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OfflineCrystal G
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23550669 - 08/17/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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The govt in America also takes care of the poor, IMMENSELY, the vast majority of homeless in America are homeless by choice, it's a way of life

I don't give to homeless people either, adults or women and children, unless they have a dog, cause i like dogs,  no other reason




Really not true at all. A lot of homeless people are escaping turbulent homes or domestic violence situations, especially true for homeless teens and women.

The sad reality is that a lot of homeless shelters only have so much room and space, which means if you don't secure a spot that day, you are turned away.

I used to volunteer at homeless shelter, rows of people would line up every single day from the crack of dawn to be able to secure a spot. But when there are only 30 available beds, and 100+ people (who also don't have vehicles or money for transportation) show up, you can't do anything except them turn them away. And of course, depending on where you live, this can be extremely dangerous if it is wintertime.

Section 8 housing also has limited space available, some years they are fully booked and no longer accept entries for months or even years at a time.

You don't get absolutely everything paid for if you are poor. Sometimes you get help in the form of food or medicine, but few get their rent fully paid for, especially if they are unemployed.

Please educate yourself before you make stupid and incorrect statements, plenty of articles out there reporting that shelters are turning people away because of lack of accommodation for so many people. Some even turned them away unless they could prove they had nowhere else to go (I don't even know how you could possibly prove such a thing):

http://www.nbc15.com/home/headlines/Homeless-families-turned-away-from-shelter-due-to-high-demand-299119021.html
http://gawker.com/5984858/nyc-shelters-turning-away-families-despite-dangerously-cold-temperatures


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I sure there are some people who truly don't want to be homeless, but during my time as a homeless person, from Ft. Worth to Albuquerque,  I was offered, basically harassed, by people offering to help, from social workers to just regular people, we always laughed and threw rotten vegetables at them:lol:




So basically YOU'RE a shit person, is what you're saying. :bored:

Society should indeed bulldoze people such as yourself.

Because there is most definitely different "tiers" of homeless and poor. There are homeless people (usually junkies) who steal or pawn things off or beg on the streets or sell drugs, and they have the choice to crash at a friends place when it's night-time, or they make JUST enough money to pay $20 to spend the night somewhere with friends. Then there are people who are truly homeless, who are sleeping under bridges or on the street, and are searching through dumpsters for food. 

There's a huge difference when you are poor but just around or below the poverty line, and literally being homeless on the street.

Not only that, but lots of shelters don't accept dogs. Some do, but many don't. So if you are giving money to a homeless person who has a dog, especially a dog that looks clean, chances are that person isn't really homeless. You yourself don't have very much street smarts it seems, for somebody who claims to have been homeless. :facepalm:

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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: Crystal G]
    #23550996 - 08/17/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Grown men can get welfare, the only requirement is that you don't work:lol:




Stop spewing BS. Even single fathers find that they are not eligible for programs like free health insurance, unless they specifically show paperwork that authorizes that they have full custody of the child.

Anybody can get EBT yes, but you must be below the poverty line, and the amount is like $170 per month or something. This is the only program I can think of, where unemployed and homeless people can equally get it.

Several states such as Indiana or Arizona have implemented policies that require people to be working in order to be eligible for financial assistance. It's quite the paradox if you think about it.

My friend just moved back to Indiana, where he is originally from. He went to apply for the state's health insurance program after Obamacare passed. But Indiana itself passed a law that specified that you must have X number of work hours within the past 5 years, in order to quality for the state government program. The same is probably true for food vouchers and other types of benefits.

Social welfare programs such as TANF require people to be working 30 hours a week in order to be eligible to receive benefits.

Not only that, but section 8 housing is not completely free. It only offers cheaper or subsidized rates for apartments or homes. You still have to pay between $300 to $1,000 a month, or whatever they designate your set rate is. Tenants are still required to pay like 30% of their paycheck towards their homes, under section 8.

Housing assistance programs are designed to help people struggling with chronic long-term poverty, by placing them in subsidized housing temporarily. Therefore, homeless people and unemployed people are NOT eligible, contrary to the myths you are spewing.

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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: Crystal G]
    #23551018 - 08/17/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Here you have to be working and also have a bill such as rent to get EBT, which is the easiest assistance to get. There's a lot of poor people here so just going a few counties over makes a difference on how easy it is.

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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: D.M.T]
    #23551103 - 08/17/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't say they are eligible for every single program, did I? You people get mad cause I point out the fact of a massive welfare state in America:lol:

Fact is, there's tons of programs and help available to all people of every level of poverty

This guy for instance, he's living the American Dream, no job and still smokes, drinks, and has the taxpayers buying his dinner!



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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23551112 - 08/17/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Several states such as Indiana or Arizona have implemented policies that require people to be working in order to be eligible for financial assistance. It's quite the paradox if you think about it.




Actually, it makes perfect sense, only getting welfare if you don't work, is what's fucking stupid


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: D.M.T]
    #23551117 - 08/17/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Here you have to be working and also have a bill such as rent to get EBT, which is the easiest assistance to get. There's a lot of poor people here so just going a few counties over makes a difference on how easy it is.




