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The sentimentalists and the heavy and humorless types can't stand those of us who don't take ourselves too seriously. They naturally also do not know how to appreciate the humor in that.
Do you feel it to be in your best interest not to take yourself too seriously? Is there anything fundamentally wrong with not taking oneself seriously?
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DividedQuantum said: Is there anything fundamentally wrong with not taking oneself seriously?
my 2 cents:
short answer:
Only if you think you should suffer.
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longer answer: when it comes to making the effort to be responsible, good and so on we should not use the notion that 'we don't really exist', or are actually a 'social construct' or other such notions as an excuse, not to make a serious effort. I washed my kids diapers back in the day.
But when it comes to thinking I am important, then 'not taking oneself seriously' is an antidote.
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: laughingdog]
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laughingdog said: ...when it comes to thinking I am important, then 'not taking oneself seriously' is an antidote.
My thoughts exactly.
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Well, alrighty then. This thread has run its course.
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Uh...really? I would welcome insight from all comers...
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this topic is an immediate relief. I can apply it to myself, but others in my sphere would be appalled if I raised the issue.
instead I remind them to consider relaxing or being calm more often.
this could do the trick (telling them 'not to take themselves so seriously') if I knew a way to deliver it and not die in the ensuing explosion.
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redgreenvines said: this topic is an immediate relief. I can apply it to myself, but others in my sphere would be appalled if I raised the issue.
instead I remind them to consider relaxing or being calm more often.
this could do the trick (telling them 'not to take themselves so seriously') if I knew a way to deliver it and not die in the ensuing explosion.
Jesus: "Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves."
Buddha: "Before you speak, ask yourself: is it kind, is it necessary, is it true. (Another version has 'helpful' too)
"Before you speak, ask yourself: is it kind, is it necessary, is it true, does it improve on the silence?" - Sai Baba
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: laughingdog]
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"Before you flap yo' gums, ask yourself: is it hip, is it chill, is it better 'n nuttin'? Does it get you laid?
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Do you feel it to be in your best interest not to take yourself too seriously?
Yes
It is the most challenging thing in life, but the most important
If you are seeking peace of mind . . .
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 2
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Man, since I stopped taking myself seriously I've really started to enjoy my own company. I laugh out loud at myself several times a day, and shout playful shit and dance all the time.
Really, it's pretty much the best skill I've ever learned...
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i can take myself very unseriously. the world, a different matter. it's on/off with that one. my perspective here is: clearly people are mostly different in their portrayal's in under the proscenium of the theater of life.
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: akira_akuma]
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I do not take myself too seriously anymore, this has helped me become a better employee on many occasions by being able to take criticism and not get butt hurt. To even laugh aloud at myself at times when i do something stupid or wrong, as long as no one gets hurt. It helped me understand criticism is not an attack, it is a chance for collaborative improvement of myself.
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: nuentoter]
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Great responses, guys.
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I don't take myself seriously, the trouble is that I don't take other people seriously either and that sometimes winds them up, especially if they think they're somebody important.
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: viktor]
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people who don't take anything (or anyone) seriously are fucking retards. there, let's really get this thread moving somewhere.
when someone thinks their knowledge is replete with accurate truths, and consider that this knowledge secures one from having to take anything or anyone else seriously in the world, makes one not only an idiot, and a retard, but also an asshole.
people are never 100% correct about an assumed line of reasoning. there needs be consensus, or lest the truth be so plain that it becomes irrelevant.
plus, when people do in fact need to take the world seriously, lest we all fail at living, and someone comes along to state that we need less serious endeavor in life, and should prefer a less serious life, they are being weak. weak because they think they have the answers to a life of no consequence to itself. they ignore, purposefully, the struggle that is life itself.
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There's a time and place for everything. I think there is so much of the fora here for not taking oneself seriously that many PS&P users don't utilize. I come here for a good debate, which is the spirit of the forum, and watch most threads devolve into nonsense. I find it disappointing.
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Jokeshopbeard said: Man, since I stopped taking myself seriously I've really started to enjoy my own company. I laugh out loud at myself several times a day, and shout playful shit and dance all the time.
Really, it's pretty much the best skill I've ever learned...
I've found you've broken out of your shell of PS&P & S&M and embraced the fora at large, which has been a really good thing for you. Wish some other members would follow your trail.
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I like what laughingdog suggested about being responsible. My responsibility extends from the nexus of my decisions and permeates the world. Yet I am a slave to circumstance.
