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Re: Solidarity among whites = racist? [Re: lines]
    #23564965 - 08/22/16 03:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Spock I live in the United States. I don't think all Blacks view Whites as being responsible for solving their problems but a lot of Black people expect Whites to do a lot for them. Like in Zimbabwe the Blacks kicked all the White farmers out and now they expect Whites to send food to them, and while Whites send food to them they complain about the Whites. Same in Haiti. The Blacks exterminated the Whites in Haiti and now they want White foreigners to feed them by foreign aid.




Isn't US racial history complicated enough without shifting across the globe? I think you would be surprised at how folks outside the US often lack a clear division between black and white. For that matter the scientific community hasn't produced any evidence since the Holocaust signifying skin color has anything to do with morality or behavior. Variation between individuals  of one color far outstrips variation between the two colored groups.

And obviously, racial based violence is awful and I'll have to look up the incidents you mention, but don't fool yourself into believing the Europeans are absolved of their own crimes and everything is hunky dory. There are very good reasons why Africa and Latin America and Asia are still developing.  There are factors still in place today that give an avg white American, advantages over an avg black American. There are people still around who had family members lynched by a white mob, or others discriminated against in housing,  or lending,  or employment,  and the list goes on.

I know nothing of your personal situation,  but if whites were discriminated against so bad,  why are all the politicians white,  why are the rich people white,  why do middle class white students get all the scholarship money for school, why are all the people on tv and in movies white?  There are many black athletes,  but how many black team owners and coaches are there?


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Re: Solidarity among whites = racist? [Re: Crumist]
    #23565106 - 08/22/16 05:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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And obviously, racial based violence is awful and I'll have to look up the incidents you mention, but don't fool yourself into believing the Europeans are absolved of their own crimes and everything is hunky dory. There are very good reasons why Africa and Latin America and Asia are still developing.  There are factors still in place today that give an avg white American, advantages over an avg black American. There are people still around who had family members lynched by a white mob, or others discriminated against in housing,  or lending,  or employment,  and the list goes on.





Ah yes, the usual liberal-American inter-generational-guilt-trip-nonsense with the tired cliche-BLM style bollocks of "ol'YT gotta pay dem reparashuns muthafuKKKa."

Got news for the PeeCee, you'll get none of my hard earned and I'm sure any self-respecting, hard-working individual, would feel the same. You get what you work for and nothing more.

Blacks too often fail because they're indolent, refuse to take self-responsibility and end up in jail because they've followed the route to violent criminality. They often father children they care nothing for and the cycle repeats from truancy to prison. Education has no value to them and instead they're into the nihilist black American culture with its hip-hop gang-banging lifestyle. 

It's really simple. Do well at school, then do well at uni or in a trade, then do well at your job, pay off debts, save, invest and let time compound grow and you will do fine. It's slow, it's hard work, it's the long game, but that's life. Be accountable for what you do.


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Re: Solidarity among whites = racist? [Re: Starter]
    #23565201 - 08/22/16 07:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Have you lived in the states or are you a life long Australian? Ill admit i know diddley-squat about race in Australia.

I wasn't talking about reparations either. I'm talking about obstacles a black lawyer or doctor has to put up with, that an Appalachin bum doesn't (not that they have easy lives by any stretch of the imagination).

You make plenty of assumptions about what's wrong with "the Blacks" yet neither of us have actually been in that situation. If you know all these things are true of black people I don't see any convincing you. Just know that outside of extreme right groups (the sole vocal proponents of white pride today afaik) your worldview is dying out.

Also, there is plenty of German, and irish, and polish, and Italian, and Scottish festivals in any US city. Black Americans are stuck with "black" cause of the whole slavery thing.

@Spock, I wouldn't be a proper American intergenerational guilt trip libtard without checking that you approved of my use of "black" :laugh:


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Re: Solidarity among whites = racist? [Re: Crumist]
    #23565284 - 08/22/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Spock I live in the United States. I don't think all Blacks view Whites as being responsible for solving their problems but a lot of Black people expect Whites to do a lot for them. Like in Zimbabwe the Blacks kicked all the White farmers out and now they expect Whites to send food to them, and while Whites send food to them they complain about the Whites. Same in Haiti. The Blacks exterminated the Whites in Haiti and now they want White foreigners to feed them by foreign aid.




