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San Pedro cutting replanted
    #23549466 - 08/17/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hey Guys I'm real new too cacti and have gotten some san pedro cuttings from other member here and I'm struggling with information as too what is the best cacti soil mix for new cuttings?
Could some one please help me?
I read pages and pages but it seems all the info conflict! Ugh.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23549568 - 08/17/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I use

1 part worm castings
1 part coco coir
2 parts pumice
2 parts perlite

You want to stay away from commercial cactus mix. I haven't seen one of them that's worth it.

You can mix a commercial potting soil with equal amounts of perlite mixed in. Stay away from peat moss and wood and bark in the soil. That soil needs to be screened also to remove any big chunks of crap


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23549698 - 08/17/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Awesome thank you. And is this recipe per cati? I have 7 one year old pedro's too that need to be transplanted.

Also is there a substitute for pumice?


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23549728 - 08/17/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Things i have noticed with trichs is they can take alot of organic matter. If you got access to compost add some of that too.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23549742 - 08/17/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

By compost he's meaning real compost not manure. That's why I use worm castings.. it's pure compost. Pure compost is also called loam. Worm castings are 60 to 80 % loam


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23549806 - 08/17/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Awesome thank you. And is this recipe per cati? I have 7 one year old pedro's too that need to be transplanted.

Also is there a substitute for pumice?




That recipe can be for as much as you want the ratios are what's important. The parts used could each be a tablespoon or a dump truck. Still going to be the same mix just different quantity.

You can substitute pumice for all perlite. You can use very small lava rock, you can use very small limestone gravel..


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23549819 - 08/17/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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By compost he's meaning real compost not manure. That's why I use worm castings.. it's pure compost. Pure compost is also called loam. Worm castings are 60 to 80 % loam




You can also do composted manure.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23549868 - 08/17/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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By compost he's meaning real compost not manure. That's why I use worm castings.. it's pure compost. Pure compost is also called loam. Worm castings are 60 to 80 % loam




You can also do composted manure.





If I could find manure in a store that I believed was fully composted and not steer manure from a stall that's soaked in urine I might try that. I bet some well composted horse manure like all the shrooms growers here use would work well


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23549956 - 08/17/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Just remember any comost you use if it smells like shit it isn't composted. Compost smells like wet soil


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23550010 - 08/17/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Smells sweet. There is a company about 30 miles away that sells bags for 5 bucks. Big bag too. Then i found another vendor for them like 3 miles away. :facepalm:
Real good stuff and once i get funds ill buy another bag.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23550028 - 08/17/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Awesome thank you. And is this recipe per cati?




A part can be a trowel full, shovel full or bucket full.  Depends how much you need to make.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23550067 - 08/17/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

trichocereus pachanoi are very plant like in their needs.


get any common commercial, even cheap potting soil and add some perlite..

no need for special mumbo jumbo its an easy cactus..

except if you live in a very frosty place, and then the soil recipee will not save you from the need to protect them at winter.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: mutant]
    #23550327 - 08/17/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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trichocereus pachanoi are very plant like in their needs.





¿Qué?  I thought it WAS a plant !!!


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: mutant]
    #23550352 - 08/17/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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get any common commercial, even cheap potting soil and add some perlite..

no need for special mumbo jumbo its an easy cactus..





As I said in my original post you can use a mix of potting soil and perlite just stay away from peat moss, wood, bark. If it contains those you will run into trouble down the road.

Didn't realize anything I listed was special or mumbo jumbo. Pretty easy to find items for most people


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23550389 - 08/17/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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get any common commercial, even cheap potting soil and add some perlite..

no need for special mumbo jumbo its an easy cactus..





As I said in my original post you can use a mix of potting soil and perlite just stay away from peat moss, wood, bark. If it contains those you will run into trouble down the road.

Didn't realize anything I listed was special or mumbo jumbo. Pretty easy to find items for most people





And most commercial potting soils are based on peat, and are full of bark, wood, even sawdust. Soggy organic bulk.

Cacti much prefer a well draining, gritty compost mix with some small % of nutrition - although the stone eaters find it preferable to omit ALL organic material. 
I work quite hard to give mine a correct soil mix that they do well in.  Hardly mumbo jumbo, however - all logically thought out.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23550421 - 08/17/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah there are a few soils around that don't contain garbage where I live. I just find it easier to mix my own.

Fly you don't use any castings for your lophs?


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23550535 - 08/17/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah there are a few soils around that don't contain garbage where I live. I just find it easier to mix my own.

Fly you don't use any castings for your lophs?




10% wormcastings at the moment.  But I have ordered some kelp meal and will try some additions of that - probably next year..


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23550575 - 08/17/16 05:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah there are a few soils around that don't contain garbage where I live. I just find it easier to mix my own.

Fly you don't use any castings for your lophs?




10% wormcastings at the moment.  But I have ordered some kelp meal and will try some additions of that - probably next year..




Sweet. I'm using about that around 10% I get castings that have kelp meal and azomite dust mixed in already. Wish they sold this stuff more places it's crazy expensive online $47 a bag. I go to a nursery that has it for $15 a bag


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23551050 - 08/17/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

t.pachanoi can take any , thats what I was saying, and depending on how hot zone one's in, it likes peat as well IME and not so fast drying substrate

fast growing trichos also like 20-20-20 fert and dont mind some organic matter in the soil..

unless you in the tropics or some very cold place, then it indeed should be very free draining (more perlite, less organics, more fert)


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: mutant]
    #23551254 - 08/17/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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t.pachanoi can take any , thats what I was saying, and depending on how hot zone one's in, it likes peat as well IME and not so ast drying substrate

fast growing trichos also like 20-20-20 fert and dont mind some organic matter in the soil..

unless you in the tropics or some very cold place, then it indeed should be very free draining (more perlite, less organics, more fert)





Ever try an rewet peat? Your supposed to allow cactus soil to dry completely. When peat does that it shrinks from the sides and water rolls right off it. You can soak it from the bottom but then gets water logged and is too wet for cactus. I'm not saying they won't grow in peat just saying it isn't a good substrate for cactus in a pot

The OP wanted to know what's best for them not what will work or what's cheapest and easiest. There are reasons behind why you should avoid those 3 things if you want what's best not what they will grow in.

