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    #23555898 - 08/19/16 04:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Amanita hunting season has begun, for many of us!
Here is how to minimize taste and material of these funky mushrooms. :mushroom2:


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Create a simple dry extract to reduce the material to approximately 1/4. Make sure to have your mushrooms crackerdry(!) before you start:

Muscimol is both heat resistant and water soluble, so it's easy. Here's what to do:

- chop your (dry) mushrooms up and grind them well to a very fine powder
- mix with a few oz of water, add half a teaspoon of citric/foodsave acid (not necessary!) and heat it up
- full boil for 15 minutes, then simmer for 20 minutes
- take from hot plate, let the pot stay and the fruitmaterial settle to the ground for a few minutes
- carefully pour off and save the liquid leaving the mushroom material in the pot
- repeat boiling at least one more time using fresh water
- when several boils are done combine the decanted liquids
- let the jar stay for an hour or two to cool down then decant again through coffeefilters
- filter the remaining mush with a wet shirt then discard the squeezed fruit material
- reduce the liquid down to a syrup and pour into a flat baking dish to evaporate further
- put it in the oven at 110°c /230°f, it will dry within a few hours
- scrape out the dried, hard residue and grind again to a fine powder

This procedure will reduce the ammount of powder to 1/4, so it's 4 times as potent as ground mushrooms.
65grams of mushrooms (two ounces) were used in the pictues below and I and came up with 18g of powder.
The extract is good for smoking and oral ingestion. The powder might pull moisture from the air, so make sure to keep it airtight in a dark, cool and dry place!

Note: You can reduce the outcome even more by letting the jar stay for a few days.
The more spores you allow to settle down before decanting, the smaller and stronger will be the final result.




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Chocolates, to minimize taste  :cookiemonster:

You can either use the extract shown above, or simply ground mushrooms to make these chocolates.
This TEK works also with psilocybin mushrooms.
Make sure to grind your material as fine as possible before you start.

- melt chocolate (ratio 1:8) in a pot in a hot waterbath
- stir ground mushrooms in
- stir, stir, stir, .. keep stiring untill you don't see or feel any leftover powder nor any clumps in the chocolate
- pour the chocolate into silicone praline-trays or icecube trays or whatever you have
- let cool down to roomtemp, then put in the fride /freezer for 10min






Those chocolates shown above are made with extracted Amanita powder. You can eat them right as they are,
or you can redissolve a chocolate /dose in a glas of hot milk to create visionary hot chocolate. :coffee:


You guys have a nice day! :moose:

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Re: Potent Amanita powder and tasty chocolates [Re: Pandemoon]
    #23556489 - 08/19/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Wow , cool what a nice TEK -
Whats the effect like from Amanitas. Never really tried them :mushroom2:


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Re: Potent Amanita powder and tasty chocolates [Re: Pandemoon]
    #23556754 - 08/19/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I would love to try this tek!


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Re: Potent Amanita powder and tasty chocolates [Re: Pandemoon]
    #23857419 - 11/22/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Small update:

As mentioned above, the dry extract is hygroscopic.
Once dried, it will quickly start pulling moisture from the air and turn into a black, soft, tar -like substance.
It's kinda "wet & sticky", not to the fingers but it will stick to itself:




If you try to evaporate the water at roomtemp it might remain sticky and tar -like and won't dry at all.

Using heat creates more off a crystaline, dry residue that can be scraped out of the dish easily.

This tar still is as active as the dry powder shown in the first post, though.
But as it's hard to powderize sticky tar, if you want to create chocolates as shown above make sure to evaporate in hot oven to have really dry powder!

That's it for today, you all have a nice day! :coffee:

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Re: Potent Amanita powder and tasty chocolates [Re: Pandemoon]
    #24816047 - 11/30/17 06:28 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I've personally tried eating them fresh (but cooked, of course), and they're delicious to eat just like that. Just a few days back I was talking about how neat it would be to just sautee fresh cubes, give em a nice seasoning, and sterilize em like that in small jars, so you have a gourmet trip on hand. This could probably be done  with Amanita's just as well. What's your tought on this?