It is about balance, and how we react. I'll practice tai chi for hours, then spill my tea. Silly me.
There is a tension to maintain in cultivation. Some people seem to have abandoned their own well-being to some degree to get something else off the ground, knowingly or not. At the other extreme are flaccid puddles of people. Perhaps both are trapped.
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said: people who don't take anything (or anyone) seriously are fucking retards. there, let's really get this thread moving somewhere.
when someone thinks their knowledge is replete with accurate truths, and consider that this knowledge secures one from having to take anything or anyone else seriously in the world, makes one not only an idiot, and a retard, but also an asshole.
people are never 100% correct about an assumed line of reasoning. there needs be consensus, or lest the truth be so plain that it becomes irrelevant.
plus, when people do in fact need to take the world seriously, lest we all fail at living, and someone comes along to state that we need less serious endeavor in life, and should prefer a less serious life, they are being weak. weak because they think they have the answers to a life of no consequence to itself. they ignore, purposefully, the struggle that is life itself.
Well, I generally disagree with a lot of your posts (and am too PC to find it in good taste to call people "fucking retards"), but I like that you've stirred the pot. That's what this forum is for, not overplaying how chill you are. I'd absolutely love a PS&P gathering, see who can really let go and who can't. I'll tell you one thing that really helps me unwind, rhythm. Anyone else good with a djembe? I'd be quite interested in seeing all of you shrooming in a big ass party in the woods dancing around a bonfire to a drum jam. It would be most revealing.
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: CosmicJoke]
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it'd (the drum circle, and letting go) be revealing sure. it'd be more revealing then acting like one has all the answers simply for having an intellect...we all share one, yet people will say things like "Well, I generally disagree with a lot of your posts (and am too PC to find it in good taste to call people 'fucking retards')" and then congratulate stirring the pot, excepting themselves of course, because when it comes down to stirring the pot, they don't really like it, because they never try when it comes down to stirring in something that you already feel is just "fucking retarded" and is already below you.
see, with me, i'd never do that. i tackle everything. hence probably why so many people tend to disagree with me on so many things. why? because i play from the fence, and that pisses people off. sadly, i've found no reason to take any side in any coalition other than personal friend.
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: DisoRDeR]
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DisoRDeR said: I like what laughingdog suggested about being responsible. My responsibility extends from the nexus of my decisions and permeates the world. Yet I am a slave to circumstance.
It is about balance, and how we react. I'll practice tai chi for hours, then spill my tea. Silly me.
There is a tension to maintain in cultivation. Some people seem to have abandoned their own well-being to some degree to get something else off the ground, knowingly or not. At the other extreme are flaccid puddles of people. Perhaps both are trapped.
I think the underlying essence is one of paradox.
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of course it is. humans are irrational beings aiming to be rational 100 percent of the time.
the essence found in many one's.
we act like we take ourselves not so seriously...it's just an act. we act like we take ourselves seriously.
it's never one or the other independently.
people think imparting humor on something perhaps lightens up their taking themselves seriously, for example...for example...yeah...i make jokes...sometimes to lighten the mood, but why am i doing that? to have fun. why? because i want to. why? because i don't want to take things seriously. why? because i take things seriously.
i want someone to give me an example of them not taking something seriously, whilst not being serious about themselves. i bet that'd prove difficult.
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said: it'd (the drum circle, and letting go) be revealing sure. it'd be more revealing then acting like one has all the answers simply for having an intellect...we all share one, yet people will say things like "Well, I generally disagree with a lot of your posts (and am too PC to find it in good taste to call people 'fucking retards')" and then congratulate stirring the pot, excepting themselves of course, because when it comes down to stirring the pot, they don't really like it, because they never try when it comes down to stirring in something that you already feel is just "fucking retarded" and is already below you.
see, with me, i'd never do that. i tackle everything. hence probably why so many people tend to disagree with me on so many things. why? because i play from the fence, and that pisses people off. sadly, i've found no reason to take any side in any coalition other than personal friend.
Well, part of the job of moderating is being more moderate. It's why Lakefingers gave up the job because he had more fun stirring the pot. It's mostly a thankless job, but can be kind of interesting too. Anyways, people are complex, there are things you can like and dislike about them simultaneously. Life isn't so black and white, where it comes down to either or scenarios. So sure, I congratulate you for participating in what the spirit of the forum is, yet it doesn't mean I agree with what you said.