You can keep that 20-20-20 all my babies eat is organics.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23551388 - 08/17/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Trichos do fine in peat.

They aren't your standard desert cactus grown in limestone sands. They can also take a good deal of organic matter, moisture, and nutrients.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: El Torcho]
    #23551435 - 08/17/16 09:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Nobody is saying they won't grow in peat.. is it ideal? Peat sucks when it dries that's what I'm saying.. lol


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23551524 - 08/17/16 10:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I use 1 part peat, 1 part casting/compost mix, 2/3rds a part pumice/perlite. I add a requisite amount of dry organic fertilizers to the mix as well.


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    #23551582 - 08/17/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Cool glad that works for you. I prefer a medium that doesn't repel water to each their own. Happy growing


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    #23551634 - 08/17/16 10:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Mine seem happy.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: El Torcho]
    #23552336 - 08/18/16 06:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This is very stupid.. we dont need to have a fight on this! we could show off using out pictures at the very least...

I am not trying to be a smartass...

Trichocerei are VERY easy to grow. What's best for a newbie??  Whats ideal?? that depends on where you are .. to me avoiding unnessessary things is cool, the ideal... when I was a newbie and still now, I dont wanna mess with too much specialised soils and materials..

save this for hard to grow plants

You say the edges dry up and it creates a void where water drips. Sure.. All soils do this.. To avoid this half of the material should be sand and gravel.

People have been asking me "what soil do I use" because supposedly I have grown some pretty tricho specimens from time to time.. I alwasy replied, well I use common soil and perlite in all my plants and cacti... of course I take out peat pieces in some occasions like seed sowing or real cacti

For me the 'problem' with trichocereus cultivation is that growing so fast it needs a more and more big pot.

Honestly, trichocereus grow so easy that using specialised recippees is a waste of time..  just my opinion though..

Unless, like I said you live in a place with very extreme climate, cold or humid wise.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: mutant]
    #23552415 - 08/18/16 06:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What is specialized about my soil recipe? All items are available at garden centers. And no my soil recipe does not dry up pull from the sides or repel water when I try to water it. It also doesn't take up anymore time than having to pull big chunks out of soil and mix it with perlite.

Anyways this thread has been thrown off topic. There are many soils that will work for them so put them in what you want. You can put them in a nice clean organic soil that's full of beneficial micro organisms that help protect against rot.

You can put them in bags of commercial crap and sift through it and pull out chunks and sticks then mix it with perlite and feed it chemicals..

Either way they will grow so to the original poster the choice is yours.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: mutant]
    #23552418 - 08/18/16 06:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I never use any peat for any cacti - because it is a totally unnatural material for any of them.

The centre of my growing regime is to try to reproduce ´in habitat´ conditions as much as possible - covering compost mix, light, temperatures, watering.

So far I am very happy with my results compared with others I have seen - my cacti get a well draining, coarse grit with a low % of nutrition. I won´t bore people with exact quantities - specially as there as many favourite mixes as there are growers.  Lots of sun in summer with plenty of water - totally dry for 3 months in winter.


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    #23552745 - 08/18/16 09:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Anyone got any good pics??



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    #23552774 - 08/18/16 09:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I know you do fly.. lol... I'm at work.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23552959 - 08/18/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Okay so I think I get the point. I really appreciate everyone's help google was a huge waste of time.
I do live in a very dry and harshly cold part of the world. My yearlings have been fine (or appear to me) in just coco coir, perlite and potting soil. But I'm sure there ready to be moved to their own pots which is what I'm wanting to do now.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23552969 - 08/18/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Coco coir is where its at. Even when dry its rather wet friendly, unlike peat. The trick with peat is to not let it completely dry out and you should be fine. Remember, there are as many mixes as there are growers. And what works for you may and will not, work for me. And vice versa.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23552979 - 08/18/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Coco coir is where its at. Even when dry its rather wet friendly, unlike peat. The trick with peat is to not let it completely dry out and you should be fine. Remember, there are as many mixes as there are growers. And what works for you may and will not, work for me. And vice versa.




Yeah I agree. I leaned that working in mycology. You can only get advice in what worked best for that person in that time :shrug:
But I think I got my answer.

On another note I'm told that when I replant my cuttings I received, to not water the, for a month. But shouldn't the potting mix be somewhat wet?


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    #23553054 - 08/18/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Damp not wet


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    #23553081 - 08/18/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23555848 - 08/19/16 03:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

LOL - once people start arguing about their particular likes or dislikes in compost materials - you really kick over a can of worms.

And there are other factors important to some - my plants sit outside on my roof terrace.  In terra cotta pots with a compost that is mostly rocks - that makes them HEAVY. 
If they were in peat in plastic pots - when the wind blew they would fly everywhere.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23556049 - 08/19/16 07:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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On another note I'm told that when I replant my cuttings I received, to not water the, for a month. But shouldn't the potting mix be somewhat wet?




there's a general rule that says you not should water after replanting a cactus for a week or more, and that is leaning on the safe side. So as not to harm the roots, or root rot occur to some damaged roots during transplanting.

but when tricho cuttings have rootlets, IME its safe to water once and leave for say 7-10 days , if you are on the warm growing period of the cactus.