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Re: Potent Amanita powder and tasty chocolates [Re: LizardWizard]
    #24816186 - 11/30/17 07:48 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Cubes can be sauteed and cooked with just as normal mushrooms. They wont loose too much potency, just don't raost them too hot.
Boiling and cooking fresh mushrooms works just fine.

And yes, Amanitas can be heated and cooked with, too.

If you boil shrooms in water (cubes or amanitas), the actives will dissolve into the liquid. If you sautee them, then the actives stay inside the fruitmaterial.

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Re: Potent Amanita powder and tasty chocolates [Re: Pandemoon]
    #24816209 - 11/30/17 07:55 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I know all that :lol:

I just wanted to know if you tought the actives of amanita would survive a sterilizing cycle after being processed into a nice dish. :lol:

Should've been a bit more clear on that.


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Re: Potent Amanita powder and tasty chocolates [Re: LizardWizard]
    #24816240 - 11/30/17 08:06 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Ah okay, lol.

I don't know, never tried this myself. Sounds legit, though.

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Re: Potent Amanita powder and tasty chocolates [Re: Pandemoon]
    #24816889 - 11/30/17 01:32 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I've collected lots of large to medium aminatas.
I think their potency is med to low unless you consume over a oz.


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Re: Potent Amanita powder and tasty chocolates [Re: Cookies]
    #24818104 - 12/01/17 12:06 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Did you like the experience?

I can't imagine eating a whole oz of these. I once made a tincture with 14g dried and the result was worth like ten heavy experiences.
So with potent amanitas you need only a gram or two to reach a visionary stage.

I collenct a whole bunch of them and mix them well to get rid of potency variations.

Maybe the european ones are extra strong, but I don't think so.. I think they are all pretty much the same.
Never tried others, though, some people report to get distinctly different effects from amanitas from different countries. Placebo? Or for real? I don't know yet..

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Re: Potent Amanita powder and tasty chocolates [Re: Pandemoon]
    #24818246 - 12/01/17 03:37 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

It's not placebo. Amanitas from different countries have different effects.


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Re: Potent Amanita powder and tasty chocolates [Re: Peyote Road]
    #24818268 - 12/01/17 04:32 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Definitely. The colder the climate the Amanita grows in, the more potent it will be.

The oldest religious mushroom statues found in the Americas were NOT of the Psilocybe genus, they were Amanita's. They say that when temperatures went up back then, the Amanita was no longer prevalent enough and/or no longer potent enough to provide enough food for the soul. That's when they made the switch to Psilocybes.


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Re: Potent Amanita powder and tasty chocolates [Re: LizardWizard]
    #24818302 - 12/01/17 05:35 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Who says that? I am pretty sure there are some very potent amanitas growing today, or are you saying there was a very warm period in earths history that  is over now? Also, couldn't the amanita just grow a little closer to winter if it desired a colder climate? I mean most plants will adapt to the conditions present in their environment, rather than pop up on a set schedule.

In short, I am skeptical of that theory.


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Re: Potent Amanita powder and tasty chocolates [Re: LizardWizard]
    #24818314 - 12/01/17 05:46 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Definitely. The colder the climate the Amanita grows in, the more potent it will be.

The oldest religious mushroom statues found in the Americas were NOT of the Psilocybe genus, they were Amanita's. They say that when temperatures went up back then, the Amanita was no longer prevalent enough and/or no longer potent enough to provide enough food for the soul. That's when they made the switch to Psilocybes.



I'm pretty sure that archeology has that wrong. Just look at the mushroom effigy in my signature, it was assumed to be an amanita, but why would they make an amanita effigy that's going to oxidize and turn bluish green? This was before Psilocybe Ovoideocystidiata was described by science, having been discovered in the Ohio River Valley where this mushroom effigy was found.