Isn't US racial history complicated enough without shifting across the globe? I think you would be surprised at how folks outside the US often lack a clear division between black and white. For that matter the scientific community hasn't produced any evidence since the Holocaust signifying skin color has anything to do with morality or behavior. Variation between individuals  of one color far outstrips variation between the two colored groups.

And obviously, racial based violence is awful and I'll have to look up the incidents you mention, but don't fool yourself into believing the Europeans are absolved of their own crimes and everything is hunky dory. There are very good reasons why Africa and Latin America and Asia are still developing.  There are factors still in place today that give an avg white American, advantages over an avg black American. There are people still around who had family members lynched by a white mob, or others discriminated against in housing,  or lending,  or employment,  and the list goes on.

I know nothing of your personal situation,  but if whites were discriminated against so bad,  why are all the politicians white,  why are the rich people white,  why do middle class white students get all the scholarship money for school, why are all the people on tv and in movies white?  There are many black athletes,  but how many black team owners and coaches are there?




So if we were to follow your line of reasoning, any difference between demographics is based on discrimination, do you have any evidence to back this up?  Or is this just speculation?

Do you really think equal outcomes is possible when everyone is different? 

Maybe there's more white politicians because the US population is 70% white!!


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Re: Solidarity among whites = racist? [Re: Crumist]
    #23565288 - 08/22/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Have you lived in the states or are you a life long Australian? Ill admit i know diddley-squat about race in Australia.

I wasn't talking about reparations either. I'm talking about obstacles a black lawyer or doctor has to put up with, that an Appalachin bum doesn't (not that they have easy lives by any stretch of the imagination).

You make plenty of assumptions about what's wrong with "the Blacks" yet neither of us have actually been in that situation. If you know all these things are true of black people I don't see any convincing you. Just know that outside of extreme right groups (the sole vocal proponents of white pride today afaik) your worldview is dying out.

Also, there is plenty of German, and irish, and polish, and Italian, and Scottish festivals in any US city. Black Americans are stuck with "black" cause of the whole slavery thing.





"Black Americans are stuck with "black" cause of the whole slavery thing."

:huxleyfacepalm:  Yeah, African Americans are stuck with black. :flowstone:


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Re: Solidarity among whites = racist? [Re: qman]
    #23565387 - 08/22/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If you take a look at a map (best a historical map during the slave trade) you'll notice that Africa is not a country but a continent with languages, cultures, and beliefs. By a number of measures, these pre-colonial kingdoms were far advanced beyond the various European kingdoms just shaking off the middle ages. What Europeans did have, however was weaponized gunpowder and a fervent belief they are destined to rule the world.

So the black analogue, as I understand, to  "im 2/3 irish 1/6 welsh and Russian (probably not btw, without contraception) let's polka" some Americans are obsessed about is replaced by Kwanza or Creole. Descendants of slaves have been denied their roots, so to speak. They're ancestry has been subhuman treatment as slaves, then as share croppers, segregated, then now as second class citizens, still segregated. No, you aren't personally responsible for lynching Emmett Till, but  can't you see your assumption that a kid raised by a single mother in the ghetto had the same opportunities as you did. The law applies differently to black people, black children often grow up malnourished and they experience violence like you may never. And then of course there remain people who would sooner strike a black man than shake his hand.

And do you know what the funny thing is. This whole white/black dichotomy was demonstrably manufactured to prevent the working and middle class obsessed about skin color and not the bankers gambling with their money or the factory bosses killing off organization. Even today, Americans are worried about getting replaced by yellow or brown people and therefore they dance for their employers.

I'm just as guilty at generalization as you are. The majority of black families aren't in poverty, live in the suburbs, are well educated etc.


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Re: Solidarity among whites = racist? [Re: Crumist]
    #23565423 - 08/22/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Societal pressures that make you feel you cannot or should not find love in someone because of the color of your skin. That is some strong stuff right there. How about you stand up for what YOU believe. Fuck society their not living your life or raising your kids, you are, and to give in to social and cultural pressures on such a meaningful part of one's life seems to be extremely weak in will.

Why compromise yourself or your beliefs for the comfort(not need) of others, whom would probably not yield to your whims with the same regard for sensitivity.


