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esse_jeremy
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[BULK] A little recipe adivce
#23555479 - 08/18/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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So I got 4 jars of WBS full colonized and the total ammount of the spawn is 1.8L
As I want spawn that 1.8L to a bulk substrate (only coir and coffè grinds) I'd like to know how many Liters of coir, and coffè I should use.
I mean, I've read lots of recipes that use 1 brick of coir (9 liters) and 4 of water.....but for 5 L spaw
I got only 1.8 spawn and I don't know how to prepare my bulk....I'd like to use a 1:2 ratio or 1:3 I don't know if 1 is the spawn and 3 the coir or 1 is the spawn and 3 the coir+water (it can make the different)
so scared to fail now!!!!
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Re: [BULK] A little recipe adivce [Re: esse_jeremy]
#23559613 - 08/20/16 10:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Okay - So assuming you are growing cubensis and growing in a monotub Mix in a coco brick and about a 5L bag of vermiculite. Make sure you sterilise these in the PC. It should take a good week or two to fully colonise depending on your temperature. You will know because the tops will go all fluffy and pins should form. Here is a tek:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595
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Re: [BULK] A little recipe adivce [Re: AgarStudent]
#23559838 - 08/20/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Be careful with coffee even pasteurizing it I had problems only way I had 100% success imo was pc'ing it
Tell me your measurement of your 1.8 spawn and monotub dimensions I'll tell you exactly what you need... i love basic math
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Re: [BULK] A little recipe adivce [Re: AgarStudent]
#23559913 - 08/20/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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AgarStudent said: Okay - So assuming you are growing cubensis and growing in a monotub Mix in a coco brick and about a 5L bag of vermiculite. Make sure you sterilise these in the PC. It should take a good week or two to fully colonise depending on your temperature. You will know because the tops will go all fluffy and pins should form. Here is a tek:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595
Never sterilize bulk substrates, always pasteurize. The tek from the provided link is not great. I'm not saying it can't work, but your success will probably be low at best, as it does not follow proper pasteurization procedure, especially if coffee is to be involved. Since it would appear you are new to the hobby, maybe take a pass on the bulk substrate this time. Ideally you want all of this kind of stuff figured out BEFORE your jars are fully colonized. They do not wait around for you to get shit figured out. Given the situation, a better option may be to whip up some casing material, crumble your colonized WBS up into a tray, and case it. There is an ocean of info on bulk substrates and casing grains. If you need help getting pointed in the right direction, just ask. Goood luck sir!
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Dactylium
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Re: [BULK] A little recipe adivce [Re: WeavieWonder]
#23560708 - 08/20/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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When you're working with coir and verm the bucket tek agarstudent linked is just fine and plenty of cultivators around here use it with great success. I'd advise you pick up some verm and go for it. If you're getting contams with the bucket tek you need to work on getting cleaner spawn. Do you have any pics of the jars? It would probably be best to confirm that they're squeaky clean before you go spawning them.
Also, you're making a mini mono right?
Edited by Dactylium (08/20/16 06:09 PM)
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Re: [BULK] A little recipe adivce [Re: Dactylium]
#23560848 - 08/20/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh yes, you will need a LED light, or something with a color temperature of about 6500 kelvin to trigger fruiting. I never tried not sterilizing my substrates. Only the vermiculite they sell has a warning label that it may contain fungi and bacteria, hence I make it sterile
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Re: [BULK] A little recipe adivce [Re: AgarStudent]
#23561423 - 08/20/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok sorry about the misinformation about the coffee grounds
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RogerRabbit said: Pasteurize, never sterilize coffee grinds or you're asking for contamination.
Always pasteurize all ingredients together, never add ANYthing that hasn't been pasteurized. Don't lime or otherwise pH alter substrates. Cubensis prefers a pH of around 5.5 to 6.5, so save the lime for your casing layer. Only add gypsum to the substrate mix.
Normally when a substrate or casing gets trichoderma like that prior to first flush, it means the spawn was contaminated, so the other errors may or may not be the cause, but it's important to note for future grows. RR
Anybody else use k cups in their substrate mixtures or compost piles?
Oh ya I've used these quite a bit in my monos and receive some bountiful harvests...
Edited by spore-ty (08/20/16 09:29 PM)
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esse_jeremy
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Re: [BULK] A little recipe adivce [Re: spore-ty]
#23561429 - 08/20/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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okk thank you all!!!!
I'm using cubensis of course!! And I'd like to use a coir/coffe/cowmanure recipe and I got 1.8L of spawn, So I thoug 2L of coir+1 of manure+ 0.8 of coffe would be great!! I will pasturize all the material and my tub size are 45x26x35
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spore-ty said: Be careful with coffee even pasteurizing it I had problems only way I had 100% success imo was pc'ing it
Tell me your measurement of your 1.8 spawn and monotub dimensions I'll tell you exactly what you need... i love basic math 
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Re: [BULK] A little recipe adivce [Re: esse_jeremy]
#23561462 - 08/20/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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the ucket tek works fine, i'd avoid the coffee all together for now till you get a hang of things and have more spawn to play with.
