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Dosha9
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No fruit after 7 weeks
#23553056 - 08/18/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I followed franks teks and started 5 mono tubs. Two of them contaminated after about three weeks (for mistakes that I'm aware of), and the other three are still going strong, but still no fruits.
They were all started from the second transfer of a MS inoculation. I think I might have accidentally created an isolate, but the isolate is a non fruiting dud.
I've posted pictures, and all the commenters say the tubs look fine, and that I should be patient, but I need make room for my up and coming projects.
What do you guys think might have gone wrong here? Genetics?
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Re: No fruit after 7 weeks [Re: Dosha9]
#23553100 - 08/18/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Takes 10+ transfers to get an isolate and a non fruiting one would be rare.
What went wrong was your spawn health, substrate moisture content, and fruiting conditions.
Every noob wants to blame it on things outside of their control. 99.9% of the time it's blamed on shit like genetics like its some way to avoid figuring out the real problem.
Then every noob says they did everything to the T correct but probably didn't
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Re: No fruit after 7 weeks [Re: Dosha9]
#23553105 - 08/18/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Check your FAE and microclimate. Since there are no pictures and no link to your other thread I can only assume it's the microclimate. Evaporation from the surface and gas exchange are two main pinning triggers
I'm curious on your transfers. What did you exactly do?
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Re: No fruit after 7 weeks [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#23553165 - 08/18/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here's picture of my earlier thread. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23484663
I inoculated agar dishes with a spore print and an inoculation loop, and then transferred twice from the healthiest looking mycelium.
I also used drywall for gypsum. pretty sure it's not treated, cause the treated stuff is either pink or green. Maybe this caused a problem? Although I followed the ratios in franks teks, my substrate was really wet, so I had to keep adding vermiculite until the sub was more damp then wet. If too much moisture is the culprit, wouldn't the that have caused contams by now?
Edited by Dosha9 (08/18/16 12:14 PM)
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Re: No fruit after 7 weeks [Re: Dosha9]
#23553217 - 08/18/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It could deff be the drywall . From the photos looks to wet
Edited by JesusDaMartian (08/18/16 12:35 PM)
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Re: No fruit after 7 weeks [Re: Dosha9]
#23553593 - 08/18/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I doubt it's the gypsum.
Those tubs look extremely wet and there are probably contaminants present somewhere in the bulk and could very well be why your tub is not pinning yet. Try loosening that polyfil to allow more FAE to occur. I wouldn't mist for a while either. I'd be worried about pools of water forming underneath the sub
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Dosha9
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I was just looking over franks teks, and spotted a big flaw in my method: unlike frank, I fill my quart jars to brim when I measure out the water needed for my substrate. That explains why I needed to keep adding more vermiculite. oops!
He also uses only a handful of gypsum; where as I was using a half a quart of broken up drywall. I had trouble finding gypsum in my area, so that's why I went the drywall route.
Im did my pasteurization in ziplock freezer bags, but this time, I'll do it in jars like RR teaches in his DVD
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Re: No fruit after 7 weeks [Re: Dosha9]
#23554029 - 08/18/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Dosha9 said: I was just looking over franks teks, and spotted a big flaw in my method: unlike frank, I fill my quart jars to brim when I measure out the water needed for my substrate. That explains why I needed to keep adding more vermiculite. oops!
He also uses only a handful of gypsum; where as I was using a half a quart of broken up drywall. I had trouble finding gypsum in my area, so that's why I went the drywall route.
Im did my pasteurization in ziplock freezer bags, but this time, I'll do it in jars like RR teaches in his DVD
I'm using all of Frank's teks to a literal T. He doesn't use zip lock freezer bags for any of the teks I've seen.
Also, just take the extra step to order gypsum from a beer supplier online. Hell, they may even have it at a brew supply store around you.
I don't see a reason to cut into teks and change things. If you can't follow them the way they lay them out, why even follow them at all? You won't get the same results, and isn't that the point being a beginner?
Edited by ShroomieNewbie (08/18/16 05:02 PM)
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get more recent pics
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Re: No fruit after 7 weeks [Re: cronicr]
#23554109 - 08/18/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I use drywall as my gypsum and it works fine.
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Re: No fruit after 7 weeks [Re: Inocuole]
#23554430 - 08/18/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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same here. Pull the paper off (optional), put it in a bag and bang it with a hammer. same shit, different toilet
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Re: No fruit after 7 weeks [Re: Kenetic]
#23554638 - 08/18/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I bang it with a hammer in one of my small tubs, then put it all through a strainer to catch the paper. Only powder and fine granules that will dissolve in water make it through.
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Re: No fruit after 7 weeks [Re: Kenetic]
#23554640 - 08/18/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The cost/time on buying and smashing gypsum board is less efficient. That's basically it.