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: CosmicJoke]
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yes, but how in the hell can you even know you're right or even accurate without confirmation?
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DividedQuantum said:
I think the underlying essence is one of paradox.
Kurt posted the first verse of the Tao Te Ching in response to several threads. It feels appropriate.
A path fit for travel Is not an unvarying path A name fit for calling Is not a generic name "Nothing" names the origin of heaven and earth "Being" names the mother of the myriad beings And so, always be dispassionate In order to see the mysteries Always be passionate In order to see the objectives These two mean the same (when) emerging While diverging in significance The sameness tells of their mystery Mystery leading to greater mystery (Is) the gateway to every mystery
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: DisoRDeR]
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That passage reminds me of a short excerpt from the book Synchronicity by David Peat:
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"The essence of this tribal structuring of time is both eternal and moving. For each dawn is both new and yet the same. In the act of waking to the dawn, the mind is alert to new movements and sensations of a subtle and rapid nature, yet this dawn has a deep unity with every other dawn that is experienced by the tribe. So the birth of the day is both fluid in its movement, and yet part of an eternal order of the tribe. That a moment can be both timeful and timeless appears paradoxical to our own conception of what time should be."
I believe this ties into the subject of the thread in that, for tribal peoples in evolutionary settings, there was no rigid unique self to take too seriously. There was a tremendous balance between self and other that we have lost.
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DividedQuantum said: The sentimentalists and the heavy and humorless types can't stand those of us who don't take ourselves too seriously. They naturally also do not know how to appreciate the humor in that.
Do you feel it to be in your best interest not to take yourself too seriously? Is there anything fundamentally wrong with not taking oneself seriously?
I think not taking oneself too seriously is crucial to being able to recognize patterns within oneself or thinking which aren't desirable quickly. You do run the risk (benefit?) of having no one else take you too seriously as well.
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: hTx]
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I believe this ties into the subject of the thread in that, for tribal peoples in evolutionary settings, there was no rigid unique self to take too seriously. There was a tremendous balance between self and other that we have lost.
yeah, no rigid unique self...but that doesn't mean no ego, or not taking oneself seriously.
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Jokeshopbeard said: Man, since I stopped taking myself seriously I've really started to enjoy my own company. I laugh out loud at myself several times a day, and shout playful shit and dance all the time.
Really, it's pretty much the best skill I've ever learned...
wonderful - fantastic
there is also the possibility of talking to oneself in various different accents. Of course for me it might be a British accent that's funny and for you an American one! But there are many variations of course!
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: laughingdog]
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not taking oneself too seriously also helps diminish anxiety against any would be critics, as being able to laugh at yourself is a healthy way to move forward and view yourself objectively, versus experiencing what would otherwise be painful to the serious ego.
I think everybody has moments of not taking themselves to seriously, but with so many 'isms' in our language i can see how the opposite occurs.
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I see existence as the greatest joke of all. The great cosmic joke if you will... given that, everything within it including myself is part of that whole, therefore everything is subject to comedy in the spirit of it, but I don't necessarily see mutual exclusiveness in also taking things seriously.
Albeit, as someone said before me, there's a time and place for everything.
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you are just placing the concept of 'joke' on it.
sorry to be the stickler that just so happens to point that out. but where to go from there? oh right. taking life seriously...but how bad can it really be?
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: akira_akuma]
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How would we approach this without placing either concepts, or no concepts on it?
How is this conversation supposed to work without these mental components
Anyway, like I said, the two don't have to be mutually exclusive.
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Into The Woods said: I see existence as the greatest joke of all. The great cosmic joke if you will... given that, everything within it including myself is part of that whole, therefore everything is subject to comedy in the spirit of it, but I don't necessarily see mutual exclusiveness in also taking things seriously.
Albeit, as someone said before me, there's a time and place for everything.
That's a good point. Not taking oneself seriously as a general practice does not mean one cannot take things seriously as the situation warrants it.
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Into The Woods said: How would we approach this without placing either concepts, or no concepts on it?
How is this conversation supposed to work without these mental components
Anyway, like I said, the two don't have to be mutually exclusive.
