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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: koods]
#23584678 - 08/27/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Still buying into that "vast right-wing conspiracy" narrative, eh? Hillary has uttered this phrase when she's too stumped to defend herself with real refutation. You are literally just putting your steadfast loyalty and belief in the deflections of a known liar. You ever think that maybe, just maybe, the reason the Clinton's have been under such a microscope is because of their extensive corruption and the non-stop scandals they leave in their wake? So in other words, the scrutiny is actually earned, and not just randomly and unfairly heaped upon them by so called vindictive Republicans.
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#23584697 - 08/27/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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These republicans getting so bent out of shape over what the DNC was up to when the RNC tried even harder to undermine Trump - and did so publicly - than the DNC tried to undermine Sanders. Even if you concede that the DNC was conspiring in favor of Clinton, there's no evidence I've seen that Clinton was part of the conspiracy. Meanwhile, you had Cruz and Kasich openly colluding by encouraging their supporters to vote for the other guy in states to undercut trump's chances. you had party leaders openly discussing their attempts to broker the convention.
Clinton gets held up to a standard that trump does not. If you're obsessed with Clinton's conflicts of interest, while not giving a shit about even the most basic transparency from Trump, you are a hack.
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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: koods]
#23584735 - 08/27/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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i don't really care about the minor politics, nor the "conspiracy", really. i don't trust Hilary due to her ties to the players whom continuous screw people over, naturally, i don't trust Trump either.
but this is less about trust and more about the outcome, to me, beyond the current election.
and of course, i don't think Trump is going to be transparent. but what i can do about that. of course i'm concerned (to the extent i can be) but there is nothing i can do about it. arguing with people here will not do anything in that regard.
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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: Great Scott]
#23584736 - 08/27/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: Still buying into that "vast right-wing conspiracy" narrative, eh? Hillary has uttered this phrase when she's too stumped to defend herself with real refutation. You are literally just putting your steadfast loyalty and belief in the deflections of a known liar. You ever think that maybe, just maybe, the reason the Clinton's have been under such a microscope is because of their extensive corruption and the non-stop scandals they leave in their wake? So in other words, the scrutiny is actually earned, and not just randomly and unfairly heaped upon them by so called vindictive Republicans.
I think you're naive if you don't think that the Clinton's have been the target of investigation after investigation for partisan reasons... First, to undermine Bill Clinton's presidency then in the past few years, to undermine Hillary as the presumptive democratic nominee. You're young. You don't have the experience of seeing this shit go on for decades. The reason Hillary supporters don't seem to care about these things is because it got boring a long time ago. It's one manufactured scandal after another. At some point you stop being skeptical of the person being accused and start being skeptical of the accusers. The number of times the Clinton's have been investigated and scrutinized, the number of people Hillary has had supposedly murdered, all the illegal activity and not once has she been indicted or charged with a crime. If she was the wolf, don't you think the people calling wolf would have proved it by now?
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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: koods]
#23584741 - 08/27/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You're just going out of your way to justify her bullshit and exonerate her, in typical Hill Shill fashion. That much is clear. And it's no secret that the Republican Party has a problem with establishment collusion, which explains why they tried to steal the nomination from Trump. We've got an entire class of Neo-cons and Rinos who would rather see Hillary Clinton in the White House than their own Republican nominee. You've got to ask yourself why. Why would the establishment contingent of the RNC try to steal the nomination from Trump? And you've also got to ask yourself why would the establishment contingent of the DNC collude to favor Hillary over a populist candidate like Bernie Sanders? Whatever the reason, it sure stinks to high heaven. And it ain't because of something Trump ever did. You've been hypnotized and told to look for a boogieman where there ain't one, while the real boogieman is stinkin' up a storm right under your nose.
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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: koods]
#23584748 - 08/27/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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We know everything about Trump. He has years of records disclosed. The problem with Hillary isn't the 'mountains out of molehills' business. Its the appearance of impropriety. Perception is everything.
When a pakistani national gets a face to face, contributes 150K to the Clinton Foundation, then suddenly gets 120Million of american taxpayer money to spend in his own country, their is definitely something wrong.
