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I've actually been following the Men in Hijab movement on Facebook. If you read the comments, lots of people are praising the movement in Arabic and Farsi: https://www.facebook.com/StealthyFreedom/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED&fref=nf
There's a Muslim movement taking place in Iran, where men are wearing hijabs to protest the idiocy of a compulsory hijab for women.
A lot of people in these countries desire a secular state, but they simply can't win against those violent extremists. It's a long, uphill battle they are going to have to fight. And many of them will be killed. I definitely think the fight needs to take place though, Islam absolutely needs to undergo a revolution.
This is what Iran looked like before those stupid extremists took over:
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Re: Dickhead Muslim Psychiatrist [Re: Crystal G]
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If any Muslim country an push back, its Iran. They were on their way to sanity once. I think you liberals underestimate the pervasiveness of these deeply held beliefs. Muhammed was real, Jesus ws not. Muhammed was a conqueror, Jesus died by the state. This may not seem important to you, but people actually believe this stuff, and believe in their god. Not everyone wants to live in a diverse secular democracy
Extremist doesnt mean anything. They arent being extreme. The word you want is 'standard' and what we want is 'dilution'. Extremism implies that they are not the norm or doing something not prescribed. Its an idiotic term
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specialpeopleclub said: If any Muslim country an push back, its Iran. They were on their way to sanity once. I think you liberals underestimate the pervasiveness of these deeply held beliefs. Muhammed was real, Jesus ws not. Muhammed was a conqueror, Jesus died by the state. This may not seem important to you, but people actually believe this stuff, and believe in their god. Not everyone wants to live in a diverse secular democracy
Extremist doesnt mean anything. They arent being extreme. The word you want is 'standard' and what we want is 'dilution'. Extremism implies that they are not the norm or doing something not prescribed. Its an idiotic term
Dude, are you serious? Blaming Islam for the insanity of Iran's government? Do you know what happened there politically that enabled the clerics to take over in spite of their obvious insanity?
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You just skip over all the important things, as usual.
We fucked up in that case, though Im not intimately familiar.
The more islamic a place is,the more we view it as extreme. You are showing a western bias when those terms are used. Islam isnt christianity.
as we see, its easy for places to go backward, and many people are wanting that.
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specialpeopleclub said: If any Muslim country an push back, its Iran. They were on their way to sanity once. I think you liberals underestimate the pervasiveness of these deeply held beliefs. Muhammed was real, Jesus ws not. Muhammed was a conqueror, Jesus died by the state. This may not seem important to you, but people actually believe this stuff, and believe in their god. Not everyone wants to live in a diverse secular democracy
Everybody is ignoring your point because nobody in this thread believes (at least not to my knowledge) that Mohammad was a good person. In fact, I said earlier in this thread that Muhammad was a sexual pervert and a war criminal, and that he was psychologically disturbed. Nobody should be idolizing him.
Also, what do you mean Jesus was not real? Muslims actually believe Jesus was real, and was a prophet. They actually believe in Jesus, because one thing Jesus says is that one last prophet will come after his death. They simply don't accept that he was the son of god.
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Re: Dickhead Muslim Psychiatrist [Re: Crystal G]
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There is no evidance Jesus was a real person, and he isnt the one Muslims want to imitate
Muhammed was the lat and perfect prophet, and the words that come later in the Koran arethe ones with more validity. These are the verses after he was banished from mMecca, and the more troubling ones. The whole first chapter was about how terrible the Jews are and how god mnakes the non believers what they are and nothing will change them. Then there are the hadiths, which get more down to the killing.
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specialpeopleclub said: You just skip over all the important things, as usual.
We fucked up in that case, though Im not intimately familiar.
The more islamic a place is,the more we view it as extreme. You are showing a western bias when those terms are used. Islam isnt christianity.
as we see, its easy for places to go backward, and many people are wanting that.
Saudi Arabia is just as Islamic. Our govrrnment doesnt view them as extreme.
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Re: Dickhead Muslim Psychiatrist [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: I've actually been following the Men in Hijab movement on Facebook. If you read the comments, lots of people are praising the movement in Arabic and Farsi: https://www.facebook.com/StealthyFreedom/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED&fref=nf
There's a Muslim movement taking place in Iran, where men are wearing hijabs to protest the idiocy of a compulsory hijab for women.
A lot of people in these countries desire a secular state, but they simply can't win against those violent extremists. It's a long, uphill battle they are going to have to fight. And many of them will be killed. I definitely think the fight needs to take place though, Islam absolutely needs to undergo a revolution.
This is what Iran looked like before those stupid extremists took over:
r u srs
that must have been in the 50's after the US overthrew Iran's government, installing a pro-western Shah or whatever, who gave women the right to vote and some other things. The religious leaders in the country included Ruhollah Khomeini who had been one of the leading critics of the Shah at the time, who had been imprisoned for 18 months and then exiled for 14 years because of the shah's secret police and tactics that included torturing and imprisoning anyone that dissented. The religious leaders had been seeing that the shah was trying to push out islam in a country that was mostly muslim, lol.
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Re: Dickhead Muslim Psychiatrist [Re: 404] 2
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The democratically elected Mossadegh government overthrown by the US was socialist and secular. Iran has not generally been known for extremism in the past AFAIK. The Iranian revolution was a reaction to US meddling, but it didn't restore some prior status quo. It was a brand new flaming bag of crazy which resulted from an unprecedented civil power vacuum as orchestrated by Western meddling. I'm sorry but we really fucked Iran up. They were once very progressive, but we don't like our puppet states to be progressive, we like them to be authoritarian. That is the social order we impose on them and that is how the Iranians learned to live.
