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Re: Vaccinating clean mushroom cultures with dead/attenuated contaminants [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #23604327 - 09/02/16 11:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I guess people react that way because this is the active species forum. If you are doing super experimental stuff, it would be better suited in the advanced forum. Technically it's off topic here.

People posting here are 90% of the time looking to grow cubes.


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Re: Vaccinating clean mushroom cultures with dead/attenuated contaminants [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23604337 - 09/02/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Oh.. don't say that Pasty...  Advanced already gets enough "experimental" threads..  Maybe they should get their own dungeon like strain talk.


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Re: Vaccinating clean mushroom cultures with dead/attenuated contaminants [Re: Inocuole]
    #23604581 - 09/02/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

youre right, it is better suited to the advanced forum

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For people with experience in mushroom cultivation, this forum is dedicated to the discussion of experimental procedures, advanced cultivation techniques and mushroom science.




but it definitely falls within

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This forum is dedicated to all aspects of cultivating psychoactive mushrooms.




im guessing it was brought up here so that more people than the 7 of us who read the advanced section might contribute to the conversation

its definitely discouraging to see how quick people are to look for unicorns and dragons to slay, where a truly helpful response might point out the underlying principles at work and see the value in discussing those points rather than getting their rocks off by ridiculing bad ideas or misguided comments people make.

i know im not the only person who sees right through that kind of nonsense and intellectual laziness, and hopes we can be better than that, though i imagine most do far more reading than posting


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Re: Vaccinating clean mushroom cultures with dead/attenuated contaminants [Re: c10h12n2o] * 1
    #23604645 - 09/02/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Some people have a hard time with topics that are very unlikely to ever produce fruit. I challenge anyone to find a thread in advanced that ever turned into something useful.

Mush cult is a place where success needs to be found. It's where the new come to learn the hobby. Cluttering it up with stuff that is at best unlikely to teach us anything (generally speaking) or result in a new method is kind of a waste really. It seeds bad ideas into the heads of new people.

I love out there shit. I made the novelty thread, developed a few wacko ideas and even did stuff that was gonna fail all day long. But there is a difference between doing and talking about doing. This threads premise would still be facepalm if the OP had some dead trich eaten by cube mycelium on a plate, expanded then  spawned side by side with controls and introduced contams. But at least that despite its many flaws would have the virtue of having results to point to. Even if everyone calls the ending, good science is repeatable.

That is my advice to people wanting to discuss shit like this in cult. Make a grow of it and at least we have pictures. It becomes worth something.


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Re: Vaccinating clean mushroom cultures with dead/attenuated contaminants [Re: Pastywhyte] * 1
    #23604744 - 09/02/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm so glad this was in general cultivation, all of the trusted cultivators contributing information that I otherwise wouldn't have learned until I'd experimented more. Also had this been in advanced cultivation I probably wouldn't have noticed it because I had no idea what it means. Being in this side of the forum, it stood out in a sea of "how does my Monotub look". So thanks!


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Re: Vaccinating clean mushroom cultures with dead/attenuated contaminants [Re: c10h12n2o]
    #23605487 - 09/02/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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This forum is dedicated to all aspects of cultivating psychoactive mushrooms.




its definitely discouraging to see how quick people are to look for unicorns and dragons to slay, where a truly helpful response might point out the underlying principles at work and see the value in discussing those points rather than getting their rocks off by ridiculing bad ideas or misguided comments people make.




Quoted for truth. All, day, long.

Throwing in just enough teaching/information to excuse their behavior to themselves :sad: :nonono:


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Re: Vaccinating clean mushroom cultures with dead/attenuated contaminants [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23605542 - 09/02/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:blah:

Just desensitized by lack of results is all.  I'd love to change my paradigm, believe me.


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Re: Vaccinating clean mushroom cultures with dead/attenuated contaminants [Re: Inocuole]
    #23605554 - 09/02/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

"bear in mind that microbiology is a diverse field, and there are microorganisms which produce excretions/metabolites and are made up of constituents which can have fundamentally different properties from trich and its metabolites. so the possibilities of enhancing mediums are pretty much endless, and there is almost certainly some amazing things here to be discovered"

This is more what I'm leaning towards now. Countless species/varieties of bacteria, there's got to be an interesting symbiont out there.