Rooted pachanois throw roots quite fast , for a cactus that is..

And oh, to me any soil that is not generic potting soil is specialised. but maybe I am just to lazy to bother.


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    #23557317 - 08/19/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Okay so i got more information than I asked for (which is always good) and since I have so many obviously knowledgeable minds in this thread I'm gonna ask more questions.

Should I just pick one big pot for my yearling's so I dont have to transplant later? A pot they'll spend the rest of their lives in ya know? Non of these will be harvested untill 5-7 years down the road anyway so not in a rush for any of this. I was gifted these from my master Shaman in attempt to teach me patience. But he'll be out of reach for the next year and didn't leave me any instructions (ugh!) maybe that was the plan...


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    #23557508 - 08/19/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Use the biggest fabric pot you can.

Airflow to the roots is astronomical to plastic pots. The roots are air-pruned, and fill the soil mass. They don't get root bound, eliminating the need for constant repotting


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    #23557960 - 08/19/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm going to jump in here because I agree with barracho and Fly
just because trichs grow just fine in peat based soils

why would you subject a cacti to something that it would never get in it's natural environment?

After talking with some people in South America and getting some more information on the type of soils that Trichocereus grow in the wild
I've decided to even forego coir from my mix
because while a cactus would never grow in a peat bog
it would also not grow on coir

the mix I'm now going to start playing with contains black earth "humus" with 10-20% worm castings, a bit of coffee, and 50% drainage in the form of sharp gravel and perlite

it's very rich but the humus dries really quickly, especially with all the rocks and perlite

I'm trying to get a source on "zeolite" it's the closest thing to pumice I think I'll be able to get in my area

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    #23558585 - 08/19/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

EB Stone's Cactus Mix is the best straight out of the bag Cactus mix I've ever found. I still lighten it up a bit with some perlite but there's lots of quality gravel and other minerals in there, it's a heavy soil.


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    #23558614 - 08/19/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You got my hopes up mallacht, this stuff really works for you? Seems worse than a lot of stuff I've used, all that bark

Fir Bark, Lava Rock, Canadian Sphagnum Peat Moss, Sand and Aged Redwood

3 out of 5 of those things I would never give to my cacti,
they're potting soil is almost better imo

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    #23558629 - 08/19/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't really notice the bark that much. There's Lava Rock, Sand, and Volcanic Pumice.

I do typically add some coco as well. I do that to all soils though so I didn't think to mention it.

It's a cactus man, they'll really grow in any soil. I grow them commercially and one of the dudes I do business with just plants them straight in ground. His are just as thick if not thicker than a lot of mine. Which, really sucks because several of my in-ground plots I really put a lot of time/money into the soils. :/


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    #23558641 - 08/19/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Sticking them in ground. Classic. My dad does that and tou should see how big the crests are in the ground at his house. Gonna be beasts.


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    #23558887 - 08/20/16 12:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I used eb stone when I first started this. I changed though because I would go to water them and water would roll right off the top. It was difficult to get moist had to water from the bottom.

I then switched to black gold cactus mix and it seemed better but still contained bark. Wasn't happy about that so I started making my own. To tell you the truth it was a bigger upfront investment to make my own. But if I were to combine all the bags of ingredients i have i would have a lot mores soil. I think it might even be cheaper.


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    #23559264 - 08/20/16 06:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Really? It's been cheaper since I started mixing my own soil
60kg sharp gravel 3$
3 big bags of black earth 10$
Worm casts are free
Brick of coir is 15$ but I've already had that
And the 4cu ft bag of perlite was 40$ but I had that already as well
Hoping to replace perlite with zeolite soon

The fafards cactus mix is the one I used to get, was pretty good but 8$ for 10L, just not ergonomical

You're right though to get all that stuff is definitely a bigger investment at first, but it has been worth it to make my own peatless mix

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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: the_r3dz]
    #23559520 - 08/20/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I find all these comments amusing, to say the least...

lol and noone replied to the dude's question.

dude these are among the easiest cacti to grow, you can put lots of 1-year old seedlings in one pot sure, no problem, for a while

I propably have a totally different perspective than others, but trichocereus grow quick, they get rootbound a lot, so eventually its best each cactus gets its own big pot or go to the ground

you cant place them in a big enough container. they will rootbound any fucking pot

PS: you can safely ignore all of these suggestions and use the cheapest potting soil plus some perlite, these guys are soil obsessives and trichocereus is not a needy thingy, it only needs lots of water and soon enough ferts or replanting..


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    #23559665 - 08/20/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

1. I am not soil obsessive. We all are at one point in trying to grow them well. But you know what they grow themselves.

2. This smartass has touted rock for small globulars since forever. Ephedra and e novo are different.

And 3. Simple coco coir from a pet store and perlite works wonders for cacti. Alone. :awetongue:

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    #23559683 - 08/20/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I find all these comments amusing, to say the least...

lol and noone replied to the dude's question.

dude these are among the easiest cacti to grow, you can put lots of 1-year old seedlings in one pot sure, no problem, for a while

I propably have a totally different perspective than others, but trichocereus grow quick, they get rootbound a lot, so eventually its best each cactus gets its own big pot or go to the ground

you cant place them in a big enough container. they will rootbound any fucking pot

PS: you can safely ignore all of these suggestions and use the cheapest potting soil plus some perlite, these guys are soil obsessives and trichocereus is not a needy thingy, it only needs lots of water and soon enough ferts or replanting..