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Re: Solidarity among whites = racist? [Re: Crumist]
    #23565487 - 08/22/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If you take a look at a map (best a historical map during the slave trade) you'll notice that Africa is not a country but a continent with languages, cultures, and beliefs. By a number of measures, these pre-colonial kingdoms were far advanced beyond the various European kingdoms just shaking off the middle ages. What Europeans did have, however was weaponized gunpowder and a fervent belief they are destined to rule the world.

So the black analogue, as I understand, to  "im 2/3 irish 1/6 welsh and Russian (probably not btw, without contraception) let's polka" some Americans are obsessed about is replaced by Kwanza or Creole. Descendants of slaves have been denied their roots, so to speak. They're ancestry has been subhuman treatment as slaves, then as share croppers, segregated, then now as second class citizens, still segregated. No, you aren't personally responsible for lynching Emmett Till, but  can't you see your assumption that a kid raised by a single mother in the ghetto had the same opportunities as you did. The law applies differently to black people, black children often grow up malnourished and they experience violence like you may never. And then of course there remain people who would sooner strike a black man than shake his hand.

And do you know what the funny thing is. This whole white/black dichotomy was demonstrably manufactured to prevent the working and middle class obsessed about skin color and not the bankers gambling with their money or the factory bosses killing off organization. Even today, Americans are worried about getting replaced by yellow or brown people and therefore they dance for their employers.

I'm just as guilty at generalization as you are. The majority of black families aren't in poverty, live in the suburbs, are well educated etc.




"I'm just as guilty at generalization as you are"

You got the first part correct, I just asked questions and never made generalizations.


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Re: Solidarity among whites = racist? [Re: Starter] * 1
    #23566328 - 08/22/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Spock I live in the United States. I don't think all Blacks view Whites as being responsible for solving their problems but a lot of Black people expect Whites to do a lot for them. Like in Zimbabwe the Blacks kicked all the White farmers out and now they expect Whites to send food to them, and while Whites send food to them they complain about the Whites. Same in Haiti. The Blacks exterminated the Whites in Haiti and now they want White foreigners to feed them by foreign aid.




Isn't US racial history complicated enough without shifting across the globe? I think you would be surprised at how folks outside the US often lack a clear division between black and white. For that matter the scientific community hasn't produced any evidence since the Holocaust signifying skin color has anything to do with morality or behavior. Variation between individuals  of one color far outstrips variation between the two colored groups.

And obviously, racial based violence is awful and I'll have to look up the incidents you mention, but don't fool yourself into believing the Europeans are absolved of their own crimes and everything is hunky dory. There are very good reasons why Africa and Latin America and Asia are still developing.  There are factors still in place today that give an avg white American, advantages over an avg black American. There are people still around who had family members lynched by a white mob, or others discriminated against in housing,  or lending,  or employment,  and the list goes on.

I know nothing of your personal situation,  but if whites were discriminated against so bad,  why are all the politicians white,  why are the rich people white,  why do middle class white students get all the scholarship money for school, why are all the people on tv and in movies white?  There are many black athletes,  but how many black team owners and coaches are there?




I don't know what you mean about absolving Whites of something. Are you saying Whites as a racial group need to be punished for something?

I clearly stated in my earlier posts I dislike the medical and policing system developed by Whites. I also find the psychiatric system developed by Europeans to be inhuman. I have no problem criticizing European culture.

I am not proWhite but I oppose antiWhite racism. I personally am not into White pride but I defend White peoples right to have White pride in a society where it is acceptable to openly speak against White people in the schools and on the media and in public.

We have classes on White privilege and White fragility, this is discriminatory and it is psychological war against White people. These are university subjects. The Holocaust was caused by Nazis teaching people about Jewish privilege. The idea Jews were subhuman were used in some propaganda but much of the antiJewish propaganda was based on teaching Jews were a privileged group of people.

The extermination of aristocratic clans by Marxists was caused by complaining about their privilege.

There is no classes teaching students about Black fragility. There are no classes teaching students about the relatively high levels of chaos in The Black Community. I don't want this to be a White verses Black issue but people in this thread gradually brought it here.

But if Whites were dominant in society why would they be teaching at our schools that Whites are dominant? The dominant ethnic group would not teach it is dominant. If society serves White people why is the society bringing in masses of third worlders to replace White people?

