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Re: Your lab needs to be rendered Legal fast...how to do it? [Re: grownright]
#23552701 - 08/18/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Seems like a great way to pick up a felony evidence tampering charge, probably a misdemeanor or felony obstruction of justice charge, and opens the door to evidence inflation by the DA: "Well, we estimate we only recovered 10% of the evidence in this case based on the actions of the defendant, so we're just gonna go ahead and assume that the two pounds of jars and ruined mycelium was in reality 20 pounds".
Not to mention that any pathogens that require quarantine procedures would probably add some sort of terrorism or reckless endangerment charge. Heck, even a dilute HCl or bleach mist could probably get you sued for the cost of a few month's healthcare for the entire department, they'll just say every little sniffle is a result of your "malicious poisoning".
I'm sure there are reliable ways to pull this off successfully, but I haven't been able to come up with a foolproof method, and I haven't seen anyone else come up with one either. Even the "slow the cops while I flush this whole kilo" method is somewhat unreliable, as they will tap your sewer line if they hear a toilet flushing. Forensic analysis is pretty advanced.
I'm thinking best bet is probably "creative labeling", which has been mentioned. Maybe throw in a few trich jars, and have a clearly visible warning sign on the jars, and the lab, and pretty much everything in a 10 meter radius. You'll still probably get charged/sued for the cost of healthcare for the idiot cop that ignores the signs and takes a big whiff, but at least you'll have some form of defense to the tune of "I did my best to keep law enforcement and the general public safe, but the universe foiled my foolproof methods by inventing a better fool".
Finally, I'll add myself to the large list of people who have said (correctly) that by the time you're being raided, you're miles past the point of no return. Best to avoid the raid altogether with simple security tips like keeping your mouth shut and your guests to a minimum (and a few locked doors away).
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Re: Your lab needs to be rendered Legal fast...how to do it? [Re: Kryptos]
#23553705 - 08/18/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You need to have a gourmet operation, a grow room full of oysters and what not, EVERYTHING thing labeled with gourmet species, and maybe bleach barrel, labeled sanitizing barrel, you can toss your active dishes and cultures into if that time comes.
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Re: Your lab needs to be rendered Legal fast...how to do it? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
#23555393 - 08/18/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Rooster Cogburn said: You need to have a gourmet operation, a grow room full of oysters and what not, EVERYTHING thing labeled with gourmet species, and maybe bleach barrel, labeled sanitizing barrel, you can toss your active dishes and cultures into if that time comes.
Hmm. Not SO bad this post is...
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Re: Your lab needs to be rendered Legal fast...how to do it? [Re: morty422]
#23556870 - 08/19/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, though reliable and complete sanitation on such short notice would require a pretty strong bleach solution, and that's not something you want to have just sitting in the open. What with breathing and chlorinated organics and all.
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Re: Your lab needs to be rendered Legal fast...how to do it? [Re: Kryptos]
#23556881 - 08/19/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: Yes, though reliable and complete sanitation on such short notice would require a pretty strong bleach solution, and that's not something you want to have just sitting in the open. What with breathing and chlorinated organics and all.
Eh. Just use Fluoroantimonic acid. Way more healthy for you...... .... .. .
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Re: Your lab needs to be rendered Legal fast...how to do it? [Re: morty422]
#23563937 - 08/21/16 07:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Keep your grow on a drone. When the Feds bust the door open, fly it outta there onto a neighboring roof.
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Re: Your lab needs to be rendered Legal fast...how to do it? [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
#23563950 - 08/21/16 07:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Like that guy who launched his stash on a helium balloon when he got pulled over?
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Re: Your lab needs to be rendered Legal fast...how to do it? [Re: Kryptos]
#23563955 - 08/21/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Haha didn't the officer open fire on the balloon?
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Re: Your lab needs to be rendered Legal fast...how to do it? [Re: Kryptos]
#23563956 - 08/21/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol. Haven't heard of that.
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Re: Your lab needs to be rendered Legal fast...how to do it? [Re: Inocuole]
#23564308 - 08/21/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: Haha didn't the officer open fire on the balloon?
Yeah, but he missed. If I recall correctly, he shot multiple times.
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Re: Your lab needs to be rendered Legal fast...how to do it? [Re: morty422] 1
#23564315 - 08/21/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I guess the balloon wasn't black enough.