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Re: Potent Amanita powder and tasty chocolates [Re: TempestDnB]
    #24818609 - 12/01/17 09:41 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Who says that? I am pretty sure there are some very potent amanitas growing today, or are you saying there was a very warm period in earths history that  is over now? Also, couldn't the amanita just grow a little closer to winter if it desired a colder climate? I mean most plants will adapt to the conditions present in their environment, rather than pop up on a set schedule.

In short, I am skeptical of that theory.





Of course there are some pretty potent Amanita's growing today, and I'm talking about a COLDER period than now, not a warmer period. Yes it would pop up closer to winter. But that means it's fruiting range has significantly shortened, leading to a significant loss of fruits, leading to the use of other mushrooms, namely psilocybes.

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Definitely. The colder the climate the Amanita grows in, the more potent it will be.

The oldest religious mushroom statues found in the Americas were NOT of the Psilocybe genus, they were Amanita's. They say that when temperatures went up back then, the Amanita was no longer prevalent enough and/or no longer potent enough to provide enough food for the soul. That's when they made the switch to Psilocybes.



I'm pretty sure that archeology has that wrong. Just look at the mushroom effigy in my signature, it was assumed to be an amanita, but why would they make an amanita effigy that's going to oxidize and turn bluish green? This was before Psilocybe Ovoideocystidiata was described by science, having been discovered in the Ohio River Valley where this mushroom effigy was found.




I'm pretty sure they don't. It's not about color, it's about general appearance, i e, flecks on the cap, bulbous stem with sack, where as psilocybes were depicted as not having flecks on the cap, but often having a ring right at the bottom of the cap, to mark the veil. What effigy btw? I don't see one... Unless it's the second pic, then it looks to be a waaay smaller example than the ones I'm speaking of, and more importantly, not so well preserved.


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Re: Potent Amanita powder and tasty chocolates [Re: LizardWizard]
    #24818718 - 12/01/17 10:35 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Different native people's probably used different entheogens depending on where they were at, but I'm almost positive that the people's of the Ohio River Valley used ovoids as theirs. Not to mention all the other peoples of the NE where Ovoids are prolific in the spring. I'd like to write the paper on it being that their isn't one.


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Re: Potent Amanita powder and tasty chocolates [Re: TempestDnB]
    #24818874 - 12/01/17 11:49 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Trying to find the article about the mushroom statues, but ran into this in the meantime.

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Realistic images of mushrooms commonly found associated with shaman like figures were often of high quality and allowed identification of some mushrooms to at least genus level. Identified were Calvatia species, Mochella species, Amanita muscaria and Psilocybe species. Some mushrooms could not be identified, because current knowledge of mushrooms of Peru and its neighbors is limited. The identified mushrooms have various characteristics: Morchella and Calvatia species have both culinary and medicinal properties. Others, like Amanita muscaria, and Psilocybe species have spiritual as well as medicinal properties rather than culinary uses. Since A.muscaria has not been confirmed growing in Peru and its traditional hosts are northern hemisphere trees one hypothesis is that the mushroom were a trade item with countries lying further north or Meso America where A.muscaria has been shown to have been deeply engrained into the religious cultures.




I believe the article I was looking for was also in relation to meso-american. On with the search.


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Re: Potent Amanita powder and tasty chocolates [Re: LizardWizard] * 1
    #24818881 - 12/01/17 11:51 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

FOUND IT!

Hidden in plain sight...

I found it a very interesting read.

