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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: koods]
    #23570485 - 08/23/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Well, at least you aren't unaware of it and you don't try to deny that it even happens. You're just a sympathizer of evil, that's all. :ohwell:



"evil" is in the eye of the beholder.  So maybe one or ten "innocent" people die because of whatever.  It is pretty much the cost of conducting such affairs.



PZ is talking about Hillary supposedly killing her political opponents, not collateral damage in war zones.



As far as I am concerned it is the same thing.

He should post some links to these political opponents being killed.


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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: California]
    #23570507 - 08/23/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Naw, I wasn't referring to Hillary "Hitman" Clinton initially. I was referring to burned spies and such, etc. etc.


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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: Great Scott]
    #23570512 - 08/23/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I thought so, just covering my bases.


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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: California]
    #23570515 - 08/23/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

But anyway, from what I can gather so far, you are in favor of continuing to allow our government to go further and further into lawlessness and deceit. Whereas I am in favor of reversing direction and making it more lawful and closer to the ideals set by our Founding Fathers. You may be a Navy Vet, but you sure don't think like a Patriot.


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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: koods]
    #23570522 - 08/23/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Your delusions sound like fun.





you tell 'em


in the mean time, let's help hillary get her message out






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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: Great Scott]
    #23570529 - 08/23/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You don't know that the founding fathers didn't have people killed.
I think like a person whom accepts reality for what it is.


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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: California]
    #23570547 - 08/23/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The people who mocked Jesus and cheered on his crucifixion were just accepting "reality for what it is". It sure doesn't make them very righteous. It makes them a bunch of collectivist cowards who would rather see harm done to the innocent than have to band together to face the real oppressor.


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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: California]
    #23570551 - 08/23/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You haven't answered how you define bad versus "bad" yet. What good do you think will come out of the giant list of bad that Hillary has been apart of?



No good can come of bad, some good can come of "bad".  The world is not a nice place, and sometimes "bad" things happen to "good" people.  That is just the way it is, and if Hillary or whomever isn't doing it, someone else will.




Haha, what the hell man. You've gotta be trolling. Hillary could sacrifice a baby to Satan and you would find a way to make it sound like it was for the better good. There's really almost no point in even trying to persuade any of you guys anymore.


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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: Great Scott] * 1
    #23570558 - 08/23/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Perhaps you need to relax if you are going to bring up Jesus, LOL. 

You aren't going to change the way things are done, and you still don't know that our founding fathers didn't kill anyone or have anyone killed.


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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: California] * 1
    #23570569 - 08/23/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Trump has repeatedly said and shown that he has very little respect for the first ammendment. He said that the Muslim father "didn't have the right to criticize him." He wants to establish a religious test for immigration. He doesn't really believe in freedom of the press.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trump-threatens-to-weaken-first-amendment-protections-for-reporters/

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WASHINGTON — Feeling maligned by the media, Donald Trump is threatening to weaken First Amendment protections for reporters if he were president and make it easier for him to sue them.

“I love free press. I think it’s great,” he said Saturday on Fox News Channel, before quickly adding, “We ought to open up the libel laws, and I’m going to do that.”

The changes envisioned by the celebrity businessman turned Republican front-runner would mean that “when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money,” he said at a rally Friday in Fort Worth, Texas.

Trump added that, should he win the election, news organizations that have criticized him will “have problems.” He specifically cited The New York Times and The Washington Post.

Trump last month threatened to sue the Post after the newspaper wrote an article about the bankruptcy of his Atlantic City casino. On Twitter, Trump has routinely criticized reporters who cover him and their news organizations, including The Associated Press.

“The press has to be fair,” he said in the broadcast interview.

First Amendment advocates condemned Trump’s suggestions.

“His statement shows why we need libel protections,” said Gregg Leslie, legal defense director for the Washington-based Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press. “Trump gets offended, he gets upset and he wants to sue to retaliate. That’s not a good reason to sue someone.”

Libel law in the United States generally makes it difficult for public figures to sue reporters or other people who criticize them. To win such a case, the plaintiff must demonstrate that factually incorrect statements were made with actual malice or a reckless disregard for the truth.

Trump said he would like to lower that standard. “We’re going to have people sue you like you never got sued before,” he said.




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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: koods]
    #23570573 - 08/23/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Trump has repeatedly said and shown that he has very little respect for the first ammendment. He said that the Muslim father "didn't have the right to criticize him." He wants to establish a religious test for immigration. He doesn't really believe in freedom of the press.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trump-threatens-to-weaken-first-amendment-protections-for-reporters/

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WASHINGTON — Feeling maligned by the media, Donald Trump is threatening to weaken First Amendment protections for reporters if he were president and make it easier for him to sue them.

