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soma_seeker
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What are these sclerotia-like growths on my monotub?.. (w/ pics)
#23552473 - 08/18/16 07:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi everyone,
So I'm attempting my first grow for a few years. I prep'd one monotub as a tester (MS innoc, WBS spawned to horse poo/coir/verm/gypsum). The tub colonised for 8 days in the dark with tightly stuffed polyfil.
It's been in fruiting conditions for two days now with daily fanning and 12 hour light cycle. In that two days a significant quantity of sclerotia-like growths with a light brown colour have developed.


Once before on a tub I had this occur and it eventually covered almost the whole surface and it didn't fruit. At the time I thought it was my first instance of overlay, however it seems most people are convinced this is a VERY rare event.
Can anyone comment on what it might be and how I might avoid it in the future and potentially save this tub?
Thanks!
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Re: What are these sclerotia-like growths on my monotub?.. (w/ pics) [Re: soma_seeker]
#23552475 - 08/18/16 07:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Probably mutants.
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Re: What are these sclerotia-like growths on my monotub?.. (w/ pics) [Re: Chk]
#23552513 - 08/18/16 07:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is it Koh Sumai Super Strain by chance? That strain would always fruit straight up blobs for me.
It looks like a dry bubble (Verticillium) or maybe wet bubble (Mycogyne perniciosa) infection. Your substrate looks a little too wet too.
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Re: What are these sclerotia-like growths on my monotub?.. (w/ pics) [Re: sandy_vag]
#23552574 - 08/18/16 08:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, the strain is PESA. I have grown Koh Sumai in the past though and this is different to that...
Yeah, the substrate surface is a little wet. I re-packed the polyfill today far looser and fanned a few times.
It really looks to me like it is some kind of mutated mycelial growth... but i've only come across it once before and had no idea what it was then either... :S
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Re: What are these sclerotia-like growths on my monotub?.. (w/ pics) [Re: soma_seeker]
#23552605 - 08/18/16 08:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've had it happen before too and the substrate was very wet then as well. Next time drain your substrate better or add less water, however it is you are pasteurizing.
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Re: What are these sclerotia-like growths on my monotub?.. (w/ pics) [Re: sandy_vag]
#23552619 - 08/18/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The thing is the substrate wasn't actually very wet at all. I always prefer to risk being too dry rather than too wet. It was actually slightly less than what the average person would call field capacity...
Perhaps the polyfill was too tight and prevented adequate air exchange and raised the RH. I expect the bulk is at the right moisture content, but that there is excess surface moisture.
Did your tub end up fruiting?..
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Re: What are these sclerotia-like growths on my monotub?.. (w/ pics) [Re: sandy_vag]
#23552622 - 08/18/16 08:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I see some blobs, but it looks wet and lumpy, and some lumpy parts are yellowing as well. This is IMO bacteria. It forms with a lack of fae, bacterial spawn, and super wet and awesome conditions for it.
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Re: What are these sclerotia-like growths on my monotub?.. (w/ pics) [Re: Mad Season]
#23552643 - 08/18/16 08:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If it turns out like mine it won't ever fruit.
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Re: What are these sclerotia-like growths on my monotub?.. (w/ pics) [Re: sandy_vag]
#23554906 - 08/18/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hmm.. Ok, thanks guys.
I'm prep'ing another 4 - 6 tubs on the weekend. Guess I'll get this one disposed of and improve the FAE on the next set of tubs.
It's a little surprising since I'm using the same tubs and method i've had great success with in the past. Last time I did stuff the polyfill looser...
Thanks
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Re: What are these sclerotia-like growths on my monotub?.. (w/ pics) [Re: soma_seeker]
#23555642 - 08/19/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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So I wasn't convinced that it was bacterial but for the sake of the numerous tubs I plan to prep in the next couple days I figured I'd play it safe and throw it away... BUT just as I was about to do so I figured I'd pluck one of the growths to satisfy my curiosity....
I was right. These fast-growing clumps are entirely mycelial. They resemble juvenile sclerotia. I can only assume the tub is attempting to start the fruiting cycle but as a result of insufficient FAE is producing these large mycelial masses instead, in the same way that sclerotia forming species do...
I'm in no doubt they are mycelial growths personally, but this pic might help convince anyone who is still unconvinced. The growth I plucked in half is in the centre of the photo. You can notice some slight blueing due to bruising...

Of course this doesn't mean that it is any likelier to fruit But at least I'm not contaminating my grow area...
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Re: What are these sclerotia-like growths on my monotub?.. (w/ pics) [Re: soma_seeker]
#23555668 - 08/19/16 12:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just realised I'm clearly ignoring the obvious possibility that the growths are caused by a contamination, rather than being a foreign growth themselves...
Guess I should just toss it...
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Re: What are these sclerotia-like growths on my monotub?.. (w/ pics) [Re: soma_seeker]
#23555903 - 08/19/16 04:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Uh I never toss a tub until I see any molds. Bacteria causes molds to happen quicker, and lowers performance. Still no need to toss.
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Re: What are these sclerotia-like growths on my monotub?.. (w/ pics) [Re: Mad Season]
#23560793 - 08/20/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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So the mycelial growths kept growing quickly and almost covered the surface.. I threw the tub out but would REALLY like to know what might have caused this effect since I'm prep'ing another 6 tubs today and want to avoid it happening again...
I think I'll be very conscious of improving FAE and minimising surface moisture.

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Re: What are these sclerotia-like growths on my monotub?.. (w/ pics) [Re: soma_seeker]
#23561139 - 08/20/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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you have an infected sub and blobs....good shit.
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Re: What are these sclerotia-like growths on my monotub?.. (w/ pics) [Re: cronicr]
#23561230 - 08/20/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Those were perfectly good blobs.. you really threw that out? Some people... It could have gone on to produce a second flush of actual mushrooms.
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Re: What are these sclerotia-like growths on my monotub?.. (w/ pics) [Re: Inocuole]
#23561265 - 08/20/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: What are these sclerotia-like growths on my monotub?.. (w/ pics) [Re: cronicr]
#23561387 - 08/20/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Like... a bad ass second flush. I notice when you get blobs or deformities for a first flush, the sub retains most of its BE.
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Re: What are these sclerotia-like growths on my monotub?.. (w/ pics) [Re: Inocuole]
#23562061 - 08/21/16 03:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Inocuole said: Some people...
That's a little uncalled for...
I opted to throw it because (as I explained..) I prep'd another 6 tubs today. I had enough spawn for 7 tubs that had to be used and only had 5 spare tubs. I didn't want to risk the bulk for the sake of 1. If that weren't the case I would have let it go and see.
I've had this same scenraio once before, and it ended up covering the entire surface - as it was quickly doing on this one. Would your advice be to pluck off the blobs and hope for a normal second flush?
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Re: What are these sclerotia-like growths on my monotub?.. (w/ pics) [Re: soma_seeker]
#23562113 - 08/21/16 04:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ideally, yeah, wait til they stop growing and then pick em and wait for 2nd flush. First flush blobs are primarily a PE thing but as evidenced, they can happen with any variety. That tub didn't appear to have anything but a slight bacterial infection. I'm fruiting more bacterial tubs than that right now.
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