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Re: Dickhead Muslim Psychiatrist [Re: Ezuma]
    #23558747 - 08/19/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thats a stupid position
If you are Muslim, you believe the tenants of Islam to some extent, which are almost all terible. a distinction that doesnt exist.


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Re: Dickhead Muslim Psychiatrist [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 2
    #23558774 - 08/19/16 11:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

you don't know shit about religion, in general. all of the abrahamic religions have different set beliefs on what is taken on faith within scripture, or how said scripture is interpreted.


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Re: Dickhead Muslim Psychiatrist [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23558784 - 08/19/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I can see how the majority of the adhirent act and believe from pew polls and actions, which is more important then scripture


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Re: Dickhead Muslim Psychiatrist [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23558832 - 08/20/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think economic conditions have a lot to do with differences between the beliefs of the average christian and muslim, though it does seem to be true that there are more literalist muslims than christians, or at least they are more violent. That kind of extremism doesn't pop up just anywhere though. I do think Islam is a problem, I just believe that muslims will over time adapt and become more moderate abroad under different conditions. In any case, hating on muslim people won't help matters, it only helps to radicalize hot-headed european and american youths from otherwise potentially moderate muslim families.

That said, I expect the average muslim is probably more archaic and reactionary in their thinking than the average christian, and some of that is due to core differences in their religious upbringing and scriptures, but you cannot imo pretend that is the ONLY reason for these differences


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Re: Dickhead Muslim Psychiatrist [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23558846 - 08/20/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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you don't know shit about religion, in general. all of the abrahamic religions have different set beliefs on what is taken on faith within scripture, or how said scripture is interpreted.




No need to condescendingly state obvious and basic facts about how religion works.


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Re: Dickhead Muslim Psychiatrist [Re: Ezuma]
    #23558925 - 08/20/16 01:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I think economic conditions have a lot to do with differences between the beliefs of the average christian and muslim, though it does seem to be true that there are more literalist muslims than christians, or at least they are more violent. That kind of extremism doesn't pop up just anywhere though. I do think Islam is a problem, I just believe that muslims will over time adapt and become more moderate abroad under different conditions. In any case, hating on muslim people won't help matters, it only helps to radicalize hot-headed european and american youths from otherwise potentially moderate muslim families.

That said, I expect the average muslim is probably more archaic and reactionary in their thinking than the average christian, and some of that is due to core differences in their religious upbringing and scriptures, but you cannot imo pretend that is the ONLY reason for these differences



There are poor christians too.

Muhammed was the perfect Muslim. If you go against the mainstream Muslim beliefes, you are not part of their community

religion isnt some abstract thing. Christianity changed for historical reasons, such as the rise of scientific thought and the Proistant Reformation, the US and all it stands for.

Isis also released a staement confirming why they are waging their holy war, and its because these people believe in what they say.

also, the more educated you are as a Muslim the more likely you are to be a terrorist or sympathize with them. Bin Ladin was very educated, for example, along with the hijackers on 9/11


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Re: Dickhead Muslim Psychiatrist [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #23558993 - 08/20/16 01:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I do think Islam is a problem, I just believe that muslims will over time adapt and become more moderate abroad under different conditions.




I do think this will eventually happen too. The only reason Christianity is a more peaceful religion now, is because it underwent a revolution. Before that, Christians were killing people left and right, and doing all the same shit.

So, Islam also has to go through the same secular revolution, and I think it is just on the cusp of happening in the future. There are some Muslim scholars who are pro-gay and pro-women... they are not very popular at the moment and are largely criticized by the majority Muslim community, but it's only a matter of time.


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Re: Dickhead Muslim Psychiatrist [Re: Crystal G]
    #23559042 - 08/20/16 02:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Muslims dont want to go through a revolution

christianity was just the religin of the people who started wstern scientific thought

the Protistant Reformation was the Largest change, and that was really just the bible not being available to laymen

dopeople all want basically the same things? Islam is the fastest growing religion right now.


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Re: Dickhead Muslim Psychiatrist [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 2
    #23559048 - 08/20/16 02:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm tired of people who hate muslims declaring what Muslims do and don't want, or what interpretation of Shariah is correct. Wtf people. Get your heads out of your asses.


