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medis
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First timer
#23552107 - 08/18/16 02:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hello friends,
so im growing mushrooms for the first time. I bought spores in Netherlands, they were called Hawaii, but i guess its cubensis. Ive made a shotgun terrarium, and i couldnt find perlite in my town, so i had to mix agro drainage with perlite. Is it bad? And i cant get humidity over 71%. And im sealing and unsealing the holes to see the difference. No luck yet. T
Im asking for any advice, but bear in mind, that i couldnt find perlite here, so no fancy stuff please.
Here are some pictures: http://imgur.com/a/YOBya The bottom left cake is third day in terrarium, other three are added today.
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Re: First timer [Re: medis]
#23552113 - 08/18/16 02:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Uh, yeah, that's bad. If you couldn't get perlite, you should've waited until you could. That is not an acceptable replacement at all..
If you understand perlite's function you should understand why nothing else works as well. Now you've just wasted the perlite you did have by mixing it with something that's no good.
I wish I had better suggestions but the only one is get more perlite.
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medis
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Yes, i know perlites function and i found that agrodrainage has similar properties. I can water and fan every two hours or so. Am i doomed?
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tump
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First not working well. Hope you can mist and fan like 12 times a day. Two if your in the netherlands why not buy some fresh stones then grow them in agar until clear and have a tuffle factory. I lnow it might be a drive but gamma hardware store should have perlite.
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medis
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Re: First timer [Re: tump]
#23552157 - 08/18/16 03:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was working there for few months, now im back in Lithuania. Well ill try my best.
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Re: First timer [Re: medis]
#23552188 - 08/18/16 03:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I guess maybe you could put them in plastic tents or something to retain humidity OUTSIDE of that SGFC although you would need to fan at least 3 times a day 
other than that it's already been said, get more perlite
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Update!
so i moved my cakes to smaller containers - "tents".. Question is whats with that white fuzz on one of the cakes? And you can see my first pin! 
http://imgur.com/a/JBYgN
Im open to criticism!
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Re: First timer [Re: medis]
#23572127 - 08/24/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Most members wont click off site pictures. Up-load them too the shroomery. I made too many BRF cakes not too long ago and put my extra's in gallon ziplock bags. I made a little tray big enough too fit the bag, filled it with perlite and put the cake on the perlite in the bag. I did this with two cakes. They both got over run with cobweb mold (white fuzzy) really fast. I assumed it was because there wasnt any drainage for the bags and bacteria just built up in there and wrecked my cakes. I got like 2 mush of each and they were toast.
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medis
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okay, resized pictures and uploaded here. 


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Re: First timer [Re: medis]
#23572269 - 08/24/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Looks like one of your cakes is packing its shit and moving out in search of fresh air.
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I hate to sound like a dick here, but I will proceed anyway. How is it that you have managed to let spores germinate (1-2 weeks), colonize (3ish weeks), consolidate (1 week)... You have done it all and you are JUST NOW worried about the perlite??? Here is a cultivation tip you didn't ask for but are recieving.. Think ahead.
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medis
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Yeah, thats alrigt, i learned alot in the process i think - the main issue wasn't the perlite, but the size of my SGFC.
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Re: First timer [Re: medis]
#23572320 - 08/24/16 09:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Im glad you didn't get uppity about my constructive criticism.
Yea that fruiting chamber is no good for it's size, humidity, and lack of fresh air exchange. I would next-day some perlite off amazon or something, those cakes need to get in better conditions ASAP. And build a proper SGFC (maybe a small one). Fresh air is so important.
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Re: First timer [Re: medis]
#23572322 - 08/24/16 09:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Without drainage in the bags they'll contaminate dude.
The size of aluminum foil you have the cakes on is really excessive. You want evaporation from your perlite too surround your cakes and in this case its being blocked because the foil is too big.
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Ju ar adapter.
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Re: First timer [Re: Clooney]
#23572347 - 08/24/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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cant you buy perlite off amazon?
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Re: First timer [Re: Clooney]
#23572751 - 08/24/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Clooney said: Ju ar adapter.
Nice... first post.. I guess?
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medis
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Update
After few days in those "tents" my cakes started to pin hard  Moved them again 
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Re: First timer [Re: medis]
#23582543 - 08/27/16 05:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
medis said: okay, resized pictures and uploaded here. 