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akira_akuma said: you don't know shit about religion, in general. all of the abrahamic religions have different set beliefs on what is taken on faith within scripture, or how said scripture is interpreted.
No need to condescendingly state obvious and basic facts about how religion works.
but that's my job on the shroomery. point out glaring obvious bullshit to people with their blinders on. what else would i do here? discuss things?
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Re: Dickhead Muslim Psychiatrist [Re: akira_akuma]
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You forgot melt .
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Sophistic Radiance said: I'm sorry but we really fucked Iran up. They were once very progressive, but we don't like our puppet states to be progressive, we like them to be authoritarian, and that is the social order we impose on them.
Why are you saying sorry? i never suggested that we did otherwise to Iran. The Shah placed in power was not a good dude
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specialpeopleclub said: There is no evidance Jesus was a real person, and he isnt the one Muslims want to imitate
Muhammed was the lat and perfect prophet, and the words that come later in the Koran arethe ones with more validity. These are the verses after he was banished from mMecca, and the more troubling ones. The whole first chapter was about how terrible the Jews are and how god mnakes the non believers what they are and nothing will change them. Then there are the hadiths, which get more down to the killing.
so what you're getting at is that in antiquity and medieval times people were just as prone to crazy unfounded beliefs as they are today, but didn't have the wherewithal to question anything because they didn't have the truth jutting out 24/7, due to lack of media, internet, press, liberalism ect?
not surprising. but why don't you just say that?
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Why are you saying sorry? i never suggested that we did otherwise to Iran. The Shah placed in power was not a good dude
I agree, but I further meant to say that the Islamic Republic of Iran owes a lot to the US. Iran was secular before the series of upheavals that resulted in the present status quo. We made them into the fundamentalist freaks they are.
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trekie said: You forgot melt .
um...k. not like you've been in spam melt mode for the longest time now. still having religious visions?
also, i thought we were cool, man? 
remember Grandpa? Gramps?
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Re: Dickhead Muslim Psychiatrist [Re: akira_akuma]
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I was just giving you a hard time buddy. Nah my head is better. Still an emotional wreck but I'm working on that. For the record it wasn't the Christian god .
During medieval times people were almost always hammered beer and wine was much safer than water. People are getting less religious as a whole. Once all these old fucks die off we will be living in a godless paradise.
I've had several bad head shrinks the ones who were ultra religious were the worst. Have you tired praying the sadness away? Bwahaha.
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My neighbor is from Iran, actually. An aging single woman. She doesn't wear a burqa, she dresses like a yuppie. She is a yuppie. She's still a Muslim, but she is a secular yuppie. I wouldn't be surprised if the Iranian yuppie diaspora is huge.
She's a total bitch, but not because she wants to kill the faggots or force women to wear burqas or something. She's a bitch because she always comes to my door to complain when somebody is parked too far into her side of the property line. Still, I wouldn't want to have her deported, she's alright.
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Re: Dickhead Muslim Psychiatrist [Re: trekie]
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trekie said: I was just giving you a hard time buddy. Nah my head is better. Still an emotional wreck but I'm working on that. For the record it wasn't the Christian god.
well...good to see you're doing better. sometimes the spiritual is often conflated with the religious, and not that there's anything wrong with that. a good head could use some worship of higher deeds.
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During medieval times people were almost always hammered beer and wine was much safer than water. People are getting less religious as a whole. Once all these old fucks die off we will be living in a godless paradise.
Yeats said the antithetical search for order through religion has been in it's downfall since a century ago; and that the thetical/secular reasoning is the rising factor.
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I've had several bad head shrinks the ones who were ultra religious were the worst. Have you tired praying the sadness away? Bwahaha.
LOL medicine is a secular science, and will always be. pray the fucking...ahahahaha....i have to remember that when i wake up in the morning. just pray.
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specialpeopleclub said: There is no evidance Jesus was a real person, and he isnt the one Muslims want to imitate
Muhammed was the lat and perfect prophet, and the words that come later in the Koran arethe ones with more validity. These are the verses after he was banished from mMecca, and the more troubling ones. The whole first chapter was about how terrible the Jews are and how god mnakes the non believers what they are and nothing will change them. Then there are the hadiths, which get more down to the killing.
so what you're getting at is that in antiquity and medieval times people were just as prone to crazy unfounded beliefs as they are today, but didn't have the wherewithal to question anything because they didn't have the truth jutting out 24/7, due to lack of media, internet, press, liberalism ect?
not surprising. but why don't you just say that?
you literally dont make any sense I didnt mention any of that
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Sophistic Radiance said: My neighbor is from Iran, actually. An aging single woman. She doesn't wear a burqa, she dresses like a yuppie. She is a yuppie. She's still a Muslim, but she is a secular yuppie. I wouldn't be surprised if the Iranian yuppie diaspora is huge.
She's a total bitch, but not because she wants to kill the faggots or force women to wear burqas or something. She's a bitch because she always comes to my door to complain when somebody is parked too far into her side of the property line. Still, I wouldn't want to have her deported, she's alright.
real muslims woyuld not consider her a muslim then.
Liberals want to seperate Muslim and Islam, which is retarded. Just because christianity is diluted doesnt mean nothing has meaning. Its explicit that Muhammed was the best muslem, so the farther you stray from him, the less Muslim you are
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funny thing is, that's you, about 90% of the time. the rest of the time, here i am, just, basically, planting seeds.
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