Like I said I don't even like White people but the lies people are saying are just disgusting.

People are speaking aganst Whites. This is genocidal behavior. The spoken word is what incited the Hutu to destroy The Tutsi in the Rwandan genocide. It was incited by the spoken word on Hutu power radio.

Stop acting like words mean nothing.

There are hundreds and hundreds of White people who have lost their lives on a weekly basis and the national media does not report on it because it is crimes committed by Blacks and the liberal media does not want to report on it. I have nothing against Black people and I don't want to make this a White and Black issue. But there are things going on in our society that are not right.

I don't give a fig about race. I don't care if Whites interracially marry or not. I don't care what Blacks do. But don't try to gaslight me and try to make me believe there is nothing going on when it is clear what is going on.

White children are being made by educators to denounce their race and denounce their ancestors while crimes against Whites are hidden by the antiWhite national media because there is a deliberate agenda to turn Whites into a minority and hand over Western nations to third world immigrants and they seek to do this by guilt tripping the Whites.

I don't need to live in a White society. I respect the fact the black community has a place in our society. I support Black lives matter. I oppose police misconduct. I don't like the police. But just don't friggin lie to me and tell me some BS. I know what white liberals are. They are a manifestation of weakness that seeks to destroy their own kind. That being said I am on nobodies side. I am neutral on the race issue. I have criticisms of all races including my own. Just don't lie to me.


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Re: Solidarity among whites = racist? [Re: lines]
    #23566377 - 08/22/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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don't fool yourself into believing the Europeans are absolved of their own crimes and everything is hunky dory. There are very good reasons why Africa and Latin America and Asia are still developing.  There are factors still in place today that give an avg white American, advantages over an avg black American.





I mean you tell me Whites are responsible for other groups not having as much stuff... What do you want me to do? I have to work and make money and eat. I'm just trying to make it in the world and then I see people who are acting like because I'm White I am supposed to be responsible for non-White people. This is ridiculous. This is ridiculous.

And someone earlier was mocking me for saying Whites are viewed as parents by NonWhites! Whites clearly are seen as parents. But I refuse to buy into this parental White mans burden thing. You can take that burden because I don't want it.


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Re: Solidarity among whites = racist? [Re: lines]
    #23566383 - 08/22/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

"And do you know what the funny thing is. This whole white/black dichotomy was demonstrably manufactured to prevent the working and middle class obsessed about skin color and not the bankers gambling with their money or the factory bosses killing off organization. Even today, Americans are worried about getting replaced by yellow or brown people and therefore they dance for their employers. "

And finally progress is being made towards these issues and awareness is spreading


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Re: Solidarity among whites = racist? [Re: Maroon]
    #23566489 - 08/22/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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"And do you know what the funny thing is. This whole white/black dichotomy was demonstrably manufactured to prevent the working and middle class obsessed about skin color and not the bankers gambling with their money or the factory bosses killing off organization. Even today, Americans are worried about getting replaced by yellow or brown people and therefore they dance for their employers. "

And finally progress is being made towards these issues and awareness is spreading



I agree with most of  this myself.....and like to add that blacks where fighting fo there civil right over segregationin the 60s..with there leaders assassination and the herion crack booms with in the next 15 years alone they were seriously being sabotaged by cia.and they were effective at holding them down.....focusing on on the white populous as of the last 25 five years these lines once established have been seriously blurrd...ironically it kinda hard for them to blame the man when the man is black...


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Re: Solidarity among whites = racist? [Re: Crumist] * 1
    #23568141 - 08/23/16 04:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You make plenty of assumptions about what's wrong with "the Blacks" yet neither of us have actually been in that situation. If you know all these things are true of black people I don't see any convincing you. Just know that outside of extreme right groups (the sole vocal proponents of white pride today afaik) your worldview is dying out.




The statistics prove American blacks do far more crime than their proportion of population. This channel lays it all out.