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Re: Dickhead Muslim Psychiatrist [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23559063 - 08/20/16 02:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Sharia isnt written in a dead language noone speaks. Kill means kill.
so, now I cant speak of what I see because Im nor Muslim? Its like the idiotic rhetoric that men cant have opinions on abortion


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    #23559068 - 08/20/16 02:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Dickhead Muslim Psychiatrist [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #23559072 - 08/20/16 02:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm just saying, man, how would you know? Your treatment of the subject, itself, is lame enough to give away the fact that you don't know the first thing about it


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Re: Dickhead Muslim Psychiatrist [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23559075 - 08/20/16 02:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What does that even mean? My treatment of the subject. There are a bunch of countries ruled by Sharia right now, and they are all terrible. The best is Indonesia, because the Muslems culterally decemated the Hindus there

Think of it this way, noone has any problems with Hindus. England has a huge Indian population. Noone gives a fuck.


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Re: Dickhead Muslim Psychiatrist [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #23559085 - 08/20/16 03:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Muslims dont want to go through a revolution




Surprisingly many of them do--especially women, Muslims that have lived for a long time in places like the USA, and a lot of Muslims who just generally disagree with the uber-strict school of thought. The problem is you don't see many of them openly speaking out about it, because their culture is so strict, and you could face backlash from the entire community.

The problem is, is that any time a Muslim leader comes out and dares to speak out in one of those heavily politicized countries, they face threats, assassination, among other things that is meant to deliberately silence them.

This is exactly what happened to Mahmoud Taha, he developed what is called "the second message of Islam," and he preached about a version of Islam that was about equality and freedom. He ended up being assassinated by one of those terrorist Sunni Muslim organizations, their reasoning being that he was an "apostate."

It even happened to the Prime Minister of Israel, Rabin. When Rabin called for peace in the Middle East and sought to stop Israel from fighting with Palestine, he was murdered. That's what happens to political or religious leaders who try to challenge these extremists.

I'm sure you know why a lot of Iranians fled here to America during the 1970's and 1980's. Because when the Iranian Revolution was happening and those extremists took power, they fled the country because they didn't like what was happening in their countries. All those Iranians who came all unanimously think those extremists are psycho and crazy. That's why you tend to see more Persians here in certain areas. That alone should tell you something.

You know how it's always the people who are the most crass or extreme or controversial who are the loudest? It's kind of like that. People always hear the voices of people with the most extremist opinions. Crazy people always get noticed more.

I definitely think we should be very critical about Islam though, and challenge its notions and school of thought. Because the truth is, if the religion is to ever undergo a secular transformation, we must continuously challenge specific aspects about the religion.

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christianity was just the religin of the people who started wstern scientific thought




Lol. No, it wasn't. Scientific thought existed long before Christianity was ever popular in the West, back when polytheistic religions such as ancient Greece were the primary religion. And of course, the Middle East also had schools of scientific thought, particularly in ancient Egypt.


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Re: Dickhead Muslim Psychiatrist [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23559091 - 08/20/16 03:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

We got many of the foundational principles of mathematics, chemistry, and other disciplines from Muslim scientists and scholars.


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    #23559092 - 08/20/16 03:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Also, the European Enlightenment was spurred by access to ancient Greek and Roman texts which had only been preserved by Muslim scholars. You could make the case that Islam liberated Europe from the dark ages.


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Re: Dickhead Muslim Psychiatrist [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23559093 - 08/20/16 03:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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We got many of the foundational principles of mathematics, chemistry, disciplines from Muslim scientists and scholars.




They actually got a lot of their ideas by translating ancient Egyptian and ancient Greek texts. We definitely got algebra and alchemy from ancient Egypt, but Islam was not existing back then. More refined and scientific methods of chemistry, you could say that came from the Islamic World.


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Re: Dickhead Muslim Psychiatrist [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23559096 - 08/20/16 03:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Its self selecting. The unpious get weeded out. Muhammed was the perfect Muslem, and a real person, who killed thousands and raped children.
I mention this often, but it gets ignored.

Scientific thought as we know it, thank you Greeks an Italians. If you have a broad defenition, we all are amature scientists. If things arent defined then they mean nothing. People seem to like to over abstract

Its the best thing the Islamic world has done. Linier time, Islam is a problem now.


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    #23559098 - 08/20/16 03:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

their architects were pretty dope,  just sayin'
look at some of the mosques in iran and you will see very intricate patterns and colors etc


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    #23559107 - 08/20/16 03:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Their contemporary architecture is off the hook, too. Them moslems got pizazz


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