Temps change chemical makeup of some drugs too. Im no scientist, but 1500 degrees could change up some gypsum properties..
Not just that, but for beginners sake, why fix something that isn't broken? Something that is literally fool-proof. I'm not just talking about the gypsum, it's just principal.
When a guy says he followed everything to a T, when he didn't, why add "other" info. Idk. Back to basics.
Edited by ShroomieNewbie (08/18/16 07:47 PM)
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Inocuole
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Um, because the tek doesn't say "buy gypsum" it just says "add gypsum". It's not like you have to grow your own brown rice to make BRF, there are lots of ways to acquire materials. I don't think getting the same material by a different means counts as deviating from the tek.
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Re: No fruit after 7 weeks [Re: Inocuole]
#23554665 - 08/18/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Brown rice flour comes from brown rice. Gypsum doesn't come from gypsum board. It's the other way around. Once again.... the basics work wonders for beginners..
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Re: No fruit after 7 weeks [Re: cronicr]
#23554676 - 08/18/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well this is why you're the newbie.
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Re: No fruit after 7 weeks [Re: Inocuole]
#23554697 - 08/18/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You must be taking shots because you can't get your english corrected. I was giving helpful advice to a guy who didn't follow teks he says he did, resulting in going back to the basics, to get his method right.
You flamed my first thread created, now here you go again. I'm not new to life, guy.
Edited by ShroomieNewbie (08/18/16 07:56 PM)
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Inocuole
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Newbie is literally a part of your name. I don't think I pointed anything out that wasn't already obvious. What is this about my english exactly?
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Quote:
ShroomieNewbie said: You must be taking shots because you can't get your english corrected. I was giving helpful advice to a guy who didn't follow teks he says he did, resulting in going back to the basics, to get his method right.
You flamed my first thread created, now here you go again. I'm not new to life, guy.
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Re: No fruit after 7 weeks [Re: cronicr]
#23554744 - 08/18/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Passive aggressives I see. Just pick and choose what to reply to.
Peace ladies. Good luck OP.
Edited by ShroomieNewbie (08/18/16 08:07 PM)
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Inocuole
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You've been here two days and you're arguing with people who have clearly done this shit for years, what did you expect exactly? Don't say stuff that insinuates noobs are better off with less options to find the materials they need, and then get upset when that isn't communally agreed upon.
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Re: No fruit after 7 weeks [Re: Inocuole]
#23554753 - 08/18/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah, man... I mean... I guess there's more to read, right? He wouldn't be the first to pasteurize in ziplock bags either. It's really just the core temp of the sub that matters in pasteurization; the vessel it's in is a moot point.
Where you get the gypsum is also irrelevant. It's the same thing any way you get it.
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Re: No fruit after 7 weeks [Re: dankington]
#23554763 - 08/18/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yep, until you buy treated gypsum board without realizing it and get the additives. Because you know, you gotta know how to grow to know about drywall. Lol
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The additives which have what effect exactly on the substrate? The way it sounds, you know a thing or two about what problems these said additives might cause.
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Re: No fruit after 7 weeks [Re: Inocuole]
#23554793 - 08/18/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You're really going to make me put together a drywall/sheetrock/gypsum board thread arent you?
It took all that to have you finally ask a good question I doubt you've even tested. Reason behind that comment is you personally wouldn't even know the answer.
I'll find out for you though!
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Re: No fruit after 7 weeks [Re: Inocuole]
#23554794 - 08/18/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd really love to hear your thoughts on this. I mean, when you consider the reasons we use gypsum at all, well, it seems pretty irrelevant to me. It's not like I'm putting radon into my mushrooms. I also doubt my fruits will contain fiberglass because of it, so…
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Re: No fruit after 7 weeks [Re: dankington]
#23554824 - 08/18/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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From a perspective of someone who is open to every and all possibilities, look at growing marijuana. It absorbs flavor from the surroundings in the soil. No matter which strain my buddy grew, there'd always be a hint of pine. No complaints.
Excuse my poor vocab, but things absorb things. Especially when that thing is meant to be absorbed. Why wouldn't your end fruited product contain trace amounts of anything it came in contact with down the chain?
That wasn't really the point of all of this, as I'm sure you can see.
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you know, you're right. OP most likely had contaminated spawn, and that wasn't in Frank's tek.
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Re: No fruit after 7 weeks [Re: dankington]
#23555476 - 08/18/16 11:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm thinking it's the substrate prep. Too much water probably caused bacterial contamination. I'll take some pics
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Re: No fruit after 7 weeks [Re: Dosha9]
#23555529 - 08/18/16 11:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I gave up trying to baby these tubs a couple days ago.
Here's one tub: 
And another:
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