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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: Into The Woods]
#23558944 - 08/20/16 01:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yea drum kit. Stand to congos and shake the body.
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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23558945 - 08/20/16 01:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: The last 4 posts in this thread make 0 sense to me. Sorry lads, I tried to understand, but I don't follow!!
you stated we have it backwards?
insinuating we ought to put ourselves first....that relationship with ourself....which hinges on esteem...esteem is linked to relations with others and past experiences...
i was merely pointing out the unnecessary hierarchy you imposed...because a relationship with yourself isn't necessary to be FIRST...it's just part of the myriad of things encompassing existence....and those things don't need to be ordered do they?
edit: somethings do come before others...but i'm not on the bandwagon that says love yourself before you love another...or other words "no one can love you if you dont' love yourself" ....it's just sort of a defeating line of thought
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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23558952 - 08/20/16 01:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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it's this realization that's key
"So the thought just occurred that YOU are the single person you can never get away from. Every waking hour, there you are."
when you face that thought...
you either accept who you are...and like it with all its glorious imperfections... sulk, or be a delusional narcissist
for me this realization within myself...was a huge milestone.... allowed me to push through many fears...and become more open with people...because....I can't escape me (even when I use things..they only magnify the introspection...there is never escape from YOU)......
but you don't' really reason yourself to any of these things...you don't think yourself into a better relationship with yourself...
it all seems circumstantial and biological....
we're just observers....in this mystical realm.
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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: WhoManBeing]
#23558954 - 08/20/16 01:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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TameMe said:
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Jokeshopbeard said: The last 4 posts in this thread make 0 sense to me. Sorry lads, I tried to understand, but I don't follow!!
you stated we have it backwards?
i was merely pointing out the unnecessary hierarchy you imposed...because a relationship with yourself isn't necessary to be FIRST...it's just part of the myriad of...t
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TameMe said:
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Jokeshopbeard said: The last 4 posts in this thread make 0 sense to me. Sorry lads, I tried to understand, but I don't follow!!
you stated we have it backwards?
insinuating we ought to put ourselves first....that relationship with ourself....which hinges on esteem...esteem is linked to relations with others and past experiences...
i was merely pointing out the unnecessary hierarchy you imposed...because a relationship with yourself isn't necessary to be FIRST...it's just part of the myriad of things encompassing existence....and those things don't need to be ordered do they?
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WhoManBeing said: Here I bring you my appetizer. Oh, what a lovely entree. Mmm. Can I assist you with those dishes. I be on my way.
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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: TameMe]
#23558955 - 08/20/16 01:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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TameMe said: it's this realization that's key
"So the thought just occurred that YOU are the single person you can never get away from. Every waking hour, there you are."
when you face that thought...
you either accept who you are...and like it with all its glorious imperfections... sulk, or be a delusional narcissist
Or choose from an infinte number of others perspectives, blisters in the sun, to pin point down in cursive penmanship. Cheers
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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: WhoManBeing]
#23558963 - 08/20/16 01:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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WhoManBeing said:
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TameMe said: it's this realization that's key
"So the thought just occurred that YOU are the single person you can never get away from. Every waking hour, there you are."
when you face that thought...
you either accept who you are...and like it with all its glorious imperfections... sulk, or be a delusional narcissist
Or choose from an infinte number of others perspectives, blisters in the sun, to pin point down in cursive penmanship. Cheers
sure there are many...
but saying there are many....articulates none.
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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: TameMe]
#23558967 - 08/20/16 01:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes.
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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: WhoManBeing]
#23558973 - 08/20/16 01:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Very well. Thank you.
Sweet dreams.
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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: WhoManBeing]
#23558974 - 08/20/16 01:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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is there an insight here? or is your mental masturbation calling us out on a circle jerk?
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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: TameMe]
#23559199 - 08/20/16 05:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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To better others is to work on bettering yourself. To better yourself betters your interactions with others. Round and round we go. Chickens and eggs. As long as this is in mind does it matter which you tackle first? Only if one of those (the person within, or the people without) is out harmony with the other give indication of where to start. Starting with yourself gives a stronger foundation to stand on to help others.
I sit on the fence but lean heavily on my own side.
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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23560105 - 08/20/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: So doesn't it make sense, therefore, that the person you should forge the BEST relationship with on the planet is yourself? And yet, paradoxically, we often seem to have the WORST relationships with ourselves.
