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Re: composting is a great challenge for the urban dweller especially and is a science in itself [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23556608 - 08/19/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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i like to grow things as large as possible and so one proceeds from this desire to create the best possible  environment for the mycelium to grow and fruit. i will continue to study these posts more.




Large. Like this?



Those were all grown on coir based substrates. The grain spawn used for those varied because I use several different grains depending on the time of year and price. I grew on wheat and oats for ages cause I got them free. Fruit size is dependent on genetics and available water for the most part. But big fruits is not the same as big yield. I would rather have a canopy of 35 gram fruits that totaled 3000 grams than a sparse pinset of 100 gram fruits that totalled 1000 grams. Yield is the true result.

Again wheat spawned to coir/verm





pasty thanks for the nice photos. perhaps fruit size is dependent on other factors besides the ones you mentioned like substrate type and amount.


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Re: composting is a great challenge for the urban dweller especially and is a science in itself [Re: paracelsusgold]
    #23556675 - 08/19/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well substrate type counts a little but really most of the nutrition comes from the grain. I have run side by sides that were controlled which demonstrate that with bulk substrates water content matters more than nutrition.

If you are using a super low spawn ratio then more nutes may be desireable. But really you will see better yield per fruiting space available in fewer flushes with higher spawn ratios.

Fruiting space is as important a factor IMO as cost or time. I run one flush wonders with coir and with a good clone often see 500+ grams first flush per quart of spawn. An overall bio efficiency of 150-200% first flush. At a lower spawn ratio with higher bulk nute value you may see a little more punch for the spawn used, but not much and it takes more space and more flushes to see.


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Re: composting is a great challenge for the urban dweller especially and is a science in itself [Re: paracelsusgold]
    #23556931 - 08/19/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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invitro what conclusions can we come to based on these facts? i would really never have thought that one could fruit a mushroom on this coco but apparently folks are doing it?:mushroom2:




Coir is a proven winner as a bulk substrate.


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Re: composting is a great challenge for the urban dweller especially and is a science in itself [Re: invitro]
    #23556977 - 08/19/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Oat spawn
Coir substrate


4 quarts spawn (2 AA+ 2 ESS hence the split tub) 54 quart tub. 1 650g brick of coir.
First flush yield 5.5 dry ounces




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Re: composting is a great challenge for the urban dweller especially and is a science in itself [Re: paracelsusgold]
    #23557001 - 08/19/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I would still love to see a good pro made compost and coir side by side.
This may be irrelevant for cubes since we dry them, but with both Agiricus species and Oyster species the nutrients affects the quality, taste, and shelf life of the fruits, as well as BE in those species. In particular Oysters have a far better taste, fruit quality, and shelf life grown from supplemented sawdust as opposed unsupplemented sawdust or straw.
The grain also plays a huge nutritional role in that as well, except for the fact that we try to get away with littlest spawn rate possible which in the end saves a shit ton of money.


rooster how about the size of the shrooms? also what do you supplement the sawdust with?




I use wheat bran for supplementing sawdust, and like I was saying with the oysters, the quality of the fruits are affected, bigger, plumper, heavier and even way better taste and shelf life.
With cubensis I have only used coir, and on this site I have seen coir kick manures ass, but I have never seen coir up against proper mushroom compost.
The thing about the coir is the ease of preparation and what you get out of it compared to the labor of preparing other substrates, but after a while of growing those things on coir, I have to wonder how an extra boost of nutrition affects the size and quality of cubensis fruits.


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Re: composting is a great challenge for the urban dweller especially and is a science in itself [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23557008 - 08/19/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Size is largely genetics and environmental.

Quality may go up with different substrate but most people are not cooking cubes into their meals. Try get dried out and choked down with liquor


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Re: composting is a great challenge for the urban dweller especially and is a science in itself [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #23557065 - 08/19/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Dude, I totally judge my cube grows by their taste, and they all suck!


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Re: composting is a great challenge for the urban dweller especially and is a science in itself [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23557075 - 08/19/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Cubes taste good prepared for food but fresh or dried pretty much every edible would be equally disgusting

Fry fresh cubes up in butter way better


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Re: composting is a great challenge for the urban dweller especially and is a science in itself [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23557094 - 08/19/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's funny you mention that, I recently had to clean out my grow room with a bunch of oysters bags mid fruiting and knew I wouldnt be able to get the farmers market that week anyways, so I had a friend come pick them up and he just threw them into a little room in his house with a swamp cooler, he ended up drying all of the fruits and uses them in every fucking meal, he loves them, I told him they taste like shit, but to each their own, then ironicly a few days later at my major grocery store near the mushrooms in the produce was a bag of fucking dried oysters in 1 ounce bags for 6 bucks! WTF.


