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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: CosmicJoke]
#23553012 - 08/18/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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it'd (the drum circle, and letting go) be revealing sure. it'd be more revealing then acting like one has all the answers simply for having an intellect...we all share one, yet people will say things like "Well, I generally disagree with a lot of your posts (and am too PC to find it in good taste to call people 'fucking retards')" and then congratulate stirring the pot, excepting themselves of course, because when it comes down to stirring the pot, they don't really like it, because they never try when it comes down to stirring in something that you already feel is just "fucking retarded" and is already below you.
see, with me, i'd never do that. i tackle everything. hence probably why so many people tend to disagree with me on so many things. why? because i play from the fence, and that pisses people off. sadly, i've found no reason to take any side in any coalition other than personal friend.
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: DisoRDeR]
#23553019 - 08/18/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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DisoRDeR said: I like what laughingdog suggested about being responsible. My responsibility extends from the nexus of my decisions and permeates the world. Yet I am a slave to circumstance.
It is about balance, and how we react. I'll practice tai chi for hours, then spill my tea. Silly me.
There is a tension to maintain in cultivation. Some people seem to have abandoned their own well-being to some degree to get something else off the ground, knowingly or not. At the other extreme are flaccid puddles of people. Perhaps both are trapped.
I think the underlying essence is one of paradox.
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of course it is. humans are irrational beings aiming to be rational 100 percent of the time.
the essence found in many one's.
we act like we take ourselves not so seriously...it's just an act. we act like we take ourselves seriously.
it's never one or the other independently.
people think imparting humor on something perhaps lightens up their taking themselves seriously, for example...for example...yeah...i make jokes...sometimes to lighten the mood, but why am i doing that? to have fun. why? because i want to. why? because i don't want to take things seriously. why? because i take things seriously.
i want someone to give me an example of them not taking something seriously, whilst not being serious about themselves. i bet that'd prove difficult.
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: akira_akuma]
#23553065 - 08/18/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: it'd (the drum circle, and letting go) be revealing sure. it'd be more revealing then acting like one has all the answers simply for having an intellect...we all share one, yet people will say things like "Well, I generally disagree with a lot of your posts (and am too PC to find it in good taste to call people 'fucking retards')" and then congratulate stirring the pot, excepting themselves of course, because when it comes down to stirring the pot, they don't really like it, because they never try when it comes down to stirring in something that you already feel is just "fucking retarded" and is already below you.
see, with me, i'd never do that. i tackle everything. hence probably why so many people tend to disagree with me on so many things. why? because i play from the fence, and that pisses people off. sadly, i've found no reason to take any side in any coalition other than personal friend.
Well, part of the job of moderating is being more moderate. It's why Lakefingers gave up the job because he had more fun stirring the pot. It's mostly a thankless job, but can be kind of interesting too. Anyways, people are complex, there are things you can like and dislike about them simultaneously. Life isn't so black and white, where it comes down to either or scenarios. So sure, I congratulate you for participating in what the spirit of the forum is, yet it doesn't mean I agree with what you said.
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: CosmicJoke]
#23553072 - 08/18/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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yes, but how in the hell can you even know you're right or even accurate without confirmation?
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DividedQuantum said:
I think the underlying essence is one of paradox.
Kurt posted the first verse of the Tao Te Ching in response to several threads. It feels appropriate.
A path fit for travel Is not an unvarying path A name fit for calling Is not a generic name "Nothing" names the origin of heaven and earth "Being" names the mother of the myriad beings And so, always be dispassionate In order to see the mysteries Always be passionate In order to see the objectives These two mean the same (when) emerging While diverging in significance The sameness tells of their mystery Mystery leading to greater mystery (Is) the gateway to every mystery
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: DisoRDeR]
#23553342 - 08/18/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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That passage reminds me of a short excerpt from the book Synchronicity by David Peat:
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"The essence of this tribal structuring of time is both eternal and moving. For each dawn is both new and yet the same. In the act of waking to the dawn, the mind is alert to new movements and sensations of a subtle and rapid nature, yet this dawn has a deep unity with every other dawn that is experienced by the tribe. So the birth of the day is both fluid in its movement, and yet part of an eternal order of the tribe. That a moment can be both timeful and timeless appears paradoxical to our own conception of what time should be."
I believe this ties into the subject of the thread in that, for tribal peoples in evolutionary settings, there was no rigid unique self to take too seriously. There was a tremendous balance between self and other that we have lost.
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DividedQuantum said: The sentimentalists and the heavy and humorless types can't stand those of us who don't take ourselves too seriously. They naturally also do not know how to appreciate the humor in that.
Do you feel it to be in your best interest not to take yourself too seriously? Is there anything fundamentally wrong with not taking oneself seriously?
I think not taking oneself too seriously is crucial to being able to recognize patterns within oneself or thinking which aren't desirable quickly. You do run the risk (benefit?) of having no one else take you too seriously as well.
