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You can never remove yourself from you * 3
    #23555831 - 08/19/16 03:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You know how, when spending time with others, when it gets too much, you can just take yourself off for a bit? I mean we often need to right? Wouldn't you go a bit insane if you never had any time to yourself? And if you are in a situation where you're around people MOST of the time, it's LOADS better if you have a great relationship with them right?

(I'm sure you can see where I'm heading...)

So the thought just occurred that YOU are the single person you can never get away from. Every waking hour, there you are. Only in sleep or drugs can you escape..

So doesn't it make sense, therefore, that the person you should forge the BEST relationship with on the planet is yourself? And yet, paradoxically, we often seem to have the WORST relationships with ourselves.

Why is everything so fucking backwards?!?!?!


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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23555839 - 08/19/16 03:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting that I just went to post a thread on self-esteem. . .

So,

Self-esteem is all you need. All you need for self-esteem is to BE YOURSELF. BE yourself. WHO you ARE, is ALL YOU NEED:

"The privilege of a lifetime is the pleasure of being who you are." - Joseph Campbell (academic)

100% true.

"What you need you are." - John Frusciante (musician)

100% true.

You don't need to go anywhere to be you. That's the answer, even the Maharshi said, "Just be yourself" when trying to explain the truth.

Life is complex, but securing happiness IS NOT COMPLEX. We MAKE IT COMPLEX, ACCIDENTALLY.

We do not need others, to be ourselves, and we are the only one that can decide for us.

I repeat:

Happiness, wholeness -

IS SIMPLE. Easily attained, not able to be lost, since you are that . . . Yourself is happiness.

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Part of self-acceptance through being oneself is

GROWTH

into a yet greater who-you-are, higher and ever higher aspects of yourself.

Kind of like there first must be a universe,

for it to complexify.

So accept your universe - you.

So that you may complexify forever inside yourself into unrecognisable but strangely familiar "yous".

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The thing is, like you more or less say, you cannot actually escape yourself. . .

All you can do is try.

Yourself is the immovable object, because you are it. Imagine a chair trying to escape itself. It can't. . .

It's a chair. It can't be anything else.

But even this does not capture it. Because I'm talking about YOU, you actually are YOU.

What can you do? It's perfectly hidden from you, because it's right in front of you ... because you are hiding it from it from you . . .

So there's the answer - you're not getting anywhere, to find / be yourself, so just stop and arrive.


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Edited by beforethedawn (08/19/16 04:08 AM)


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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23556062 - 08/19/16 07:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Very nice, I think much of this strife comes from social pressure. When our vision of ourselves, our vision of who we want to be, and the vision of who society and culture say we should be, are all in opposition.

Individuals raised in families that watch TV, follow fashions and trends, and in general allow the general consensus to dictate importance to us, rather than creating it on our own, have a much harder time deciding who they want to be, often because what we're told to be feels unnatural.

I deal with a lot of kids on a day and see this effect everywhere. You're not cool unless you have a high end Android or iPhone. Not cool if you wear these clothes instead of those. The lists go on and on.


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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23556159 - 08/19/16 08:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

idk man.. i am kinda torn., like self is an illusion anyway and i kind of reserve the right to loath that ghost of a brain fart with every ounce of my living being..

and im such a dumbass and just impossible to live with sometimes.. :rolleyes:

also i dont want to fan those flames of self aggrandizement cos that can get ugly too..

on the other hand though, being nice to myself is the only way i seem to be able to exist in a bearable plane in everyday life, the only way i can even remotely begin to help myself.. im very slowly trying to build a better relationship with me, and reconcile myself to my own disappointments and shortcomings etc :ohwell:


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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: quinn]
    #23556199 - 08/19/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think it's all actually extremely simple.

You create yourself. That's that. Some of us however - think - we should be assholes when confronted in certain situations, certain comments about ourselves, people who are different.

We think we can turn only one way. Say only one thing. When, in actuality it doesn't matter and anything can be done in any situation because nothing matters.

I was at a inner struggle earlier this year regarding my virginity. I still have it. But I don't give a fuck. That fact does not in anyway effect me as a person. Because it really, really doesn't matter.

Opinions don't matter. How something/someone "works" doesn't matter. What you look like doesn't matter.

We look in the mirror and pride ourselves on the thought of who we, again - think - we "deserve" to be or "are", instead of realising we are in all actuality just that person staring back at us. Nothing more nothing less. The thoughts regarding that reflection are all untrue and mean absolutely nothing. Even if you are the King billionaire of Doucheland. NO ONE GIVES A SHIT. YOU WILL BE FORGOTTEN.

"Hey! Nice work! Very good! Psst. Still not important. Still just that guy in the mirror. Still just in your body!"

We tend to think our past must dictate our future. So we hold on to previous achievements and pride, or resentments and regrets.

We make ourselves believe our intellect is absolute and final. Superior or inferior. A ticket for dictation.

We - think - we are dictated by instinct. And fuck forth like petty self-pitying and self absorbed dicks.

We long to be innocent again, but don't allow ourselves to be. Because we think we loose something when we don't do what the "others" do.

We treat each other and ourselves like objects. That can be shifted at will.

Also, we can't for the love of fuck, realise that what ever mistake another person makes, is able to be made by ourselves as well. And on and on and on. We search but never find. Cause we're too fucking prideful to laugh at the insignificance of it all.

