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Re: Conciousness [Re: zzripz]
    #23559206 - 08/20/16 06:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's not giving it up at all. Through thorough examination of my own thought processes and pushing my mind to the point of peaks in existential crisis leading to complete mental breakdowns where I couldn't properly discern what is real and what is not over a period of years, trying to follow tangents past the point of valid certainty, across the thin line between intelligence and insanity, between imagination and delusion. I was only able to ground myself by observing what is generally considered to be collective objective reality. With profound difficulty through questioning, through pushing myself to try to explain notions with no traceable logic, I came to my own conclusion.

Physics is a rational philosophical way of observing and understanding quantifiable components of what makes up reality. Everything else holds no true substance, at least nothing with any magnitude. It is guesswork, hypothesis and nothing more. It's unreliable and uncertain unlike logic and the beautiful scientific method in it's rawest and most pure tried and true form.

I could drive myself mad with philosophical inquiry and ultimately uncertian pseudoscientific theoretical models of the universe and reality, or I could put my mind to use, use the tools at my disposal, spare myself intellectual embarrassment, and drive myself nuts by the book. When I reach those limits, then perhaps I can  push the envelope on the limits of our knowledge and understanding of what shapes reality, extending our ever reaching grasp in the proper and credible way.


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Re: Conciousness [Re: Into The Woods]
    #23559215 - 08/20/16 06:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

And if I don't, at least I was part of the process. It gives my life meaning and direction, it gives me intellectual stimulation and satisfaction and will land me interesting places.

Or I could grind until I make enough capital to invest in a self sustaining vineyard and sit on my ass drinking wine and wishing I'd pursued other avenues in the short time I have.

I'll save the vineyard as a retirement plan.


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Re: Conciousness [Re: Into The Woods]
    #23559229 - 08/20/16 06:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Conciousness [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23559331 - 08/20/16 08:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:lol: That's one way of looking at it.


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Re: Conciousness [Re: Into The Woods]
    #23559366 - 08/20/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That wasn't me. I am blaming the droogz. :yesnod:


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Re: Conciousness [Re: Into The Woods]
    #23559424 - 08/20/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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It's nice to feel a little less alone and in turn, a little less out of my mind.

That being said, while my own understanding of reality differs, in that I wouldn't have used the word illusion, the nature of this kind of thinking still being quite similar, it's relieving to know that there are like-minded people out there.

But of course, there is only so much within our grasp of understanding at any given time and in my lifetime, a career in physics is the closest I will get to touching on that which can be understood of reality.
It's the route of mapping the universe with closest thing to verifiable certainty. We do what we can with what we have.




You have my full respect. :thumbup:


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Re: Consciousness [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23560632 - 08/20/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

consciousness = mechanics

but these mechanics are not fully understood.

mechanics, operations, of spacetime, light, gravity, radiation, motion, vacuum of nuclear and electro-magnetic forces versus strong and weak and extra weak forces, color of vibration to pressure and displacement, dark matter and dark energy, supraconductivity.

all these mechanics are consciousness at a more finite level than is currently able to be comprehended, and thus is insuperable, and seemingly unstable. either infinite and improvable, or provable to a finite degree, but the theory is never really found, the theory of everything. that thread, if you will, can either never be found, or it can simply be comprehended. we are all bodies that have crooks, creases, and crannies, we all have holes, we all have empty souls. past the soul -- the operations of our psyche, our bodies, our minds, and intellect, memories, instincts, we have the mechanics that unfold it. this is all found within the stew of quantum fields, that operate under the provision that they are laws.

these things can be used and explained, but not for a very long time.

consciousness is infinitely finite. on our plane our, at goldilocks zones, there is carbon life-forms all across the universe. on planes lower or higher than such, we cannot comprehend how consciousness is formed, because it has no thinking degree...like plants, we cannot comprehend their existence as a life-form, other than they feed on the suns rays. we see their intricacies as mechanical operations and not based on logical predicates but mechanical ones, unless you are a botanist, or biologist, perhaps, or are aware of these inherent complexities that arise in life.

consciousness can be said to be that which feeds, but what provided that we must feed, that's simply called evolution. consciousness can be said to drive evolution, as a natural process, but what governs the process? consciousness itself governs the process, by feeding on itself.

how do these innate laws balance themselves into any equation will be a long time telling.

things to not fall so much as they drop. but where is the drop? in bodies of supraconduction.


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Re: Consciousness [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23561729 - 08/20/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Care to elaborate?


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Re: Consciousness [Re: Into The Woods]
    #23561738 - 08/20/16 11:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

you don't think i elaborated enough? i don't study physics, nor do i study cognitive sciences.


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Re: Consciousness [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23561748 - 08/20/16 11:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Oh


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Re: Consciousness [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23561761 - 08/20/16 11:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Likewise, DQ. :beer:


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    #23561841 - 08/21/16 12:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Edited by ruaware (12/05/16 11:35 PM)


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Re: Conciousness [Re: ruaware]
    #23561853 - 08/21/16 12:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If plants were conscious, I wonder if they'd freak the fuck out everytime there were bees coming.



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Re: Conciousness [Re: ruaware]
    #23562154 - 08/21/16 05:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

it isn't right


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Re: Conciousness [Re: connectedcosmos]
    #23562384 - 08/21/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So if were made up of atoms and gluons electrons neutrons quarks and all that small particle business, which is probably fundamentally space time and pure energy? I think? Then why are we conciousness?




Wrong way around, bro.

So if we are conscious, why atoms and gluons, electrons, neutrons, quarks and all that?

That is the question.


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Re: Conciousness [Re: ruaware]
    #23562389 - 08/21/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not claiming that this is right, i just made this up. I don't know if this is right. But it makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint.




It makes no sense at all from an evolutionary viewpoint. There is no reason for natural selection to favour consciousness.


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Re: Conciousness [Re: viktor]
    #23562401 - 08/21/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Unless that consciousness is intelligent enough to outsmart it's predators and environmental difficulties.


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Re: Conciousness [Re: Into The Woods] * 1
    #23562413 - 08/21/16 09:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Then that's intelligence, not consciousness :facepalm:


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Re: Conciousness [Re: viktor]
    #23562417 - 08/21/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

In regards to what he was talking about, it's integral.


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Re: Conciousness [Re: Into The Woods]
    #23562461 - 08/21/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

memory recall and memory formation is integral to consciousness which streams together sensation with recollections.

nimble recollections with astute sensation (focus) is basically intelligence, but the flow of it all is consciousness: with some beings having more nimble mental activity than others.


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