PS2: hay question for you smartasses, if you know so much about soil, what soil do you use for the real hard to grow cacti or hard to grow plants, like ephedra, e.novo ... what do you use for xerophytic plants, what do you use for turbinicarpus and aztekium??






I answered his question. And they won't get root bound in a fabric pot, at least any time comparable to plastic. :wink:


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    #23559768 - 08/20/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Really? It's been cheaper since I started mixing my own soil
60kg sharp gravel 3$
3 big bags of black earth 10$
Worm casts are free
Brick of coir is 15$ but I've already had that
And the 4cu ft bag of perlite was 40$ but I had that already as well
Hoping to replace perlite with zeolite soon

The fafards cactus mix is the one I used to get, was pretty good but 8$ for 10L, just not ergonomical

You're right though to get all that stuff is definitely a bigger investment at first, but it has been worth it to make my own peatless mix

I'm doing a write up on it just need to add pictures to it in my journal





Yeah that's what I was saying mixing mt own I think is cheaper, plus I know all the ingredients going into it are suited better for the application. I'm sure I could have continued to use commercial stuff with crap in it but I chose not to


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    #23560314 - 08/20/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Lol okay guys so should I get a fabric pot or not?


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    #23560374 - 08/20/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think they are a good idea the only thing is they aren't as durable. I use terra cotta myself.

Air-pots are the way to go. Does the same as fabric but sturdier.. they are expensive though.looks way cheaper to buy 6 at a time. Not sure what sizes you need amazon has all of them might want to check ebay

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00HZULXT0/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1471730697&sr=8-2&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=air-pot&dpPl=1&dpID=515FXLLk1mL&ref=plSrch


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    #23560379 - 08/20/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Lol okay guys so should I get a fabric pot or not?




I once bought a large fabric pot when I was growing outdoor cannabis.  To be quite honest, I found no advantage over a plastic pot the same size.


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    #23560390 - 08/20/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Fly the only advantage is supposed to be that you can put a bigger plant in a smaller pot.. not a big deal to me either lol that's why I use terra cotta


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    #23560425 - 08/20/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Okay cause I already have 5 gallon buckets from pot growing. This has been a really educational thread thanks everyone! :woodscream:


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    #23560430 - 08/20/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This thing was called an airpot - lot of advertising hype about how the roots interacted with the pot.  As I say, I found no advantage over a plastic pot.

For all my cacti I use terracotta anyway - but those are way smaller pots.


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    #23560448 - 08/20/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I can't imagine they have much benefit for outdoor plants,
but if you have an operation with 10-12 plants indoors in a tent or something fabric pots are superior

Those airpots are very interesting...ungodly expensive
I think I could make my own, how important do you think it is that the holes in the side have those weird nipples?
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    #23560460 - 08/20/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They have those nipples so the roots that come out only get air and not light.. pretty fancy with a price tag to match. I like terra cotta they are porous help the roots breathe and change color when they are wet. You can tell by looking at them if the soil is still wet


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    #23560471 - 08/20/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Are we still on the subject of cacti?


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    #23560506 - 08/20/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

My cat is currently growing these San Pedro. Is it worth cutting up and trying? I've experimented with many substances but not San Pedro mesc. I hear nausea is inevitable


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    #23560512 - 08/20/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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you can trim the roots without unpotting




Yep I do that with my mother plants for growing my ganja...


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    #23560522 - 08/20/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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    #23560542 - 08/20/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So lost. Lol I'm just gonna go put my cuttings in coco coir, pumice, dirt and worm castings in a god damn plastic pot!


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    #23560551 - 08/20/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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you can trim the roots without unpotting




Yes that was part of the advertising hype - the roots came through the pot - OK my pot was 100 litres - but the roots didn´t grow through the fabric for me.  Made the whole thing a bit pointless.
I would prefer my roots to be surrounded by compost sucking up nutrition anyway.  The adage - Bigger the roots, bigger the shoots - is so true for cannabis growing.  Why trim off part of your valuable root system?


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    #23560687 - 08/20/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

EL Torcho>> sorry

I did NOT catch it the first time. Interesting you mention they dont get rootbound in the fabric pots.

I think fabric pots are awesome, you can even water them sideways, but they're expensive.

Which type of pot, how many liters, what soil, it depends in a lot of stuff. The general location but the specific location the cacti are going to sit.. How many you have, how much you wanna bother, etc etc. 

I am not naysaying these substrates you mention, it's just that I found that at the end Trichocerei grow in anything and they grow in plain dirt too if you plant them in the ground and leave them. They propagate easily, they pup / branch a lot. Only takes a little patience.

If you got one, it's easy to pamper, but if you get the flu and getting more and more, you just leave them be, mine end up rootbound all the time and then is the time they seem to wanna flower.

peat is bad for slow growing cacti, but they're ok in a soil mix for trichocerei or other fast growing columnars with fat roots.


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    #23560935 - 08/20/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I used to grow a strain of cannabis that would always start to yellow at random times. I tried everything the experts on forums told me, and nothing seemed to help on a repeated basis. I finally figure out it was the pots. At the time I was transplanting 2 or 3 times during a cycle into continually larger plastic pots. As soon as the roots hit the bottom of the plastic pot and began to circle, the leaves would start to yellow.
Wasn't until I switched to fabric pots that the yellowing stopped. They make a difference in root growth. They allow more airflow to the roots, which is also what the perlite you all are debating the perfect ratio does, along with drainage. Airflow isn't even comparable to plastic pots. Sorry.

And I've had smart pots going on 8 years now, in use continually. They weigh less than terra cotta and I can roll them up, throw, or drop them and they don't break. Not sure how terra cotta is more durable. And they take as much room as a folded t shirt to store extras. I would use terra cotta for the mexican desert cacti, but not trichos.