They'll even shoot whites for fun, such as this recent murder of an Australian man by three black thugs.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-18/chancey-luna-found-guilty-of-murdering-baseballer-chris-lane/6402738

It was hurricane Katrina that opened my eyes up to the US black problem i.e. a group of white Australians in the Superdome held their line and ensured the white women in their care were not dragged off by blacks to be gang raped. Your relativist nonsense justifying black criminality by claiming racial injustice and slavery is simply bullshit. They're violent scumbags and they should be jailed.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/superdome-a-hellhole-aussies-tell/2005/09/03/1125302782219.html


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    #23575551 - 08/25/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Not long after Europeans started arriving on the east coast of North America and the Caribbean Islands they found themselves rich in land but desperate for labor to work the land. The answer they struck upon was importation of bond labor, initially mostly Irish. The Irish had not been considered fully human under English law for centuries, and they ended up in plantations and working sugar under the Caribbean sun. The easy part of importing Irish (and Scottish) slave labor was that they were right next to England. The downside is there wasn’t enough of them for the amazing amounts of land laid before the eager English settlers, and thus the Atlantic slave trade with Africa was born. This is the story we hear in school, but the abridged version we get, intentionally or not, hides the scam of it. Initially the bond terms of convict, Scotch-Irish, and African labor was a set period of time, at the end of which they received bond money and their freedom in this new land. In fact, not that many bondsmen and women lived to be free, but some did, and established themselves as a mixed-race, free peasantry of the new world. If you’ve ever wondered where the free blacks of so many stories of early America came from, a large number were the families of freed African bond laborers.

The white cry, from the 17th century, to George Wallace, and still alive in the present day.
As time went on, the labor needs of the land holders continued to grow, and desperate to cultivate the land, they were loathe to let go of their bond servants and the bondsmen and bondswomen’s children (whom they kept in bondage for a legally defined time as well). In the mean time, a growing American peasantry was proving as difficult to govern as the European peasantry back home, periodically rising up in riot and rebellion, light skinned and dark skinned together. The political leaders of the Virginia colony struck upon an answer to all these problems, an answer which plagues us to this day.
The Virginians legislated a new class of people into existence: the whites. They gave the whites certain rights, and took other rights from blacks. White, as a language of race, appears in Virginia around the 1680s, and seems to first appear in Virginia law in 1691. And thus whiteness, and to a degree as well blackness, was born in the mind of America.
As of the 18th century whites could not be permanently enslaved as they sometimes had been before, and black slaves could never work their way to freedom. The whites were told this was because God had made the blacks inferior to the whites, just as the whites were inferior to the superior classes that owned property. It’s worthwhile to remember that they didn’t give whites political rights, they didn’t give whites the vote — that would not happen then nor at the revolution and independence. Whites didn’t get the vote until the presidency of Andrew Jackson. Property owners, both of land and slaves, were the only ones who could vote. That included black land and slave owners until various states passed laws in the early 18th century to take their franchise away.

This Reconstruction era election poster is free of any content that is not inarticulate blind fear of black people.
This plan worked gorgeously. It broke all efforts of the majority of people, African or European, to fight for civil and political rights in America against a landed class that ruled everything. It reduced a portion of the people to the status of the negro slave, and gave the poor but now white people a precious and entitled inch to stand above the permanently enslaved on the social ladder.