But in that insignificance, we can see and realise just how much we are capable of.

There are no rules, and deep down we in all honesty do not want to hurt or get hurt. Anything else, or any hurt caused is a symptom of some severe inner insecurity and fear. I don't mind being as honest as I can and laying down my personal flaws and sins and whatever. - because - again - It doesn't matter. 

We are some intense fucking actors - all the time - and believe with all our heart that you will forever be - that personality - forever. And cry when something shatters that illusion.

You can be - any - personality - and still remain respectful, honest, true, caring, loving, peaceful etc. etc. AND keep your name and eyes.

You are your own "god". No one can save you.

Meaning is not definable but infinite.


Edited by remake (08/19/16 09:03 AM)


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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 3
    #23556302 - 08/19/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I am reminded of this quote by Morris Berman:

Quote:

"...I knew that real success was a very different thing: it consisted in the relationship you had with yourself.  As John Ruskin once put it, "There is no wealth but life."  If you let yourself be defined from the outside, it will eventually make you sick.  Unfortunately, this is what most Americans have chosen to do."




One's relationship with oneself is more important than being rich or famous.  Those things mean nothing if one is perpetually lost.  Most people in the West, and certainly in the U.S., are quite lost in all this.


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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23556372 - 08/19/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Rich guys get more babes than homeless guys.

:themoreyouknow:


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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23557602 - 08/19/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:
You know how, when spending time with others, when it gets too much, you can just take yourself off for a bit? I mean we often need to right? Wouldn't you go a bit insane if you never had any time to yourself? And if you are in a situation where you're around people MOST of the time, it's LOADS better if you have a great relationship with them right?

(I'm sure you can see where I'm heading...)

So the thought just occurred that YOU are the single person you can never get away from. Every waking hour, there you are. Only in sleep or drugs can you escape..

So doesn't it make sense, therefore, that the person you should forge the BEST relationship with on the planet is yourself? And yet, paradoxically, we often seem to have the WORST relationships with ourselves.

Why is everything so fucking backwards?!?!?!




but you said, in the other thread, life is better now that you don't take yourself so seriously - in fact you said you enjoyed yourself.

wonder what's going on here ...

perhaps an attack by the invisible zombie demons of seriousness? or perhaps something even more nefarious? ...


wonder what's going on here ...


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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: laughingdog]
    #23557675 - 08/19/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I've come from having the WORST relationship myself, and am nearing having the BEST relationship with myself.

My post above was just a reflection on that fact.


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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23557695 - 08/19/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I challenge you to sing along with this at top volume.




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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23558421 - 08/19/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Do you feel like fear drives you?


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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23558797 - 08/19/16 11:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:
You know how, when spending time with others, when it gets too much, you can just take yourself off for a bit? I mean we often need to right? Wouldn't you go a bit insane if you never had any time to yourself? And if you are in a situation where you're around people MOST of the time, it's LOADS better if you have a great relationship with them right?

(I'm sure you can see where I'm heading...)

So the thought just occurred that YOU are the single person you can never get away from. Every waking hour, there you are. Only in sleep or drugs can you escape..

So doesn't it make sense, therefore, that the person you should forge the BEST relationship with on the planet is yourself? And yet, paradoxically, we often seem to have the WORST relationships with ourselves.

Why is everything so fucking backwards?!?!?!



I think something in my head just broke.


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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: Maximillion]
    #23558897 - 08/20/16 12:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

How so?


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23558908 - 08/20/16 12:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Jokeshopbeard said:
You know how, when spending time with others, when it gets too much, you can just take yourself off for a bit? I mean we often need to right? Wouldn't you go a bit insane if you never had any time to yourself? And if you are in a situation where you're around people MOST of the time, it's LOADS better if you have a great relationship with them right?

(I'm sure you can see where I'm heading...)
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No. I don't. You have mind in state of yes and no answers. Just waiting for the next yes and no to respond.

You looking into the mirror too much my friend. Backwards reflection.

From each given moment. A infinte possible outcomes continually at hand. Definitives, think not. Absolutes when sought. It's all wrong. Right!


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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23558909 - 08/20/16 12:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure if we should be considering a relationship with ourselves as the same as relations with other autonomous beings...


meaning...there's not forwards or backwards...

there's just these things..and these other things....

one doesn't have to precede the other necessarily...because I think they are intertwined...how you interplay with others is a projection of your esteem or how you feel about yourself.

and how you feel about yourself is related to how you interplay with others.


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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: TameMe]
    #23558919 - 08/20/16 01:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Relatioms with individual self...  OK. I eye aye.

1 and one makes three my dear friends.


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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #23558920 - 08/20/16 01:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Here I bring you my appetizer. Oh, what a lovely entree. Mmm. Can I assist you with those dishes. I be on my way.


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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #23558929 - 08/20/16 01:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The last 4 posts in this thread make 0 sense to me. Sorry lads, I tried to understand, but I don't follow!!


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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23558939 - 08/20/16 01:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

How are we a single person when seen in the eyes of those who view us.

Walking a cross walk gathers many eyes looking onto us. We appear to those all in their heads as different being crom their own perpsective.

Care to share own progressive thought?


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Edited by WhoManBeing (08/20/16 01:13 AM)


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Re: You can never remove yourself from you [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23558940 - 08/20/16 01:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I need to be less naval-gazing.

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