The reason root rot happens isn't solely because the soil was 'too moist too long' . . . it mainly has to do with there isn't enough oxygen in your soil so the conditions turn anaerobic and nasty microbes dominate the soil mix.



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    #23561959 - 08/21/16 01:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

For cacti I use only terracotta - Long Toms for cacti with deep tap roots.  But each to their own.


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    #23561967 - 08/21/16 01:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I found my very first long tom pot today. Was actually called that and everything, I didn't believe they existed this side of the pond
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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: the_r3dz]
    #23562133 - 08/21/16 05:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Torcho, I second that about the clay pots. They are good for slow growers and even then, I dont use perlite in a clay pot, I just take out the peat... But other people swear by them... Colder, more humid places go better with clay.

Once I was a newb myself and found a couple lophos in a local nursery and along with some other slow growers I planted in clay pots, in a mixture or cactus soil (mostly sand) perlite, gravel, and maybe very little soil.. For two years they didn't grow at all!! When I repotted them I saw the roots were burning all the fucking time. So yeah my cacti are exposed to the elements, extreme sun in summer, rain at winter.

My lophos are in plastic too. 

All me trichocerei are in plastic pots, even myrti breasts, trichocereus pasacana, taquimbalensis, scopulicola, peruvianus they are all exposed to rain every winter, many years now...

Clay would be best for cooler/colder places or for winter.

I wonder about spanishfly who is in a similar climate to me - well I guess he is in a colder place. And the substrate must play a role I guess.

Trichocereus pachanoi aint no cactus and if you dont put enough food in the substrate its not gonna grow as fast as it can.


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    #23562176 - 08/21/16 05:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I wonder about spanishfly who is in a similar climate to me -.




Well you don´t actually tell us what climate you are in so who would know.  I am in a Mediterranean climate - hot dry summers with warm wet winters and westerly winds.

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    #23562720 - 08/21/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I wonder if it's true what they say about spanish fly.. Do you attract a lot of ladies?


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    #23562751 - 08/21/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I wonder if it's true what they say about spanish fly.. Do you attract a lot of ladies?




No. I´m gay.


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    #23562765 - 08/21/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well women loves gay dudes so I'm sure you attract many of them


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    #23562808 - 08/21/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I was only joking - as Mrs Fly will confirm - I hope !!!!LOL


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    #23562840 - 08/21/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's ok man, we all have secrets.. lol jk


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It's ok man, we all have secrets.. lol jk




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    #23562867 - 08/21/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Are we still on the subject of cacti?




you guys are cute and all that...but what happened to this thread :rofl2:


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    #23562874 - 08/21/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ummm. Sure we are talking about cactus. Do you have homosexual cacti?


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Give me a mo - I will ask them.


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    #23562899 - 08/21/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I know most of mine are very phallic shaped


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    #23562902 - 08/21/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:bonghit:

do trichos have male and female plants like cannabis?
or is that a perennial thing?

if I remember correctly the natives of Mexico considered peyote to be male and teonanacatl (shrooms) to be female,
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    #23562905 - 08/21/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't believe they have a gender. I would say male though because of their shape lol


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    #23562935 - 08/21/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

None of mine are very penis-ey :frown:


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    #23562940 - 08/21/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hmmmm icaro looks phallic when they are young



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    #23562948 - 08/21/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Some of the tbm looks just like cock lol


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    #23562951 - 08/21/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ooh here's mine!

yours is a beaut man hope mine grows to look that purdy

no perlite or drainage in your soil?


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    #23562968 - 08/21/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That was the seedling soil it was shipped to me in... here it is today



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    #23562979 - 08/21/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Phew!
Had me worried there bro, I remember our soil discussion and I was like  :uhhnothanks: that can't be his soil

Is that a top dressing or are you rocking like 70% drainage?


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    #23562984 - 08/21/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

75% man.. I hate to have them wet.


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    #23562986 - 08/21/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Oh sorry thinking of my lophs.. that's 66 % rock. 33% castings and coir mixed equal


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    #23562988 - 08/21/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Damn giving them that hard grown treatment!
I was close though.
Do you have to water constantly?

I use 50% for my trichs and 90% for lophs


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    #23562996 - 08/21/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I water once a week. They do just fine..


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    #23563011 - 08/21/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

have you shown us any pictures of all your plants together?


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    #23563025 - 08/21/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Unfortunately no I'm calousing two of my biggest pups right now that are a hybrid of unknown Peruvianus and pachanoi. All I know is this plant is potent.. mother plant is believed to be dead


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    #23563035 - 08/21/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

it's a good thing you are carrying on the genetics then!


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    #23563045 - 08/21/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah this one is special. A little bit of alcohol extract and I was able to see the universe for all it contained. How everything revolves around a single star and how everything in existence plays a role in how everything has a reaction in this circle of life.. very eye opening..

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    #23563193 - 08/21/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

LOL what a crack up. This has been great.


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    #23563220 - 08/21/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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75% man.. I hate to have them wet.




Wetter the better. :wink:

I only use about 15% of perlite/pumice in my mix. I also mulch with various organic goodies to feed/keep the soil even more moist. I live in an area that averages 4" of rain a month. I use fabric pots though.

So if my math is correct, if I had two pots one with my soil mix one with yours, my soil would have 2.5 as much actual 'active' soil content. And that's using your 67/33 numbers.


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    #23563235 - 08/21/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You obviously didn't read my post right after that.. and good for you man glad you found a system that works for you. Happy growing man.. not everyone has to copy you it isn't the recipe for success. Pay more for undesirable contents in your soil it doesn't matter to me.