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The story begins before the first Africans were imported as plantation labor in 1619. The Virginia colony was at first unable to cope with the land and its unfamiliar ecology, which it proclaimed for itself to be wilderness, and faced rampant starvation. Many English sought to escape to live with the surrounding indigenous society (a number of different Algonquin peoples) who understood the land and suffered no hardships there. [13] For the Virginia colony's elite, however, escape threatened the social fabric. Under the first governor (Thomas Smith), it was considered desertion, and punished severely. Recaptured escapees were publicly tortured, often to death. (PH,24) This imposition of an absolute allegiance to English origins, to Christian membership against the so-called "heathen," was the primary response to internal crisis. It rationalized itself through a demonization of the Algonquin, whose nature, personality and intention were re-narrativized as hypocritical and war-like, even in their most banal acts of friendship.[14] Accompanying this demonization were prohibitions of intermarriage with the indigenous. That is, the demand for allegiance was structured through both a pre-narrativization of the "other's" personality or character and an enforced social separation.
The cultivation of tobacco rapidly became the main export commodity for the colony. Tobacco was a drug whose English market was assured, making it a ready and profitable cash crop. As a mass-produced commodity, tobacco not only became the colony's chief source of wealth, but it also served as currency for commodity exchange, wages, and the calculation of human value. Like the Spanish, the English colonized North America for profit. The colonial function was not alternative social community, but the development of productive processes. The English did so along a different axis of brutality, however. Rather than military conquest and occupation, the colony was established as a corporate entity (the Virginia Company), for which the English were employees. Even after the Virginia Company dissolved in 1624, its style of rule was sustained by the Colonial Council, which exercised controls on production, land use, and disposition of labor.
From the beginning, the Company and the colony brought together the paradigms of membership, re-narrativization, exclusion of the indigenous through restrictions on interaction, and an institutionalization of human activity. It was a structure into which the content of racialization could later be fit. As Pierre Bourdieu says, "the function of the act of institution ("which signifies to someone what his identity is") [is] to discourage permanently any attempt to cross the line, to transgress, desert, or quit."[15]
The problem of tobacco cultivation was labor. The Algonquin mostly refused servitude and escaped. At first, English labor was used; white indentured servants accounted for half the arrivals to the colony in 1619,[16] and constituted the main mode of plantation labor until 1650. English indenturees, however, whether volunteer, prison labor, or kidnap victims from the streets of English cities, came with written contracts establishing length of service, a release date, and sometimes a grant of land upon release. But the term of servitude was long, and many English indenturees escaped, blending into the colonial society developing broadly around them.
Escape was more difficult for imported Africans, who did not blend in. However, few were imported before 1650, at which time there were 300. Though originally no legal distinction was made between African and English servants, (IS,38) the Africans were not put under written contract. Without a contract, an African's time of servitude was left to the whim of the landowner. Though some were released after serving a period comparable to European laborers, more and more had their time extended, some indefinitely. This practice reflected the gradual consolidation of local markets in Africans. As extensions of their arrival as cargo, these markets further commodified the Africans, transforming them gradually from laborers into wealth, that is, as livestock. This process first reflected itself juridically in the 1640s in the form of differential punishments for runaways; Africans were sentenced to servitude for life, while runaway English were only given extended time.
Politically, the question of African status (as slave or indentured, wealth or labor) remained a contested notion until 1662, when perpetual servitude was legislated. Before then, different landowners adopted different stances. The Virginia government groped toward codification of landholder practice, and control of plantation labor, to regulate and protect landed wealth. No steps were taken to provide Africans with the right to a contract; but until 1662, those Africans that were freed were given recognition equal to the English. No steps were taken to provide education for African children, though it was guaranteed to English children. But education was not prohibited to Africans, and those that did go to school attended integrated schools. (IS,24) In many cases, English indenturees made common cause with Africans in escaping. To the extent that distinctions were made on either a social or juridical level, they were not yet racialized. And slavery was not yet the general rule. What came to be known as slavery was only in partial practice by 1640, generally recognized as a social practice throughout the colony by 1660, and finally codified into law in 1682 and 1705.[17]
1662 marks a turning point with the passage of the first anti-miscegenation law ("miscegenation" is a problematic term here because it generally refers to mixed-race marriage, but is being used to refer to a time before the English, indigenous, or Africans had been racialized). Mixed marriage had been previously punished on religious grounds. Around 1640, the ability of servant labor to marry was codified as part of a more general attempt to control the work force. Marriages between English and African servant labor were given special legislated conditions, with prohibitions and punishments, whose tenor was to reduce both partners to greater servitude. But in 1662, various statutes dealt with miscegenation as such. Strict fines were levied simply for sexual relations between "Negroes" and "Christians", and mixed marriage was prohibited. The fact of such enactment suggests that mixed marriage had become too prevalent for the colonial elite, and that anti-African feeling was far from the rule among the laboring population.[18]