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After examining thousands of ancient artifacts, a project that would have been impossible before the existence of the computer and high speed Internet, I discovered a wealth of mushroom imagery. Surprisingly, most of this mushroom imagery concerned the Amanita muscaria, or Fly Agaric mushroom, rather than the better known hallucinogenic, Psilocybin mushroom. Both varieties, however, as well as others were represented. The fact that they had not been noted earlier is explained by the way these images were so cleverly encoded into the art that they became almost invisible. Invariably the mushroom imagery was associated with ritual sacrifice in the Underworld, with jaguar transformation and period endings, and with the decapitation and resurrection of the Underworld Sun God by a pair of deities associated with the planet Venus as both the Morning Star and Evening star. Mushrooms, in fact, are so closely associated with underworld jaguar transformation, and underworld jaguar resurrection, that they must have been believed to be the vehicle through which both were accomplished. They are also so closely associated with ritual decapitation, that their ingestion may have been considered essential to the ritual of decapitation, whether in real life or symbolically in the underworld.
In fact I believe that the key to this entire belief system lies, as proposed by ethno-mycologist R. Gordon Wasson, in man's discovery of the mind-altering effects of various hallucinatory substances. The accidental ingestion of these hallucinogenic substances could very well have provided the spark that lifted the mind and imagination of these early humans above and beyond the mundane level of daily existence to contemplation of another reality.

The hallucinogenic Amanita muscaria mushroom, identified by Gordon Wasson as the God plant Soma, from the Rig Veda is, I believe, the inspiration of many religious ideas throughout the world.

The author's study would indicate that the cult of Soma, as well as other Vedic traditions, migrated to the Americas sometime around 1000 B.C. and that the Indians of the New World modeled their religion on Vedic beliefs and ritual practices.

If the identification of the Vedic god Soma, the so-called mystery plant described in the Rig Veda is in fact the Amanita muscaria mushroom, first proposed by Wasson, then there can be little doubt that the Amanita muscaria mushroom was indeed the model for the numerous small stone sculptures found in the New World known as Maya "mushroom stones."




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Re: Potent Amanita powder and tasty chocolates [Re: LizardWizard]
    #24818906 - 12/01/17 12:06 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

About the potency of Amanita Muscaria in relation to growing region, I don't think that's in the article I just posted, but it's something that I have been told a couple times, and when searching online, I encountered this:

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Many people in Northern California reported that the mushrooms in their area are either much weaker than the specimen of northern Europe and Siberia.




from https://www.salviaextract.com/blog/amanita-muscaria-fly-agaric/

Of course, that's a vendor, so I would like to see a paper discussing potency across the world.

A quick search on the boards here yielded some interesting stuff too in that regard.

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i noticed theres a drastic differnce in chemicals in amanita depending on season. The summer ones i had this year were really rough super potent and gave me horrible pain cause i over dosed, they went right thru in the form of a really smelly vomit. then i tripped far too hard



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And another interesting page about the medicinal uses of Fly Agaric


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Re: Potent Amanita powder and tasty chocolates [Re: LizardWizard]
    #24825501 - 12/04/17 12:19 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

So I found out today, after finding a specimen, that Fly Agarics can be used medicinally in Lyme for a variety of things. I just tried it today, and was blown away by the effectivity. I've been tired, fogheaded, in pain and cold, for months on end now, and today I'm experiencing my first symptom free time in months. It's absolutely amazing. I also found out you can get it in every pharmacy in Germany on prescription. My experience today was with fresh material, sliced and fried up in a pan. A small kiddy fork's worth is what I ate. Like 1/8th of a medium cap. Very pleasant, with threshold effects, yet VERY noticeable and pleasant. I have the rest drying in the opened oven now.

I don't feel like going to shit again waiting for my tincture to steep. BUT. You can parboil them to take away the poisons so they are edible in larger amounts, tossing away the water. Could I also toss the dried ones in water and extract them with hot water? Adding alcohol afterwards for preservation of course. I don't feel like fucking this up however, so I'd like it if someone points me to a flaw in this plan, if there is one...

Or do you guys also think this will work pretty well?


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Re: Potent Amanita powder and tasty chocolates [Re: LizardWizard]
    #24827100 - 12/05/17 02:15 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Oh, do you still get them at pharmacies? I read about this, but I never asked myself. They sell original mother-tinctures, right? (Urtinktur).

I found a blog covering successful lyme-treatment with amanitas, interesting read, start at 2011 and read up to 2014:
http://flyagarictincture.blogspot.de/

I posted it here a few times, but noone seem to notice. Well, I don't have lyme disease, but amanita muscaria seems to do wonders to those people in pain.

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