My mix offers organic fert to the mix plus micro nutrients from the stone.. feed the your 20-20-20. Even more money you spent on "being lazy"


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    #23563282 - 08/21/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I find it funny how you say soil doesn't matter they will grow in anything but yet your arguing soil content right now.. thought it doesn't matter bro. You don't need anything specialized just a bag of crap and some perlite


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I find it funny how you say soil doesn't matter they will grow in anything but yet your arguing soil content right now.. thought it doesn't matter bro. You don't need anything specialized just a bag of crap and some perlite




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    #23563400 - 08/21/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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feed the your 20-20-20.





:canthelpbutlaugh:

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    #23563417 - 08/21/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yesterday I whipped up 2 different "cactus mixes" that are way better than anything you could get in a bag
only took a couple seconds since I keep buckets of premix around, a bucket of premixed humus/worm castings, some prepped coir, and a stone/perlite bucket

only problem is that my coir got wet in the rain so now I have to dry the whole mix before I use it...

one is a mix I use for my nonpsychedelic cacti that I don't care about as much, 6/2/2 coir/humus/worm castings 4/4 perlite/sharp stone
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    #23563431 - 08/21/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Scoop of coffee?


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    #23563438 - 08/21/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah cacti love vanilla french roast.


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    #23563448 - 08/21/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Little nitrogen booster. Dried spent coffee grounds
got them from a coffeeshop before they closed

http://extension.oregonstate.edu/lane/sites/default/files/documents/cffee07.pdf


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    #23563615 - 08/21/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Sweet. Never tried it I know you can feed them to worms to make that sweet compost they digest


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    #23564687 - 08/22/16 12:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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I find all these comments amusing, to say the least...

lol and noone replied to the dude's question.

dude these are among the easiest cacti to grow, you can put lots of 1-year old seedlings in one pot sure, no problem, for a while

I propably have a totally different perspective than others, but trichocereus grow quick, they get rootbound a lot, so eventually its best each cactus gets its own big pot or go to the ground

you cant place them in a big enough container. they will rootbound any fucking pot

PS: you can safely ignore all of these suggestions and use the cheapest potting soil plus some perlite, these guys are soil obsessives and trichocereus is not a needy thingy, it only needs lots of water and soon enough ferts or replanting..


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I don't really notice the bark that much. There's Lava Rock, Sand, and Volcanic Pumice.

I do typically add some coco as well. I do that to all soils though so I didn't think to mention it.

It's a cactus man, they'll really grow in any soil. I grow them commercially and one of the dudes I do business with just plants them straight in ground. His are just as thick if not thicker than a lot of mine. Which, really sucks because several of my in-ground plots I really put a lot of time/money into the soils. :/






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    #23564996 - 08/22/16 03:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Size and overall health are not necessarily synonymous.


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    #23565157 - 08/22/16 06:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Haha


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    #23565171 - 08/22/16 07:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thats an extremely well articulated response.


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    #23565178 - 08/22/16 07:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Alright you two...
you're both pretty

and neither of your soil mixes are great :lmafo:
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    #23565232 - 08/22/16 07:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

R3dz I figured out we are just feeding the troll here. The OP got the message and sounds like he knows what direction to go. There too much contradiction going on in here to even continue this crazy argument


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Name calling isn't allowed. But it's the tactic of people who have no idea what they are talking about.


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    #23565343 - 08/22/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ok buddy... have a good one


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Likewise.


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    #23566430 - 08/22/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

There's a reason why so many people have switched over to the Facebook groups like "Trichocereus Appreciation Group" and "The Trichocereus Community" - to name a couple ... It's not so much of a pissing contest. People over there acknowledge that there's more than one way to skin a cat and don't argue over petty shit like this.


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    #23566510 - 08/22/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Cool.

You're also selling shit, so there's that.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: El Torcho]
    #23566520 - 08/22/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Cool.

You're also selling shit, so there's that.




Selling shit? I'm not sure what you mean. Through facebook? I have a facebook page for my business, yes. But I'm not sure how that applies to the idea I was talking about... That there is more than one way to skin a cat and that there isn't a reason to get all controversial about everything. Calm discussion among equals is more what the FB groups  are about, that's all I was getting at.

And I've also been a sponsor on here until recently, and probably will run an ad again soon. So I'm still not sure what you mean by "selling shit" as it applies to facebook.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: theMallacht]
    #23566527 - 08/22/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Just pointing out you're in this for profit.


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    #23566539 - 08/22/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I was just trying to give advice like anyone else in this thread man. How that is going to sell something I'm not sure...

There's no reason someone can't make money doing what they love.

I kind of ended up falling into this. Like a lot of you, around 10+ years ago now I started obsessively collecting cactus. At one point you kind of either have to start selling them or giving them away and I figured, as I still figure to this day, that if I offer fair prices to people for what I'm offering and a quality product, then there shouldn't be any negative feelings in any way.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: theMallacht]
    #23566574 - 08/22/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

My ideas aren't well regarded on this forum. There's a serious lack of true living organic knowledge on this forum. I wasn't trying to be a dick, but I still stand by my statement where size doesn't automatically equate to true overall plant health, wherein I think your qualm lies.


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    #23566588 - 08/22/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Conjecture isn't inherently bad. Me and r3dz is cool, me and barracho have made peace. It's all good in the hood.


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    #23566590 - 08/22/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No one was spreading conjecture. I'm probably one of the few vendors that actually has a degree in horticulture. You don't know me so please do not judge me in any way.


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    #23566591 - 08/22/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Likewise.