But the media sticks its fingers in its ears and screams, and hillary stalls and stalls until it goes away. If you notice, this is the Obama method--just stall until its been going on so long that people say, 'well, there is nothing there'
Hillary lied under oath. That much is fact. She had serious conflicts of interest--that much is a fact. You can't be a sitting rep in government and have foreign officials give you money, because you have too much influence.
Hillary also had several classified emails on her server--compartmentalized. That is enough to land most people in leavenworth.
Then her 'We came under sniper fire in Bosnia'
Corruption at the highest levels of the government, and she goes scot free. She is a liar, she is deceptive, and she shouldn't even be allowed near DC.
And what are trumps sins? That he made money? At least he made his by businesses, rather than using a government position to steal it. Just because you don't want a republican--which Trump definitely isn't--in office, is that a reason to give Hillary a pass? God, this bitch is terrible.
What has Trump done that even comes close to Hillary's transgressions when in office.
Oh, I forgot competence--hows that Arab spring working out for ya? How about Libya? What was going on down there? Why where 140 CIA agents at some random station in Behghazi?
hmmmmm......wouldn't have anything to do with smuggling weapons to syria would it?
You see, we dont have the answers. Its been hidden from us. But like fast and furious--(That was a great one! Gun Runner Eric Holder basically allows weapons sales to cartels) its just stalled until the public loses interest.
Personally, I think the only fair thing to do would have been for a special prosecutor to be appointed in all these cases, and for the thing to be carried out until the end.
But justice is run by Obama. And they are crooked.
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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: Great Scott]
#23584750 - 08/27/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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And again, Clinton isn't the one going on trial in November. That is trump. Steadfast loyalty to a known liar is a defining property of a trump supporter.
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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: koods]
#23584751 - 08/27/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also, in the story of the Boy Who Cried Wolf, there actually was a wolf there the last time he declared it. And the village people ignored him when it actually mattered. Though I think in this case the wolf (meaning Hillary) has always been there, lurking and biding it's time.
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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: koods]
#23584757 - 08/27/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: And again, Clinton Trump isn't the one going on trial in November. That is trump Clinton. Steadfast loyalty to a known liar is a defining property of a trump Clinton supporter.
Fixed it for ya.
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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: starfire_xes]
#23584762 - 08/27/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cue the Benny Hill music.
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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: koods]
#23584765 - 08/27/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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We know everything about Trump. He has years of records disclosed.
That is demonstrably false. You really make a fool of yourself to even make that claim
We actually know very little about Trumps business practices. We don't know who his partners are. We don't know how much money he makes. We don't know how much he's worth. We don't know who he owes money to, or how much debt he has. We don't even know what businesses he owns.
Why don't you link me these records he's made public. maybe you don't actually know how opaque he is. I think the challenge of finding any real details about Trump would be eye opening. I already challenged someone in another thread to find records he's disclosed and they came back empty handed.
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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: starfire_xes]
#23584772 - 08/27/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: And again, Clinton Trump isn't the one going on trial in November. That is trump Clinton. Steadfast loyalty to a known liar is a defining property of a trump Clinton supporter.
Fixed it for ya.
No, you just replaced reality with your fantasy.
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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: koods]
#23584776 - 08/27/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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We know everything about Trump. He has years of records disclosed.
That is demonstrably false. You really make a fool of yourself to even make that claim
We actually know very little about Trumps business practices. We don't know who his partners are. We don't know how much money he makes. We don't know how much he's worth. We don't know who he owes money to, or how much debt he has. We don't even know what businesses he owns.
Why don't you link me these records he's made public. maybe you don't actually know how opaque he is. I think the challenge of finding any real details about Trump would be eye opening. I already challenged someone in another thread to find records he's disclosed and they came back empty handed.
So what? We didn't know shit about Obama either, it was all hidden from us. And what we did know was just passed off as nothing to see here. You see it works both ways.
You are in the tank for a democrat for whatever reason. Personally, I think Trump is a turd. But from my viewpoint he is less of a turd than Hillary.
By the way, you sound just like Glenn Beck! He has the same opinion of Trump as you do.