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esse_jeremy
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Re: [BULK] A little recipe adivce [Re: cronicr]
#23561492 - 08/20/16 09:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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cronicr said: the ucket tek works fine, i'd avoid the coffee all together for now till you get a hang of things and have more spawn to play with.
ok do just coir!!
but the size of the tub are ok for 1.8 L of spawn??
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morty422
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Re: [BULK] A little recipe adivce [Re: esse_jeremy]
#23561570 - 08/20/16 10:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hmm. 1.8 Liters of spawn is approximately 2 quarts...
What size tub are you going to be utilizing? I may have missed that. If you are open to recommendations on tub size- I wouldn't go anywhere near a 66qt, I would just about divide that in half! Make sure she's tall enough for the mushrooms!
Also, the bucket tek works absolutely fine. I currently have a mono in fruiting as we speak with 0 contams present which was created using Damion5050's bucket tek. I just spawned another two monotubs 4 days ago and they are literally almost done colonizing. The good thing about coir is that it's so cheap, even if you don't use the entire bucket and end up throwing some out-it's not like you just lost a large amount of money. Bricks of coir are 2.99usd where I'm from and throwing away a dollar or two is not the end of the world...
It is a tried method with good results. Coir is also somewhat contaminate resistant. People use wet coir inside reptile terrariums where their lizard is shitting and pissing on it all day. It still doesn't mold...
Is the H Poo something you currently possess? If no-you might want to just go ahead and roll with just coir/verm/gypsum(optional)? If you do currently have the H Poo then you might want to consult with someone who has more experience mixing substrates, as I have only stuck with teks that have predefined recipes so far.
Good luck man. It's not that hard. Just find a tek and follow it to a T.
Also spawn:substrate levels dont have to be absolutely perfect, but if you want faster colonization (which will help with not allowing possible contaminants to enter the grow), the closer you are to 1:1 the better.
Also, remember that spawning and fruiting are NOT sterile events. NEVER sterilize bulk substrate. If someone is telling you to sterilize your bulk sub materials they might be a bit loco.
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esse_jeremy
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Re: [BULK] A little recipe adivce [Re: morty422]
#23561674 - 08/20/16 11:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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morty422 said: Hmm. 1.8 Liters of spawn is approximately 2 quarts...
What size tub are you going to be utilizing? I may have missed that. If you are open to recommendations on tub size- I wouldn't go anywhere near a 66qt, I would just about divide that in half! Make sure she's tall enough for the mushrooms!
Also, the bucket tek works absolutely fine. I currently have a mono in fruiting as we speak with 0 contams present which was created using Damion5050's bucket tek. I just spawned another two monotubs 4 days ago and they are literally almost done colonizing. The good thing about coir is that it's so cheap, even if you don't use the entire bucket and end up throwing some out-it's not like you just lost a large amount of money. Bricks of coir are 2.99usd where I'm from and throwing away a dollar or two is not the end of the world...
It is a tried method with good results. Coir is also somewhat contaminate resistant. People use wet coir inside reptile terrariums where their lizard is shitting and pissing on it all day. It still doesn't mold...
Is the H Poo something you currently possess? If no-you might want to just go ahead and roll with just coir/verm/gypsum(optional)? If you do currently have the H Poo then you might want to consult with someone who has more experience mixing substrates, as I have only stuck with teks that have predefined recipes so far.
Good luck man. It's not that hard. Just find a tek and follow it to a T.
Also spawn:substrate levels dont have to be absolutely perfect, but if you want faster colonization (which will help with not allowing possible contaminants to enter the grow), the closer you are to 1:1 the better.
Also, remember that spawning and fruiting are NOT sterile events. NEVER sterilize bulk substrate. If someone is telling you to sterilize your bulk sub materials they might be a bit loco.
Ok my tube is 45x26x35 (cm) and I'll use only coir (about 1:2)
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Re: [BULK] A little recipe adivce [Re: esse_jeremy]
#23561799 - 08/21/16 12:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry I didn't link the tek.
Here she is: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595
Coir/Verm and boiling water... so simple!
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esse_jeremy
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Re: [BULK] A little recipe adivce [Re: morty422]
#23565438 - 08/22/16 09:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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morty422 said: Sorry I didn't link the tek.
Here she is: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595
Coir/Verm and boiling water... so simple!
If I use this tek, I have to use the same ammount of water also if I use half a brick? or I have to use half the water?
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morty422
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Re: [BULK] A little recipe adivce [Re: esse_jeremy]
#23565446 - 08/22/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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esse_jeremy said:
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morty422 said: Sorry I didn't link the tek.
Here she is: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11916595
Coir/Verm and boiling water... so simple!
If I use this tek, I have to use the same ammount of water also if I use half a brick? or I have to use half the water?
If you are using half a brick-use half the water.
The ratios all must increase or decrease together.
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