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    #23566595 - 08/22/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No offense, but I bet you're horticulture degree is nothing more than an education in which synthetics to use.


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    #23566599 - 08/22/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Wow, you're obviously confrontational. If my perfectly reasonable thoughts were just taken as "Oh I'll have to check out those FB groups as another means of information :smile: Thanks" As they were meant to me taken than none of this talk would have happened in the first place. You obviously like derailing threads. I never judged you, you were the one that claimed what I was saying is conjecture, which is rumor based on no facts... Which isn't even the right word to use here considering that everything I said is based on actual experience and facts.


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    #23566604 - 08/22/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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No offense, but I bet you're horticulture degree is nothing more than an education in which synthetics to use.


Oh, shit. I've been drinking.

I'm signing off yo. . . .




Synthetics? My main horticulture teacher was COMPLETELY against synthetics. See, there you go with your assuming, judgmental thoughts dude. Keep them to yourself.


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    #23566607 - 08/22/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

And you can't just say no offense in front of anything and it's taken non-offensively, :lol: That's not how that works.

Also you're probably 18 so I don't know why I'm even bothering arguing with you when I can just .... where's that block button? Oh there it is...


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: theMallacht]
    #23566662 - 08/22/16 05:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hey no offense, but the other member on here with a link to your Web page is just about the same as you. Coincidence?


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    #23566685 - 08/22/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Simple Definition of conjecture
: an opinion or idea formed without proof or sufficient evidence




http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conjecture

eg, a poster on an anonymous forum about drugs.


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    #23566746 - 08/22/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

boy , call me a pervert, but I love a good drama

Torcho I think I like you.

Spanishfly, I am in southern greece dude, similar to yr climate like I said, so I wondered how you manage to use clay pots with fast growing cacti like trichos. Maybe I did not explain myself so well. The answer is propably you use a better 'quality' substrate which you feed periodically.

As far as what I was trying to say,
I was adressing to the OP, and the original question

that trichocereus pachanoi and similar species are among the EASIEST cacti to grow, and for a beginer, using something simple would be the commonest choice.

I believe that rules are only relative in horticulture, and that it depends on a wide variety of things , climate, position, soil, container  all that shit but also , the character of the cultivator.. the style of gardening each one of us employs, especially when managing many plants is very different...

and I mentioned that t.pachanoi can take 20-20-20 fert. I didnt say I do it... I remember when I put 20-20-20 to some lopho on tricho and cereus grafts, and the scions split it a dramatic way.  but regular columns can take it alright. I suppose its a good solution when youρ trichos are root bound but you cannot bother to up-pot ....

Torcho, I hope you are wrong about this place not having people with specialised horticulture knowledge... well you ARE wrong, there are some fine people here, like stonehedge whose posts about e.nov brought me back to this place.... and also ephedra, who some say it should be treated like a cactus seedling at first, as it seems its me special year with this plant.

Peace, and dont be too much of a smartass unless you indeed know the other guy is not smart or knowledgeable enough..

PS: when giving advice, you should ask the dude that asks whats the climate he lives in... at the very least..

whatever the case,
there's some serious attitude in this thread... I dig it.. bring it on!

PS2:

heres a trichocereus pachanoi crest, a biggy that is, its some 2 years or more in that pot, no more than 30 liters.. my problem is repotting, not substrate, but maybe this is just me...

the reason that its yellow and ill looking is the extreme sun, the root bound situation etc.. you could fix it by watering twice a day or placing it in a shadier spot during the heat - but of course I dont do that... :cool:



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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: mutant]
    #23566794 - 08/22/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I will stand to say that milktruck and mallacht or two different people.
not sure why you're bashing mallacht, he's got nice plants for a good price
and I've never seen him post any misinformation in the time that I've been here.

Why are you being so hostile man,
I feel like people in the EBG start drinking and then get real hostile with people real quick
is that what happens to you in real life when you drink?
do you get in a lot of fights?

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    #23566812 - 08/22/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Mallacht is almost neighbors with me lol.. he's had an add up on craigslist in my area for quite some time with his cactus on it.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23568110 - 08/23/16 03:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't need a third party chiming in when another member has me confused with someone else, and we've already worked it out. It just keeps it going when it should be dead and none of his business anyways.

If you sell stuff that the forum is dedicated to, your post deserve to be scrutinized. Especially when you're trying to drive people to other sites.


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    #23568131 - 08/23/16 04:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Spanishfly, I am in southern greece dude, similar to yr climate like I said, so I wondered how you manage to use clay pots with fast growing cacti like trichos. 
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I do not grow trichos.  Sure I come to the thread and take an interest in what others are doing, but my main interest is in Mexican desert cacti.  Good luck.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: El Torcho]
    #23568231 - 08/23/16 06:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't need a third party chiming in when another member has me confused with someone else, and we've already worked it out. It just keeps it going when it should be dead and none of his business anyways.

If you sell stuff that the forum is dedicated to, your post deserve to be scrutinized. Especially when you're trying to drive people to other sites.





Wtf? Chiming in? I'm not involved in your rant. I talked about a totally different subject. This is forum. Yeah I confused you with someone else.. my bad dude. Him being in my neck of the woods has nothing to do with you. So by all means rant away if that's what you would like to do. Have a good one man. Please don't drag me into your hate speach


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23568242 - 08/23/16 06:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You need to read slower so you can understand the point of a message and stop causing so much strife. I was talking about him chiming in, NOT YOU.


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    #23568596 - 08/23/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I will stand to say that milktruck and mallacht or two different people.
not sure why you're bashing mallacht, he's got nice plants for a good price
and I've never seen him post any misinformation in the time that I've been here.