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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: starfire_xes]
#23584781 - 08/27/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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LOL.
You: We know everything about Trump
Me: No, we know almost nothing.
You: Who cares?
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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: koods]
#23584801 - 08/27/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Trump has been a public figure for how long? 40 years? If there was anything, the media would be ripping him a new hole 24-7.
We know a lot about Hillary too, but not a lot about the inside workings of the state department under her, and what happened. The obama administration is and has not been transparent at all. Don't try to insult our intelligence and tell us they have.
Face it, there is nothing that damaging on Trump, and there is tons on Hillary, so its deflect, deflect, deflect, and hope the Cretins pull the lever for that sour bitch.
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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: starfire_xes]
#23584826 - 08/27/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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People on my facebook are saying "Clinton was respoonsible for Benghazi" as if she personally went over there and murdered people. What she did was fail to provide enough security in a dangerous situation. If you're going to go there, then every military commander should be held responsible for the death of every soldier under his or her command for "not providing enough security". And in the case of Benghazi it was only 4 people.
I'm not voting for Clinton, but she has suffered more severe scrutiny than any presidential candidate in history. She was the Secretary of State, which involves making difficult decisions. None of the other presidential candidates have even been in a position to be able to make, or fail to make, the kinds of difficult decisions Clinton has faced.
The only thing that really concerns me right now about Clinton is the suspiciously timed murders of people allegedly involved in the Clinton email leaks.
People who point to the notion that she put weapons into the hands of Libyan rebels, which then fell into the hands of ISIS, are simply historically ignorant. First and foremost, these are unproven allegations. Trump supporters, who by and large adore Bush Sr. and Reagan, completely ignore the the fact that the Bush administration blatantly gave billions of dollars to the Taliban in the 1980s and Reagan mass weaponry to the contras in Nicaragua resulting in the slaughter of tens of thousands of civilians. There are countless other similar examples.
Even if any the allegations against Clinton are true, all of them would be business as usual for the USA, yet Reagan/Bush did not receive nearly as much scrutiny for their actions as Clinton has, principally because the internet did not exist.
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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: morrowasted]
#23584837 - 08/27/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not voting for Clinton, but she has suffered more severe scrutiny than any presidential candidate in history. She was the Secretary of State, which involves making difficult decisions. None of the other presidential candidates have even been in a position to be able to make, or fail to make, the kinds of difficult decisions Clinton has faced.
Even if any the allegations against Clinton are true, all of them would be business as usual for the USA, yet neither Reagan nor Carter received nearly as much scrutiny for their actions as Clinton has, principally because the internet did not exist.
I dont know if she has received more scrutiny. I mean, they went back to Mitt Romney's dog when he was how old? 
As for the second point, perhaps it is time the american people examine every political candidate with a fine microscope and see what they are actually up to.
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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: starfire_xes]
#23584847 - 08/27/16 07:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not voting for Clinton, but she has suffered more severe scrutiny than any presidential candidate in history. She was the Secretary of State, which involves making difficult decisions. None of the other presidential candidates have even been in a position to be able to make, or fail to make, the kinds of difficult decisions Clinton has faced.
Even if any the allegations against Clinton are true, all of them would be business as usual for the USA, yet neither Reagan nor Carter received nearly as much scrutiny for their actions as Clinton has, principally because the internet did not exist.
I dont know if she has received more scrutiny. I mean, they went back to Mitt Romney's dog when he was how old? 
As for the second point, perhaps it is time the american people examine every political candidate with a fine microscope and see what they are actually up to.
If you do that you're going to find reasons to dislike any of them. I vehemently disagree with Stein's stance on GMOs, for example, but in general I support positions.
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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: morrowasted]
#23584858 - 08/27/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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That was kind of my point. Its time to let the ideology go, and pick who is going to do the right thing for the country. And it ain't hillary.
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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: starfire_xes]
#23584862 - 08/27/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: That was kind of my point. Its time to let the ideology go, and pick who is going to do the right thing for the country. And it ain't hillary.
What do you mean let the ideology go? Stein's ideology is the primary reason I support her, it's some (few) of her individual positions I disagree with
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