Yeah, different states and counties have different laws. I didn't realize some counties were that strict about even EBT.

I know that in California you cannot get EBT if you are a university student, though. Doesn't matter how old you are, you could be a 35 year old university student and single mom, you could have been on your own and not even on speaking terms for your parents for 10 years, and you still can't get it. The only way you can get EBT as a student is if you prove that you work 35-40+ hours a week. Which is extremely difficult to do, to be a student and full-time worker at the same time.

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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23551146 - 08/17/16 08:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I didn't say they are eligible for every single program, did I? You people get mad cause I point out the fact of a massive welfare state in America:lol:

Fact is, there's tons of programs and help available to all people of every level of poverty

This guy for instance, he's living the American Dream, no job and still smokes, drinks, and has the taxpayers buying his dinner!





Good job, you posted a video of 1 guy abusing his food stamps. He likely gets $170 a month, so if he is spending it on lobster every single time, it means he only gets 10 meals or so per month paid for. Which means he has to pay and figure out his own meals the rest of the time.

I wouldn't be surprised if Fox News paid some random skater on the street to make that video, to push their agenda.

Don't displace your own guilt or your own insecurities onto other unfortunate people, just because you see similarities to yourself and this retard of a guy, doesn't mean all people in similar situations are that moronic as you two. Seems to me that you identify and relate very closely to low-lQ, no-work ethic scumbags like this, because you yourself used to be a con artist and scumbag like this, so you automatically assume that trait in homeless people.

We don't have a "welfare state" if the government implements all these measures that require people to work in order to be eligible for food stamps.

You claimed that poor people and homeless are taken care of so much, however clearly you are wrong. Not only are they not accepted at shelters sometimes, no poor or homeless person gets 100% of their rent paid for. So no, it does NOT prevent homeless, contrary to what you might be saying.

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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: Crystal G]
    #23551215 - 08/17/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Food stamps are a drop in the bucket and a distraction. The lion share of our tax dollars go to support old people with social security and medicare and the military industrial complex.

It's like you have a plate full of food and you're complaining about the sprig of parsley and not going for the meat or potatoes.

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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: Crystal G]
    #23551235 - 08/17/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Woah! No poor person gets ALL their rent paid for? How horrible!

im just gonna ignore your personal attacks me, I notice you progressives always do that, deflect the debate and put your opponent on the offensive, it's a slimeball tactic, IMO

Anyway, yeah, if you believe that's the ONLY guy in America abusing the welfare system, let me go get video of millions more...


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #23551250 - 08/17/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Food stamps are a drop in the bucket and a distraction. The lion share of our tax dollars go to support old people with social security and medicare and the military industrial complex.

It's like you have a plate full of food and you're complaining about the sprig of parsley and not going for the meat or potatoes.




It all adds up, I'm sure you're not concerned the EPA's lavish furniture shopping spree either

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/24/golden-hammer-epas-fondness-for-high-end-furniture/

It's all just a drop in the bucket, and those drops, make a fuckinh bucket of waste, of course, it's not their money, and it's not the money of 47% of Americans who pay no taxes.

Who gives a shit America is RICH!


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23551251 - 08/17/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

conservative-economics
liberal-morals
only one is based on facts


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: ohcrapitsnico] * 1
    #23551374 - 08/17/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Woah! No poor person gets ALL their rent paid for? How horrible!

im just gonna ignore your personal attacks me, I notice you progressives always do that, deflect the debate and put your opponent on the offensive, it's a slimeball tactic, IMO

Anyway, yeah, if you believe that's the ONLY guy in America abusing the welfare system, let me go get video of millions more...




Bro, YOU'RE the one that said you intentionally became homeless on purpose, talked about how easy it was to abuse the system, and literally abused people trying to help you.

That by definition makes you a no-work ethic scumbag, the very same scumbags you are supposedly complaining about. :crankey:

Seems to me that you suffer psychological guilt about having no work ethic and being kind of a loser, so instead you take it out on other unfortunate people, instead of taking a critical look at your own self. Often I find that people who are most critical of people on welfare, are other people who are on welfare. I think it's a psychological phenomenon that happens out of guilt, and they do this as a way to separate and distinguish themselves from all those "other people" who are on welfare.

For every example of a person you post that is abusing the system, there are millions of people who are using it legitimately just to barely scrape by.


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Food stamps are a drop in the bucket and a distraction. The lion share of our tax dollars go to support old people with social security and medicare and the military industrial complex.

It's like you have a plate full of food and you're complaining about the sprig of parsley and not going for the meat or potatoes.




It's true, food stamps are only 2% of the budget. Majority of everything goes to old people for social security and Medicare. And unless you are older than 65 or disabled, you can't be eligible for these programs.

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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #23551750 - 08/17/16 11:20 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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conservative-economics
liberal-morals
only one is based on facts



that is some seriously stupid black and white thinking, and also, it's logically fallacious.

conservatives-morals (religion, tradition, marriage ect)
liberal-modern economics

only one has facts.

oops.

