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quinn
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child porn and accountability 1
#23556277 - 08/19/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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this is a thread about accountability, not really about whether child porn is good or bad (it's bad).
many people have been arrested for possession of child pornography and labelled as 'paedophiles'. do you think that is ok?
before you comment, consider that people consume all kinds of depraved shit on the internet. some people watch snuff films, films in which the actors are murdered.. should they be arrested too and their lives ruined? are they somehow responsible?
many people watch gore. many others watch rape porn.. or porn teetering on the brink of consent where often drug addicted underpriveledged people are coerced into violent and humiliating acts.. should all these voyeurs be held accountable as well?
what about watching dog racing? horse racing? violent sports?..
where do you draw the line?.. and why?
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Re: child porn and accountability [Re: quinn]
#23556304 - 08/19/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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quinn
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ditto on the other thread
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Re: child porn and accountability [Re: quinn] 1
#23556597 - 08/19/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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quinn said: this is a thread about accountability, not really about whether child porn is good or bad (it's bad).
many people have been arrested for possession of child pornography and labelled as 'paedophiles'. do you think that is ok?
before you comment, consider that people consume all kinds of depraved shit on the internet. some people watch snuff films, films in which the actors are murdered.. should they be arrested too and their lives ruined? are they somehow responsible?
many people watch gore. many others watch rape porn.. or porn teetering on the brink of consent where often drug addicted underpriveledged people are coerced into violent and humiliating acts.. should all these voyeurs be held accountable as well?
what about watching dog racing? horse racing? violent sports?..
where do you draw the line?.. and why?
The problem is far greater than child porn. There are groups using ancient knowledge unconsciously that preys on deep instincts relating to sex and fear.
They, unfortunately, have used that fear and power from it to control our world.
There shall be no accountability as long as the general public responses to ANY unreasonable fears, which is exactly what propagates the power.
Reason and law with unity are the only possible way to stop this, and the destruction of our constitution which will certainly see a massive rise in the abuse of children and all people.
Our lawful and peaceful revolution uses the existing law of the land to do this and do it RIGHT. Not a quick fix, a permanent fix. We start by using our exclusive right to define constitutional intent.
Do you agree and accept that the framers of the founding documents intended for us to alter or abolish government destructive to our unalienable rights?
Do you agree and accept that the ultimate purpose of free speech is to enable the unity adequate to effectively alter or abolish government destructive to our unalienable rights?
Do you require social approval to publicly agree with and accept those principles?
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Re: child porn and accountability [Re: quinn]
#23557546 - 08/19/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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quinn said:
where do you draw the line?.. and why?
we are not some supreme judge, and it isn't necessary to be, perhaps most folks do a good job raising their kids, because they love them, are decent, and use their intuition.
in fact in so far as possible empathy is healthier than judgementalness, and that is true for all of us. There are no laws, or rules, or police or legal system, that will protect us totally and tell us what to do in every situation. We are not robots, part of being human is to struggle, with difficult situations and decisions frequently, - that we can find life worthwhile and even fun in spite of this is a blessing.
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Re: child porn and accountability [Re: laughingdog]
#23557685 - 08/19/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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laughingdog said:
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quinn said:
where do you draw the line?.. and why?
we are not some supreme judge, and it isn't necessary to be, perhaps most folks do a good job raising their kids, because they love them, are decent, and use their intuition.
in fact in so far as possible empathy is healthier than judgementalness, and that is true for all of us. There are no laws, or rules, or police or legal system, that will protect us totally and tell us what to do in every situation. We are not robots, part of being human is to struggle, with difficult situations and decisions frequently, - that we can find life worthwhile and even fun in spite of this is a blessing.
Chucklebowow, what you write is true. However, Quinn seems to be referring to social responsibility rather than individual responsibility and potential which your post delves into.
But Quinn uses a cognitive distortion with "draw the line", but uses "we", which denotes a social responsibility. Draw the line comes down to potentials for investigation, prosecution and judgement under the principles of out republic.
Jury veto power might have a role. There are also forms of investigation that deal with the psychological or more specifically that our society is terrified of. So getting over that is mandatory. This is where we get down to justice as a real need. Just to get over that unreasoned terror, we need justice, but the ancient elements of denial have a strong hold through the church, on our systems.
-------------------- You always want what you need, but do not always need what you want. People that do not want what they need, have a problem. Can we stop doing all of the things we are doing that we do not want to do while still doing what we need to do?
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