At the same time, in a bizarre statute, children were given the servitude status of the mother rather than the father. Again, the Colonial Council was juridically protecting the planter's economic interests. Through this unusual reversal of patriarchal tradition, a social distinction was created between English women and African women with respect to personal relations, marriages, and motherhood (regardless of the father). African mothers were placed in the position of breeding stock, while English women were placed in a situation in which the elite could more widely reserve the patriarchal right to control their sexuality, in light of the concomitant provision of perpetual servitude for Africans and their descendants. Women and womanly being were thus deployed to conceptualize a new level of English-African distinction in general. It was the first step in a process that would eventually transform a juridical distinction into a biological one.
But the fact that the elite adopted these juridical tactics at that time confirm that plantation slavery was not established full-blown at one stroke in Virginia. Rather, it underwent gradual construction and definition at the hands of the economic pragmatics of a corporate profit-oriented plantation society which did not begin with "race" as its foundation. "Negro slavery" as a term first appeared in the statutes in the 1660s; it marked a moment in a journey toward "racial" hierarchy, rather than being grounded on it.
The stages of racialization can be traced in the successive binaries by which the English distinguished themselves from Africans. The first distinction (as read in the Council proceedings) was a religious one, between "heathens" and "Christians," conjoined to the English distantiation of the indigenous. However, to characterize Africans in such religious terms implied that, for African labor, baptism would be a step toward eventual freedom. When this possibility threatened the planters' wealth, that avenue was closed by statute (in 1644 and 1667). (IS,45) After 1650, as the African population grew, and more converted to Christianity, the predominant binary shifted to that between "Negro" and "English," or alternately, "Negro" and "Christian." Both signified a more reified separation and denial of membership in the colony for Africans. After 1667, the term "Christian", when used in distinction to "Negro," increasingly connoted "non-Negro." That is, it occurs in those rhetorical roles that later would be filled by the word "white."
But the English were not generally referred to as whites, and biological characteristics did not yet enter the discussion. Color was used descriptively. In letters and literary texts of the preceding 100 years, there were individual Europeans who sometimes referred to themselves or others as white. But the use of the term "white" only became institutional, perhaps conceptually based on such literary sources, but marking a social designation, at the end of the 17th century. In the sense that race must be understood relationally, the term "black" or "Negro" (as the anglicized Spanish word for black) would itself become a racializing term only when it was used to racialize the English as white. The first juridical reference to "white" people only occurs in 1691, in an anti-miscegenation statute, 85 years after the founding of the colony. (SL,III:86) In other words, only gradually, over the course of a century, did the English coalesce around the notion of being "white." The legislation of gender was the machinery of that social coalescence for which the African was the marker, labor the terrain, and biologization the effect.
Some historians (e.g. Ballagh) argue that racialization directly substituted itself for the religious differential; but that view ignores, first, the conceptual evolution racialization required; second, the role of commodification and its juridical regulation; and third, the legislation of sexuality. That is, it is only out of the complex evolution and political regulation of labor, ownership, colony membership, markets, and sexuality within a profit-oriented corporate structure, which imposed on Africans what successively became commodity status, non- citizenship, and slavery, that the concept of race evolved. On the one hand, slavery evolved as socially racialized through the juridical regulation of property relations, which gradually codified contested attitudes within the landowning elite. And on the other, color and sexuality became socially re-narrativized through legislation that color coded labor and regulated sexuality. Both occurred within the commercial and social relations between English men, as extensions of a market structure in which Africans were re-narrativized as commodities or wealth.
If the deployment of women in this process was grounded in the general commodification of Africans, its effects went beyond that. To the female role of producing succeeding generations was added the female potential for producing further wealth. Under the partial abandonment of patriarchal tradition, all women found themselves juridically and socially placed somewhere on a spectrum between being the machinery of descendant heirs and breeding stock. English women were given the ability to aspire to a certain purity of being through a purity of social and sexual comportment. It was a purity originally determined and conceptualized by juridical enactments. And through the economization of women, it constituted part of the way women, as juridical objects, marked the interweaving of the biological into the socio-economic separation between English and Africans. The modern concept of race, on this account, marks the culmination of this complex historical process which slowly transformed the socio-economic differential between English and Negro into the racialized differential between white and black.