I really hope your "tents" aren't your fruiting chamber. Unless this is something new I'm missing here, I've only done bulk monotubs and never did PF cakes before. From the bags being tied up like that with no fresh air exchange you are choking the mycelium.
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medis
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Like i said - moved them again. But i guess i would be successful in those tents too
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Re: First timer [Re: medis]
#23582558 - 08/27/16 05:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Moving/touching them isn't going to stop anything from growing unless you manhandle your cakes or drop them.
But when you say move are you talking about moving into a better fruiting chamber? Or moving them by just touching them and looking at it?
If you are really stuck on keeping them in the bags, try leaving the top of the bags open more so the have some room to breath, or poke holes in the bag at least. Either way you still should be using a better tek, what people are referring to when the say SGFC (Shot Gun Fruiting Chamber) is a bigger plastic tub with small holes every 1"-2" on all sides.
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Update. Some pic's. Yes ofc i move them to better FC, not playing around with them. Soo many "mycologist's", stating the same thing one after another...

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Re: First timer [Re: medis]
#23590474 - 08/29/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Get used to it 
Its the same questions over and over again too
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Update
I had to leave my FC for few days, now im back and giving a quick update. I'd like to get some comments on my mushies? And i am moving my cakes again - to my big ass SGFC.
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Re: First timer [Re: medis]
#23592472 - 08/30/16 05:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good luck! I'm working on my second grow right now and I'm so addicted! I'm starting my first wbs jars This morning.
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Hey you got shrooms comin! Congrats!
I don't know why you guys were giving him a hard time about his choke bags... The main site gives the hobo terrarium four stars!
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medis
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So here they are in my SGFC. Last time im moved them, i hope they will like it. How do they look? Hairy stems should go away now..
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Re: First timer [Re: medis]
#23599693 - 09/01/16 01:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Update.
I added tho underdeveloped cakes to my FC, we will see how it goes. Mushrooms look okay, but they all growing at a different pace. i think i have to harverst one of them already, becouse it has its veil broken.

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Re: First timer [Re: medis]
#23599913 - 09/01/16 03:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, don't move them anymore. They are finally home! Lol
Make sure you give them plenty of water now that they are fruiting. If they get too dry, and misting isn't doing the trick, sit them in a saucer of water for two hours, then remove the saucer and put back on the foil.
Mist and fan regularly (2-3x a day, or when the surface looks dry). Don't overmist, but don't deprive them either. Find some middle ground.
Good job.
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Im worried about myc growing on some stems. FAE should be fine in SGFC and in addition i fan it alot. And its best to harvest a shroom when its veil is broken?
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Re: First timer [Re: medis]
#23599990 - 09/01/16 04:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Myc on the stem is fine. You're always going to have a little fuzz near the bottom no matter how much FAE you give it.
You can harvest after the veil breaks, and right as the cap begins to flatten out a little bit before it dumps a load of spores. When the top of the mushroom starts turning black from spores, you are waiting too long. Harvest several hours before this.
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medis
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I need help. Why my mushrooms are developing so differently in same conditions? I have low humidity inside, as you can see. And i saw few small flies sitting on that fuzz on one of the cakes. Two cakes in the corners are added day ago.
 
 Can anything be done with this fuzzy myc? maybe i can remove it somehow?
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Re: First timer [Re: medis]
#23601035 - 09/01/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because the cakes probably have different strains in them due to being grown from spores, and also probably have varying levels of bacteria or other contaminants that you can't see.
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medis
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All grown from same print. One in middle top was birthed first, other three few days later. might be invisible contaminations.. 
Edited by medis (09/01/16 12:47 PM)
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Re: First timer [Re: medis]
#23601066 - 09/01/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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A print has millions of strains.
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medis
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okay, sorry.. So i only need patience, watering and faning? And i leave that fuzz on my cake alone?
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Re: First timer [Re: medis]
#23601094 - 09/01/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Holy shit I didn't even see that. That cake with the huge white tumor? Might want to toss that before it does something nasty. If you have a gargantuan fluffball like that one one cake, then all of them probably have some varying level of that, internally.
Pick the mushrooms before you toss it, but definitely.. consider getting rid of that soon.
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medis
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this cake had pressure on those places where the tumor grew, while i was dunking the cakes. and this cake is wild..
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Re: First timer [Re: medis]
#23606787 - 09/03/16 01:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quick update.
harvested 90+g of mushies from one cake soo im successful after all 
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Re: First timer [Re: medis]
#23607035 - 09/03/16 06:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cool! Congrats! What happened with the tumor?....I'm dying to know!
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medis
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I removed and dumped it. That was myc i guess. going to redunk'n'roll these cakes soon. And i guess ill stop updating this thread.
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