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: hTx]
#23553414 - 08/18/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I believe this ties into the subject of the thread in that, for tribal peoples in evolutionary settings, there was no rigid unique self to take too seriously. There was a tremendous balance between self and other that we have lost.
yeah, no rigid unique self...but that doesn't mean no ego, or not taking oneself seriously.
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Jokeshopbeard said: Man, since I stopped taking myself seriously I've really started to enjoy my own company. I laugh out loud at myself several times a day, and shout playful shit and dance all the time.
Really, it's pretty much the best skill I've ever learned...
wonderful - fantastic
there is also the possibility of talking to oneself in various different accents. Of course for me it might be a British accent that's funny and for you an American one! But there are many variations of course!
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: laughingdog]
#23554721 - 08/18/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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not taking oneself too seriously also helps diminish anxiety against any would be critics, as being able to laugh at yourself is a healthy way to move forward and view yourself objectively, versus experiencing what would otherwise be painful to the serious ego.
I think everybody has moments of not taking themselves to seriously, but with so many 'isms' in our language i can see how the opposite occurs.
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I see existence as the greatest joke of all. The great cosmic joke if you will... given that, everything within it including myself is part of that whole, therefore everything is subject to comedy in the spirit of it, but I don't necessarily see mutual exclusiveness in also taking things seriously.
Albeit, as someone said before me, there's a time and place for everything.
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you are just placing the concept of 'joke' on it.
sorry to be the stickler that just so happens to point that out. but where to go from there? oh right. taking life seriously...but how bad can it really be?
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: akira_akuma]
#23555709 - 08/19/16 01:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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How would we approach this without placing either concepts, or no concepts on it?
How is this conversation supposed to work without these mental components
Anyway, like I said, the two don't have to be mutually exclusive.
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Into The Woods said: I see existence as the greatest joke of all. The great cosmic joke if you will... given that, everything within it including myself is part of that whole, therefore everything is subject to comedy in the spirit of it, but I don't necessarily see mutual exclusiveness in also taking things seriously.
Albeit, as someone said before me, there's a time and place for everything.
That's a good point. Not taking oneself seriously as a general practice does not mean one cannot take things seriously as the situation warrants it.
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Into The Woods said: How would we approach this without placing either concepts, or no concepts on it?
How is this conversation supposed to work without these mental components
Anyway, like I said, the two don't have to be mutually exclusive.
Smart 
jokes mean not taking things seriously. that's the whole point. if there is some kind of serious non-seriousness, some kind of non-dual combinatory logic and/or emotion that somehow mixes non-seriousness with seriousness....then i maybe could attribute that to the cosmos. but i don't think existence cares, so the joke thing doesn't make sense.
now you can look at it like a joke...and you can take your life seriously enough to not just say i wanna fly or someshit. i never said you couldn't. i just said you placing the concept of 'joke' on existence means less than nothing to it, ie, the concept of 'joking' probably is not an actual 'thing' to the universe. furthermore, if life and existence was a joke, like i said, in the spirit of non-mutually exclusive tendencies, you'd tend to rebel against this 'joke' in order to make life mean something more than it, more than'ha-ha', like i already said earlier in this thread. no one seemed to take that at all seriously. (ha?)
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: akira_akuma]
#23558867 - 08/20/16 12:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I never said it did. I said that's how I see it.
In fact, if I interpreted what you said correctly, the universe not giving a fuck (because fucks can not objectively be given) is part of the joke (to me)
And yeah, you're right about the rest.
It's possible through living in a state of utter conflict. The optimist says the glass is half full, the nihilist says the glass is half empty and the physicist ducks.
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DividedQuantum said: The sentimentalists and the heavy and humorless types can't stand those of us who don't take ourselves too seriously. They naturally also do not know how to appreciate the humor in that.
Do you feel it to be in your best interest not to take yourself too seriously? Is there anything fundamentally wrong with not taking oneself seriously?
it depends how that reflects on your behavior...and the extent to this "unseriousness"
can you reasonably support yourself without being a burden on others? if not...take yourself more seriously...
do you piss people off constantly being a jack off? take yourself more seriously.
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Into The Woods said: I never said it did. I said that's how I see it.
In fact, if I interpreted what you said correctly, the universe not giving a fuck (because fucks can not objectively be given) is part of the joke (to me)
And yeah, you're right about the rest.
It's possible through living in a state of utter conflict. The optimist says the glass is half full, the nihilist says the glass is half empty and the physicist ducks.
this is the thing: why a joke? what's funny about it?
utter conflict...sufferance. struggle. none of this stuff is funny, even if we can laugh at it. there is humor to be found in the oddest places, but mostly under pressure, it's basically a momentous defence mechanism; to laugh in the midst of life or death struggle. what's funny about a guy getting shot dead, well, the bullet was coming straight for you and he just got in the way...not really funny, but satisfying, in a way. a troubling way.
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Re: Not taking oneself seriously [Re: akira_akuma]
#23561744 - 08/20/16 11:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's riddled with a dark and unspoken irony is what's funny about it.
Nothing matters and we're all going to die.
Comedy is subjective, perhaps I just have a darker sense of humour, I don't know akira, why don't you tell me
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