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Re: composting is a great challenge for the urban dweller especially and is a science in itself [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23557097 - 08/19/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They're fine dried, oysters, you have to reconstitute them and still cook though


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Re: composting is a great challenge for the urban dweller especially and is a science in itself [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23557104 - 08/19/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not a fan of regular oysters anyways, Im an eryngii snob when it comes to cuisine, second to that would be Agiricus Blazei. But I have never had the urge to dry any for storage, if they start to go before I can get rid of them they just go to the chickens.


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Re: composting is a great challenge for the urban dweller especially and is a science in itself [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23557113 - 08/19/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Morels are usually dried to increase their flavors.


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Re: composting is a great challenge for the urban dweller especially and is a science in itself [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23557239 - 08/19/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I would still love to see a good pro made compost and coir side by side.
This may be irrelevant for cubes since we dry them, but with both Agiricus species and Oyster species the nutrients affects the quality, taste, and shelf life of the fruits, as well as BE in those species. In particular Oysters have a far better taste, fruit quality, and shelf life grown from supplemented sawdust as opposed unsupplemented sawdust or straw.
The grain also plays a huge nutritional role in that as well, except for the fact that we try to get away with littlest spawn rate possible which in the end saves a shit ton of money.


rooster how about the size of the shrooms? also what do you supplement the sawdust with?




I use wheat bran for supplementing sawdust, and like I was saying with the oysters, the quality of the fruits are affected, bigger, plumper, heavier and even way better taste and shelf life.
With cubensis I have only used coir, and on this site I have seen coir kick manures ass, but I have never seen coir up against proper mushroom compost.
The thing about the coir is the ease of preparation and what you get out of it compared to the labor of preparing other substrates, but after a while of growing those things on coir, I have to wonder how an extra boost of nutrition affects the size and quality of cubensis fruits.



rooster may i ask how you would describe a manure compost as you have alluded to? what would be the difference between a manure compost and a "proper mushroom compost"?


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Re: composting is a great challenge for the urban dweller especially and is a science in itself [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23557249 - 08/19/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Dude, I totally judge my cube grows by their taste, and they all suck!



when it comes to taste of them you are a mycophobe apparently?


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Re: composting is a great challenge for the urban dweller especially and is a science in itself [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23557275 - 08/19/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Woodears too.


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Re: composting is a great challenge for the urban dweller especially and is a science in itself [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23557282 - 08/19/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Oat spawn
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4 quarts spawn (2 AA+ 2 ESS hence the split tub) 54 quart tub. 1 650g brick of coir.
First flush yield 5.5 dry ounces






tc looks good to say the least. the oat bran seemingly works fine with the coco. are you using the coir as the casing primarily or mixing it in with the oats as well? are those amazonians? may i please ask what AA and ESS mean?


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Re: composting is a great challenge for the urban dweller especially and is a science in itself [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23557293 - 08/19/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No I was joking, though a dried cube isn't my favorite taste in the world.
I will admit before I got into growing cubes I was a huge mycophobe, and just the nature of the hobby brought me into gourmet mushrooms and opened up my palate.


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Re: composting is a great challenge for the urban dweller especially and is a science in itself [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23557320 - 08/19/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

AA+ = albino A+, a leucistic cube.

ESS = envy super strain. A cube cross between penis envy and koh samui super strain.


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Re: composting is a great challenge for the urban dweller especially and is a science in itself [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Re: composting is a great challenge for the urban dweller especially and is a science in itself [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23557511 - 08/19/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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It's not oat bran its oats

http://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/producers-pride-oats-50-lb?cm_mmc%3DSEM-_-Google-_-DynamicAdGroups-_-AllSiteTSCMobileFreeShipStore&gclid=CNbG1IPAzs4CFYU1aQodZykOag

Mixed evenly with coir. No casing.
Coir is the substrate oats are the spawn.



tc thanks for clarifying this and it is interesting that it needs no casing. i found a seemingly good newer 2015 book on amazon on magic mushroom cultivation in bulk; i think i'll order it. new for 13.00 with shipping. the author had a madeup name like latin but i cannot remember it and it did look like it might be an enlightening book.


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