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Woah! No poor person gets ALL their rent paid for? How horrible!

im just gonna ignore your personal attacks me, I notice you progressives always do that, deflect the debate and put your opponent on the offensive, it's a slimeball tactic, IMO

Anyway, yeah, if you believe that's the ONLY guy in America abusing the welfare system, let me go get video of millions more...



you literally will gladhand your way into a fight if you could and you'd probably shoot to kill. don't act so innocent, you're basically a chameleon.

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Food stamps are a drop in the bucket and a distraction. The lion share of our tax dollars go to support old people with social security and medicare and the military industrial complex.

It's like you have a plate full of food and you're complaining about the sprig of parsley and not going for the meat or potatoes.




It all adds up, I'm sure you're not concerned the EPA's lavish furniture shopping spree either

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/24/golden-hammer-epas-fondness-for-high-end-furniture/

It's all just a drop in the bucket, and those drops, make a fuckinh bucket of waste, of course, it's not their money, and it's not the money of 47% of Americans who pay no taxes.

Who gives a shit America is RICH!



money corrupts both parties almost ubiquitously. jesus, you don't know this (in otherwords, would you shut-the-fun-up?

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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: Crystal G]
    #23551845 - 08/17/16 11:56 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't believe I've ever seen a child beg for money.

Children definitely offer drugs in Philadelphia, for sure.





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Thieves aren't stealing bread in America because we currently help people get food, dum dum.

Imagine though if that weren't the case, then we would have shitloads of people robbing others, dumpster diving for food, having their children beg on the streets.





I've seen people stealing food whether they needed to or not, I've seen children
asking for cash and parents using their children to garner sympathy to get the
handouts. granted it's nearly always a scam and it's not surprising you havent
seen it since you're from the upper middle class/wealthy background and you're
either slumming it for drugs where people know you cant beg for money or you're
on ivory tower boulevard where they escort you from the area when you start
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: Crystal G]
    #23551850 - 08/17/16 11:59 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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We don't have a "welfare state" if the government implements all these measures that require people to work in order to be eligible for food stamps.






then we certainly have a welfare state

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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23551897 - 08/18/16 12:13 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Im talking about economics. There are literally know liberal economics except the economics of failure. It makes being poor not an immoral thing when it is a natural thing. People feel bad for the poor and for blacks, so they think there is some way to control their poor outcomes. Yo cant, because on an individual basis they need to change. You cant make that happen if people wont be responsible for their actions

tradition and religion are important too, because liberals think there are no sins and you can do all the immoral and self destructive stuff possible and still be stable and a benefits to society. Liberals revel in sin and want others to be sinners too. I mean sin as in, just morally bankrupt, irresponsible, self indulgent, slutty. Liberals generally lack values


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23551969 - 08/18/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

liberal economics is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_liberalism

read up on it. you don't know wtf you are talking about.

and tradition and religion are alive and well in America...people are just working on looking to their constitutional freedoms and rights to shape the country so as they don't get to be ostracized by societies customs.

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    #23552002 - 08/18/16 12:55 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You must know when I say 'liberal' I mean centralized economics. USSR, Scandinavia(failing apart slowly), china. It doesnt work because there isnt any institution anywhere with enough resources to regulate price in an economy.

any economics following Communist lines are idealistic and completely wrong. capitalism is the only way to organize an economy, or, classical 'liberalism'

there is a traditional backlash now, but we are accepting gay marriage The next step is the government trying to make churches merry gays
Just like I cant kick someone out of my business for being black, handicapped, etc. Its completely disgusting. What if I just dont want the person around on my property? Business isnt ome tax payer funded institution belonging to the public


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23552263 - 08/18/16 04:57 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I've seen people stealing food whether they needed to or not, I've seen children
asking for cash and parents using their children to garner sympathy to get the
handouts. granted it's nearly always a scam and it's not surprising you havent
seen it since you're from the upper middle class/wealthy background and you're
either slumming it for drugs where people know you cant beg for money or you're
on ivory tower boulevard where they escort you from the area when you start
panhandling




I've lived in many different cities all throughout America.

Yes, I have a middle-class background. Though middle-class in California would probably be considered upper-middle class in other states. Upper-middle class in California has an entirely different meaning.

I spent almost 8 years in a lower-class neighborhood in Long Beach, where many of my neighbors were on section 8 housing. People steal yes, but I've never seen children begging on the streets or digging through dumpsters for food. Homeless people yes, but not children.

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Re: Racist Muslims at the Olympics [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23552847 - 08/18/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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You must know when I say 'liberal' I mean centralized economics. USSR, Scandinavia(failing apart slowly), china. It doesnt work because there isnt any institution anywhere with enough resources to regulate price in an economy.

any economics following Communist lines are idealistic and completely wrong. capitalism is the only way to organize an economy, or, classical 'liberalism'

there is a traditional backlash now, but we are accepting gay marriage The next step is the government trying to make churches merry gays
Just like I cant kick someone out of my business for being black, handicapped, etc. Its completely disgusting. What if I just dont want the person around on my property? Business isnt ome tax payer funded institution belonging to the public



laws are for the weak. you don't like someone, deal with it; unless they're disturbing your business, you should be able to have some decorum, some professionalism, and some tact...not to mention some balls. balls to put up with people you don't like.

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