Why is everything so fucking backwards?!?!?!
here are the results: people exhibit a tie in friendship, they take your personality into themselves, and you, theirs. trust is established, and a cult of personality is formed. if you maintain a lock on egotistical bullshit, you can really start to form familial ties.
people then separate due to constraints in their separate lifestyles and they dissipate from one another due to their personalities changing...but they still then have a piece of one another. this is evolution, this is your legacy; and it's all because of you that this happens.
of course you shouldn't hold your own mistakes up as tokens of yourself, because you impart more than you can ever know, truly. the reality of things are always more pertinent and more actionable than the knowledge of what went wrong (or right) when it comes to the impasse of the dissolution of self from the world. as we grow and know more about ourselves, personally; we become more individual, but at once, we grow less attractive, and less capable of planting the seed of whom we truly are, lest you know yourself as others better than you know yourself as ego. it's identification with the ego that leads to the backwards quality of self.
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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: akira_akuma]
#23560356 - 08/20/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said:
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Jokeshopbeard said: So doesn't it make sense, therefore, that the person you should forge the BEST relationship with on the planet is yourself? And yet, paradoxically, we often seem to have the WORST relationships with ourselves.
Why is everything so fucking backwards?!?!?!
here are the results: people exhibit a tie in friendship, they take your personality into themselves, and you, theirs. trust is established, and a cult of personality is formed. if you maintain a lock on egotistical bullshit, you can really start to form familial ties.
people then separate due to constraints in their separate lifestyles and they dissipate from one another due to their personalities changing...but they still then have a piece of one another. this is evolution, this is your legacy; and it's all because of you that this happens.
of course you shouldn't hold your own mistakes up as tokens of yourself, because you impart more than you can ever know, truly. the reality of things are always more pertinent and more actionable than the knowledge of what went wrong (or right) when it comes to the impasse of the dissolution of self from the world. as we grow and know more about ourselves, personally; we become more individual, but at once, we grow less attractive, and less capable of planting the seed of whom we truly are, lest you know yourself as others better than you know yourself as ego. it's identification with the ego that leads to the backwards quality of self.
Why do you equate becoming more individual with less attractive? I think that choice in the eye of the observer. Personally I find it intriguing and attractive when I see someone stand apart from the crowd with head held high. It shows strength and determination, or stubbornness.
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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: nuentoter]
#23560383 - 08/20/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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remember i said, this is what is backward.
i embrace individuality. people when they are relying on another do not. but yet, we, as social animals, do...not i however. so i have my particular perspective. people either come to me, or i remain and abide alone; this has been my way, so hence i have my embrace of individuality set to bestow any and all whom can accept me. people though, do not, they only use people when they need them, they learn, and assimilate, when there is no more need, then you are absorbed, in effect, and thus become a part of bigger piece of the puzzle, if you will. people should embrace their individuality but strive to become more attractive, which becomes harder as things move on, but this where connections can be made that are tied to one's individual nature/self, that is to say, one's concept of self, and what's important to him or her. then at this point it becomes relevant to say that to embrace individuality on a higher level then what is most commonly performed, and past the point of restricting to commerce, or procreation, but from a purely generating standpoint of what embrace of individuality is to be made manifest, and that which is better, and more replete in itself; to do that, one has to remember that past the social nature we have a causal nature, which goes beyond that, and we should find out what that is. some say it's many a-thing, but it's not for me to say at this time. as of course, i expound to much at length as it is.
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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23561299 - 08/20/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry I didn't get that.
Your post reminds me of pointillism. The masses and groups create the tangible image, but the detail is in the solitary points.


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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#23561378 - 08/20/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's OK if one likes oneself. I don't mind myself as much as I used to. Plus, sometimes my egoic-mind which is composed of all my past experiences, gets really quiet and stops leaking into the Timeless Present.
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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23561918 - 08/21/16 01:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: I've come from having the WORST relationship myself, and am nearing having the BEST relationship with myself.
My post above was just a reflection on that fact.
So having experienced heaven and hell, you need no external ratification. Your own intelligence, ability to learn, and awareness of these processes, and ability to discriminate between them, and isolate cause and effect, along with your resource of meditation, give you an advantage most do not have.
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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23562028 - 08/21/16 02:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23562108 - 08/21/16 04:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I love myself ❤️
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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23562129 - 08/21/16 05:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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what's to remove?
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