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Re: Your lab needs to be rendered Legal fast...how to do it? [Re: Inocuole]
#23564337 - 08/21/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Your lab needs to be rendered Legal fast...how to do it? [Re: Inocuole]
#23564462 - 08/21/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: I guess the balloon wasn't black enough. 

So funny, yet so sad...
The state of our current police is appalling. I've known plenty of ignorant black men/women. I've also known many amazing black men/women. Just because someone is black doesn't mean they fit the stereotype. In my military time, I spent a lot of time with men/women of different color. When you spend time out in the middle of the shit, everyone just becomes human... you get to learn how to judge someone by who they are, not what they look like.
Nevertheless, I'm off topic.
I'm with Kryptos. Sounds like a good way to catch another charge. Preventative action is better than any other in terms of fending off terrible criminal charges.
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Re: Your lab needs to be rendered Legal fast...how to do it? [Re: morty422]
#23588235 - 08/28/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Your lab needs to be rendered Legal fast...how to do it? [Re: ch1ck3n.s0up]
#23630002 - 09/09/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is nothing you can do if there is enough corroborating evidence to show that you were growing to sell. It will just look like you destroyed your grow-op.
Consider the fact that if you are merely growing the mushrooms for observing them in nature, and NOT picking nor selling them, then you have little to fear. The mushrooms themselves are not illegal, and as long as you aren't picking them then growing them isn't manufacturing in itself. Now, before everyone starts yelling "What about pot!", it is important to mention that a growing plant is not considered a product of manufacture. Coca and Cannabis are the exception rather than the rule (each is specifically prohibited by law). It might be a good idea to check the statutes in your State and make sure that the mushrooms themselves are not also specifically prohibited.
Now why would a task force raid your home if they only had evidence that you were growing some lovelies for your garden? Why would they even track that? If you're being raided then there is evidence of a crime already.
The only way to beat a raid is to plan ahead. You can't simply have all the State's evidence laid out for them, then expect to destroy it when the Man comes knocking.
I like your creative thinking. This is a good, proactive approach to your problem. It's just the wrong angle.
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Re: Your lab needs to be rendered Legal fast...how to do it? [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
#23639133 - 09/12/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just had an idea, somewhat related to the controlled arson someone mentioned a while back in another thread:
Take up blacksmithing as a hobby, and get a second, fully functional furnace that has your greenhouse inside. When the cops knock, you're just working at your forge, smelting little mushroom ingots.
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Re: Your lab needs to be rendered Legal fast...how to do it? [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
#23639195 - 09/12/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry but.. the thread ended here.
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Lysergic_Milkman said: There is nothing you can do if there is enough corroborating evidence to show that you were growing to sell. It will just look like you destroyed your grow-op.
Consider the fact that if you are merely growing the mushrooms for observing them in nature, and NOT picking nor selling them, then you have little to fear. The mushrooms themselves are not illegal, and as long as you aren't picking them then growing them isn't manufacturing in itself. Now, before everyone starts yelling "What about pot!", it is important to mention that a growing plant is not considered a product of manufacture. Coca and Cannabis are the exception rather than the rule (each is specifically prohibited by law). It might be a good idea to check the statutes in your State and make sure that the mushrooms themselves are not also specifically prohibited.
Now why would a task force raid your home if they only had evidence that you were growing some lovelies for your garden? Why would they even track that? If you're being raided then there is evidence of a crime already.
The only way to beat a raid is to plan ahead. You can't simply have all the State's evidence laid out for them, then expect to destroy it when the Man comes knocking.
I like your creative thinking. This is a good, proactive approach to your problem. It's just the wrong angle.
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Re: Your lab needs to be rendered Legal fast...how to do it? [Re: Inocuole]
#23641529 - 09/13/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Another thread like this will pop up in a month or two. This thread never ends.
Maybe we could add a Bad Idea disclaimer and compile bad ideas for people that are more...open-minded? Just because it doesn't apply to me doesn't mean it's not worth talking about. Maybe I'll end up needing to use it someday.
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Re: Your lab needs to be rendered Legal fast...how to do it? [Re: Kryptos]
#23647313 - 09/15/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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a cop shooting at a balloon is reckless endangerment (bullets fall down eventually)
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Re: Your lab needs to be rendered Legal fast...how to do it? [Re: 2FiNiTe]
#23649765 - 09/16/16 07:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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 How can something be so disturbing and funny at the same time? I keep thinking about this thread and it has given me a serious case of the chuckles. Crazy-Stupid can be outrageously funny sometimes. Thanks for the laughs guys.
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