Bacon's rebellion in 1676 marked a critical moment in this process.[19] The rebellion erupted from a geopolitical class contradiction in the agricultural structure of the colony. The main avenue to wealth, the acquisition of more land, was curtailed by Crown restrictions on land-claims beyond the colony's boundary. Newly arrived farmers or newly freed English indenturees were granted westerly or peripheral land by the colony's governing elite to serve as a buffer between the colony's center and the Algonquin. That is, they were marginalized both politically, agriculturally, and territorially. Nathaniel Bacon, himself a large landholder, organized the outlying farmers to war against the Algonquin (that is, open new lands through military adventure), and at the same time turned them against the colonial elite for insufficiently defending the farmers against Algonquin counter-attacks. His campaign had three components: 1) a struggle of (outlying) county farmers against the central elite for greater county representation; 2) a struggle of small county farmers against the county elites for greater representation; and 3) a chauvinist campaign against the indigenous as the real enemy. Bacon's rebellion reveals all the characteristics of subsequent populisms, such as Tom Watson's People's Party of the 1890s, or the anti-Chinese movement on the Pacific coast in the 19th century; that is, a conjunction of democratic pretensions (a rhetorical class struggle against the rich) with an extremely chauvinist but opportunistically machinated campaign against a non-white group (the Algonquin, in Bacon's case).
When Bacon's movement was defeated, many Africans were found in his ranks. Not only was such common cause significant, but these Africans were under arms, and welcomed as such by the English rebels, despite long-standing colonial prohibitions against this (since 1648). (SI,39) It testified to the contested nature of social attitudes toward African status, and suggests that animosity toward the Africans was partially class-based, and top down, having social importance mainly for the elite (i.e. it did not pre-date the colony, as in Winthrop Jordan's account).
According to Zinn, the rebellion convinced the colonial elite to take measures foreclosing concerted action against itself. Laws against the special danger of "Negro insurrection" appear in the slave codes of 1682, (SL,II:492) in language that echoes John Smith's diatribes against the Algonquin. Further acts were passed strengthening policies of anti-miscegenation and differential punishments. Still, the construction of social hostilities was not an easy task. The process of general social division took until 1705 to consolidate. Even the House of Burgesses, in 1680, referring to remnants of Bacon's army that still roamed at large in the woods, and to whom the pardon offered rebels who would return and surrender was to be extended, speaks of the holdouts only as "people," without differentiating between "English" and "Negro," though there must have been both since slaves were the most hesitant to return.
Ultimately, the juridical by itself was insufficient for the process of racialization. Two other factors bear mention in this respect. The first is that certain economic changes occurred in the 1680s. During that decade, the supply of African slaves increased, due to greater traffic and an easing of competition from Caribbean sugar plantations. In addition, the price of tobacco rose on the English market, rendering small Virginia farmers more viable. Overall, after 1650, the importation of European indentured servants diminished, and the weight of the labor force shifted from white to black. While white labor moved into farming, the center of gravity of labor rebellion shifted from labor in general to slave labor in particular. The effect was a general reconstruction of the labor system of the colony as a whole. The elite ideological warning, in 1682, against "Negro rebellion" not only re-conceptualized the labor situation, but constituted a call to social solidarity against this internal "outside" danger. In general, it marked a shift in English self- conception through a transformed economic stratification from a corporate structure to a culture of solidarity, from allegiance to England to cohesion against a threat of slave rebellion, albeit a threat produced by the slave system itself.
The second factor was a social reflection of the juridical. When indentured servants were said to be sold, it was because their contracts were sold, and they accompanied the purchased contracts. But Africans were not held under written contract. [20] The body itself marked the African's servitude, and substituted itself for the juridical instrument, signifying both the labor contract and its absence. The bodily sign for the contract's absence was codified to mean permanent servitude; as such, it then marked the African slave, without title or "papers," as essentially outside or beyond the law. Beyond legislative enactment, the absence of juridical standing rendered the African's color iconic for social otherness and exclusion. That is, a mode of de facto and de jure criminalization resided at the very core and origin of racialization.
The capstone to these transformations was conscription of poor white farmers and laboreres to the task of enforcing the slave codes. Their job was to be shock troops, patrols and commandos under elite direction, guarding against runaways and suppressing any appearance of personal autonomy by slaves. Negligence in this duty was punishable. In the context of their disfranchisement, this limited citizen franchise was given to represent the poor white's share in colonial socio-politics -- policing rather than making policy. Elite control was exercised through granting the power to control within the newly consolidated slave relation (like a comprador bourgeoisie in 20th century Latin America). And planter solidarity took the form of white solidarity. In this way, economic competition between white agricultural strata was prevented from becoming a class distinction by engendering a system in which the fundamental class antagonism was between planters and slaves



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