“I love free press. I think it’s great,” he said Saturday on Fox News Channel, before quickly adding, “We ought to open up the libel laws, and I’m going to do that.”

The changes envisioned by the celebrity businessman turned Republican front-runner would mean that “when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money,” he said at a rally Friday in Fort Worth, Texas.

Trump added that, should he win the election, news organizations that have criticized him will “have problems.” He specifically cited The New York Times and The Washington Post.

Trump last month threatened to sue the Post after the newspaper wrote an article about the bankruptcy of his Atlantic City casino. On Twitter, Trump has routinely criticized reporters who cover him and their news organizations, including The Associated Press.

“The press has to be fair,” he said in the broadcast interview.

First Amendment advocates condemned Trump’s suggestions.

“His statement shows why we need libel protections,” said Gregg Leslie, legal defense director for the Washington-based Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press. “Trump gets offended, he gets upset and he wants to sue to retaliate. That’s not a good reason to sue someone.”

Libel law in the United States generally makes it difficult for public figures to sue reporters or other people who criticize them. To win such a case, the plaintiff must demonstrate that factually incorrect statements were made with actual malice or a reckless disregard for the truth.

Trump said he would like to lower that standard. “We’re going to have people sue you like you never got sued before,” he said.






And why isn't Mr. Peyote Zen vocally concerned about this here.  Instead he is bringing up some dead Jewish carpenter.


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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: koods] * 1
    #23570578 - 08/23/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Trump has repeatedly said and shown that he has very little respect for the first ammendment.






so he takes the same stance as hillary


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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: Eminence] * 1
    #23570581 - 08/23/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You haven't answered how you define bad versus "bad" yet. What good do you think will come out of the giant list of bad that Hillary has been apart of?



No good can come of bad, some good can come of "bad".  The world is not a nice place, and sometimes "bad" things happen to "good" people.  That is just the way it is, and if Hillary or whomever isn't doing it, someone else will.




Haha, what the hell man. You've gotta be trolling. Hillary could sacrifice a baby to Satan and you would find a way to make it sound like it was for the better good. There's really almost no point in even trying to persuade any of you guys anymore.




Lol. Why don't you just keep kind of hyperbole on your side. Just because trump thinks he could shoot someone down on the street and not lose votes doesn't mean Hillary's supporters think that way about her. you guys are so weird.


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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: California]
    #23570583 - 08/23/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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And why isn't Mr. Peyote Zen vocally concerned about this here.  Instead he is bringing up some dead Jewish carpenter.





hillary will kill anyone that stands in her way


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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: California]
    #23570585 - 08/23/16 08:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This vitally important stuff, man. It's the timeless battle of humanity. There's a real critical piece of discernment you seem to be blowing off entirely. I don't want to get all "religious" on you right now, but I can only tell the truth here. And the allegory I mentioned is really part and parcel to the bottom line. It's the whole thing distilled down to it's simplest form.


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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: Eminence]
    #23570594 - 08/23/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You haven't answered how you define bad versus "bad" yet. What good do you think will come out of the giant list of bad that Hillary has been apart of?



No good can come of bad, some good can come of "bad".  The world is not a nice place, and sometimes "bad" things happen to "good" people.  That is just the way it is, and if Hillary or whomever isn't doing it, someone else will.




Haha, what the hell man. You've gotta be trolling. Hillary could sacrifice a baby to Satan and you would find a way to make it sound like it was for the better good. There's really almost no point in even trying to persuade any of you guys anymore.



There never was a point in trying.


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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23570605 - 08/23/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You guys need to decide of Hillary is so ill she'll be dead in a month or so hardcore she'll kill a bitch.


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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: koods]
    #23570613 - 08/23/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You're just another 'go along to get along' punk. The truth is you were probably made this way. It really isn't any wonder that you can be hit hard with the truth from multiple angles and still vehemently deny it.


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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: koods]
    #23570619 - 08/23/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

She can be both!


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Re: So is anyone actually voting for hillary? [Re: Great Scott] * 2
    #23570659 - 08/23/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You're just another 'go along to get along' punk. The truth is you were probably made this way. It really isn't any wonder that you can be hit hard with the truth from multiple angles and still vehemently deny it.



Hillary is a competent, hard working technocrat. There's nothing terribly exciting about her, but she knows how to get things done. She won't do anything radical, she won't burn bridges, she 's a steady hand.

It's not good enough to say that Trump is anti-establishment. That is the oldest line in the book. "I'm not a Washington insider." Well, just like everyone who says that, the moment Trump gets to DC he'll become one. You can't fight the system, even if you are Donald Trump.


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