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Re: Vaccinating clean mushroom cultures with dead/attenuated contaminants [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23605702 - 09/02/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Okay so then let's follow that train of thought. Given that there are billions of undiscovered, undescribed and untested species, it's not entirely impossible that some insane magic metabolite producing species exists. One that will beat the hell outta trich, aspergillus or bacillus, all the while leaving the cubes unaffected. When someone discovers it, figures out how to produce it while making it cheap and easy to aquire, someone send me a :pm:

Until that day I will content myself with a 97% success rate and 150% BE first flushes.


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Re: Vaccinating clean mushroom cultures with dead/attenuated contaminants [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23605721 - 09/02/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Again you talk about things I am not talking about. Almost put a disclaimer at the end of my previous post but I thought we were past this.

Key word was "interesting."


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Re: Vaccinating clean mushroom cultures with dead/attenuated contaminants [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23605769 - 09/02/16 06:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What are you talking about? You keep saying "interesting". All I want to know is how in your mind this is a valid cultivation topic?

Whatever. Seems that no matter what I say I'm just coming across as a hater. I'm gonna go make a new thread with teks, procedures, pictures and results. Also hookers n blackjack.


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Re: Vaccinating clean mushroom cultures with dead/attenuated contaminants [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23605818 - 09/02/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Let me know when it's done :rasta:


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Re: Vaccinating clean mushroom cultures with dead/attenuated contaminants [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23605832 - 09/02/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It involves mushroom cultivation... :sad:

Its very much based on what you type.

Outside of this thread I'm still a fan of everybody here, even inocuole.


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Re: Vaccinating clean mushroom cultures with dead/attenuated contaminants [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23605911 - 09/02/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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hookers n blackjack.




Agreed. The one sure thing in this thread.


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Re: Vaccinating clean mushroom cultures with dead/attenuated contaminants [Re: dankington]
    #23606090 - 09/02/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This is foolish in my opinion. Someone that can't keep a grow clean is going to do some untold extra steps right? Just stop fucking off and do it right. If you can't do that...what? Call me intellectually lazy all day this is pointless.


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Re: Vaccinating clean mushroom cultures with dead/attenuated contaminants [Re: sandy_vag] * 2
    #23606275 - 09/02/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe I have been overly hard on this idea. Ya know I was thinking that maybe the reason cubes ain't been overpowering contams is cause they don't eat enough red meat. They need more creatine in their diet. Anyone try growing on a porterhouse? Sterilize that sucker on the grill, maybe some BBQ sauce and a baked potato. Cubes love potato, I use it in my agar.

Let's do this people. Someone out there has tried it. No haters tho. Let's be objective here, it's an experiment.


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Re: Vaccinating clean mushroom cultures with dead/attenuated contaminants [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23606310 - 09/02/16 09:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

In short if you cant tell me the square root of 4 i don't expect you to tell me the square root of pi. Would you? If you can't push a dead baby in a stroller do i expect you to raise my kids? If you can't grow cubensis can you grow me some azures? The answer is no followed by pull your head out of your ass.


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Re: Vaccinating clean mushroom cultures with dead/attenuated contaminants [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23606330 - 09/02/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Maybe I have been overly hard on this idea. Ya know I was thinking that maybe the reason cubes ain't been overpowering contams is cause they don't eat enough red meat. They need more creatine in their diet. Anyone try growing on a porterhouse? Sterilize that sucker on the grill, maybe some BBQ sauce and a baked potato. Cubes love potato, I use it in my agar.

Let's do this people. Someone out there has tried it. No haters tho. Let's be objective here, it's an experiment.



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Re: Vaccinating clean mushroom cultures with dead/attenuated contaminants [Re: Inocuole]
    #23606521 - 09/02/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

so few brain cells left but cmon  :hi:


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Re: Vaccinating clean mushroom cultures with dead/attenuated contaminants [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23606565 - 09/02/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Maybe I have been overly hard on this idea. Ya know I was thinking that maybe the reason cubes ain't been overpowering contams is cause they don't eat enough red meat. They need more creatine in their diet. Anyone try growing on a porterhouse? Sterilize that sucker on the grill, maybe some BBQ sauce and a baked potato. Cubes love potato, I use it in my agar.

Let's do this people. Someone out there has tried it. No haters tho. Let's be objective here, it's an experiment.



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