Smart 
jokes mean not taking things seriously. that's the whole point. if there is some kind of serious non-seriousness, some kind of non-dual combinatory logic and/or emotion that somehow mixes non-seriousness with seriousness....then i maybe could attribute that to the cosmos. but i don't think existence cares, so the joke thing doesn't make sense.
now you can look at it like a joke...and you can take your life seriously enough to not just say i wanna fly or someshit. i never said you couldn't. i just said you placing the concept of 'joke' on existence means less than nothing to it, ie, the concept of 'joking' probably is not an actual 'thing' to the universe. furthermore, if life and existence was a joke, like i said, in the spirit of non-mutually exclusive tendencies, you'd tend to rebel against this 'joke' in order to make life mean something more than it, more than'ha-ha', like i already said earlier in this thread. no one seemed to take that at all seriously. (ha?)
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I never said it did. I said that's how I see it.
In fact, if I interpreted what you said correctly, the universe not giving a fuck (because fucks can not objectively be given) is part of the joke (to me)
And yeah, you're right about the rest.
It's possible through living in a state of utter conflict. The optimist says the glass is half full, the nihilist says the glass is half empty and the physicist ducks.
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DividedQuantum said: The sentimentalists and the heavy and humorless types can't stand those of us who don't take ourselves too seriously. They naturally also do not know how to appreciate the humor in that.
Do you feel it to be in your best interest not to take yourself too seriously? Is there anything fundamentally wrong with not taking oneself seriously?
it depends how that reflects on your behavior...and the extent to this "unseriousness"
can you reasonably support yourself without being a burden on others? if not...take yourself more seriously...
do you piss people off constantly being a jack off? take yourself more seriously.
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Into The Woods said: I never said it did. I said that's how I see it.
In fact, if I interpreted what you said correctly, the universe not giving a fuck (because fucks can not objectively be given) is part of the joke (to me)
And yeah, you're right about the rest.
It's possible through living in a state of utter conflict. The optimist says the glass is half full, the nihilist says the glass is half empty and the physicist ducks.
this is the thing: why a joke? what's funny about it?
utter conflict...sufferance. struggle. none of this stuff is funny, even if we can laugh at it. there is humor to be found in the oddest places, but mostly under pressure, it's basically a momentous defence mechanism; to laugh in the midst of life or death struggle. what's funny about a guy getting shot dead, well, the bullet was coming straight for you and he just got in the way...not really funny, but satisfying, in a way. a troubling way.
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It's riddled with a dark and unspoken irony is what's funny about it.
Nothing matters and we're all going to die.
Comedy is subjective, perhaps I just have a darker sense of humour, I don't know akira, why don't you tell me
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i was just asking. i don't know. i find it funny also, come to think of it. just probably not the irony of it...more like it's just the state of mind i get in sometimes, myself.
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RJ Tubs 202


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DividedQuantum said:
Not taking oneself seriously as a general practice does not mean one cannot take things seriously as the situation warrants it.
As T S Eliot wrote in his poem, Ash-Wednesday
"Teach us to care and not to care."
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23564952 - 08/22/16 03:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice touch.
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"fundamentally wrong" Maybe. Sitting around laughing all day isn't going to accomplish much. Not to mention all the serious types won't respect you if you're in a position where their opinions matter, which seems to be quite regularly as seriousness is one of the basic human traits.
But when you say "too" seriously it already implies that it's crossed over into the realm of extreme. How can that be good? Obviously no one should take themselves "too" seriously. Yawn
But bringing it back to the psychological trait theory. It's just one of those things that some people have more of and some less, and some hardly have a serious bone in their body. It's always the ones at the extremes that can't understand the other side's perspective. Sure it's always funny when someone is so serious they don't even realize the are making a fool of themselves. I've noticed this often plays out when someone references pop culture through a quote that the serious person doesn't get and proceeds to respond in a serious tone completely oblivious to the fact that the reference went right over their head. lol. Of course the other common traits people complain about because they don't understand are sensitivity, vigilance, conscientiousness, self-confidence. I'm always hearing from both sides of all of these that the other side needs to see their side and not be so the other way. Boring. A novel idea that you never seem to hear is people wondering how they could be wrong about anything and the other person is right and that they should listen and learn something from them. No, people are pretty sure they are always somehow right in the way they see things.
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: Hippocampus]
#23565342 - 08/22/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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All give and no take or vice versa gets nowhere quick
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: Hippocampus]
#23567678 - 08/22/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hippocampus said: A novel idea that you never seem to hear is people wondering how they could be wrong about anything and the other person is right and that they should listen and learn something from them. No, people are pretty sure they are always somehow right in the way they see things.
“The world is divided into people who think they are right.”
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