Why are you being so hostile man,
I feel like people in the EBG start drinking and then get real hostile with people real quick
is that what happens to you in real life when you drink?
do you get in a lot of fights?

Relax :mob:




Someone is trying to say that milktruck and I are the same person? Is that what I'm gathering here? Milktruck is a good friend of mine, we're friends on FB as well. He lives quite far from me though and we are definitely not the same person. :lol:

Thanks, I do have nice plants for a good price. Something I pride myself on, all the while always taking customer comments into consideration, and always improving :smile:

Yes I never post misinformation because I HATE CONJECTURE! I really do... Any time I'm about to post something if I think it's even slightly incorrect I immediately open another page and fact check it. It's really not that hard. It's like that time everyone was saying all over various forums, I think even on here, that Fox Farm had been bought out by Monsanto. I did one quick google search and immediately came up with an email to the company someone had written where an official rep for the company said that it was completely NOT true and that it was all unfounded rumors.

Yes, I feel like this too, about the alcohol thing. There's no reason to get hostile in general, particularly while drinking. I've always been a happy drunk myself but I come from a family of disgruntled, angry alcoholics so I definitely understand the dynamic.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: theMallacht]
    #23568660 - 08/23/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not offended that you sell cuttings from your plants. We need more vendors with true genetics. I hate shopping on eBay because most listings just say san pedro cuttings.. no background on it. Did they come from home depot or are these cutting from some real pachanoi?

I didn't hear you trying to sell anything. Nowhere did you say you need to buy my plants. To tell you the truth I wouldn't have even noticed you did until Torcho pointed it out lol.. now I found out your a short drive away from me. That's cool.


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    #23568687 - 08/23/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

JacobStorm is probably saying to himself.. holy shit that's the last time I ask a question in this forum. Lol


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    #23568721 - 08/23/16 10:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah we should probably just get this thread closed at this point
This is what happened to milktrucks post
Derailed by bickering

And mallacht was just pointing out that the Facebook groups are better (which they definitely are) and you jumped on him

Time to apologize torcho :lmafo:


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    #23568805 - 08/23/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not offended that you sell cuttings from your plants. We need more vendors with true genetics. I hate shopping on eBay because most listings just say san pedro cuttings.. no background on it. Did they come from home depot or are these cutting from some real pachanoi?

I didn't hear you trying to sell anything. Nowhere did you say you need to buy my plants. To tell you the truth I wouldn't have even noticed you did until Torcho pointed it out lol.. now I found out your a short drive away from me. That's cool.




Not to mention the fact that I've been on here giving advice and learning from my fellow growers/gardeners/horiculturists since long before I had a cactus website. I've always sold on the side on Craigslist just to keep them from falling over my walls but I just started the website back in May and it's only been taking off and getting popular in the last few months


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: theMallacht]
    #23568925 - 08/23/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Apologize for what? Some user berating me based on what someone else said? Or the other radom people who pile it on when I defend myself?

Its not me who needs to apologize. Barracho already did apologize and I thought we buried the hatchet, which is why it's kinda pansy shit ass hat style for someone else to jump back in.

And conjecture is the proper word to use. We are debating soil preferences. Unless you have tried an infinite number of soils and an infinite number of growing conditions, all you're doing is giving your opinion of what has worked for you. Hence, conjecture.

This whole thread has been a bashing of anyone who recommends peat by 3 or 4 members. You all are spreading incorrect information that peat is bad for trichos. Which is a fallacy. Exactly what milktruck did, not accept other people's opinions and come off with a my shit don't smell attitude. Re read my posts in this thread and tell me where I'm the instigator and not the respondent to someone who won't accept another opinion.  . . . I'll be waiting.


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    #23568933 - 08/23/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re read my posts in this thread and tell me where I'm the instagator and not the respondent to someone who won't accept another opinion.  . . . I'll be waiting.




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    #23568947 - 08/23/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Figure of speech.


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    #23572164 - 08/24/16 08:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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There's a reason why so many people have switched over to the Facebook groups like "Trichocereus Appreciation Group" and "The Trichocereus Community" - to name a couple ... It's not so much of a pissing contest. People over there acknowledge that there's more than one way to skin a cat and don't argue over petty shit like this.




I've noticed this about the shroomery as a whole. In fact it used too really grind my gears, but over the time I've spent here I've found it to be a good thing.
I could tell you the best way too grow cacti is plant it in the toilet water tank, and because everyone respects my opinions it isnt corrected. But because the shroomery has members like it does, hardly any (if any at all) miss information slips through. So I always feel like I'm getting the right and best answer the shroomery has too offer at that time.


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    #23572807 - 08/24/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I've noticed this about the shroomery as a whole. In fact it used too really grind my gears, but over the time I've spent here I've found it to be a good thing.
I could tell you the best way too grow cacti is plant it in the toilet water tank, and because everyone respects my opinions it isnt corrected. But because the shroomery has members like it does, hardly any (if any at all) miss information slips through. So I always feel like I'm getting the right and best answer the shroomery has too offer at that time.




And there don´t seem to be that many regular people here nowadays either.  Maybe I should try the Facebook community.


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    #23572898 - 08/24/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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This whole thread has been a bashing of anyone who recommends peat by 3 or 4 members. You all are spreading incorrect information that peat is bad for trichos. Which is a fallacy. Exactly what milktruck did, not accept other people's opinions and come off with a my shit don't smell attitude. Re read my posts in this thread and tell me where I'm the instigator and not the respondent to someone who won't accept another opinion.  . . . I'll be waiting.





To clear this up yes I'm against peat moss. I never said it was bad for trichs. I don't like peat moss because of peatmoss. It sucks to rewet, it shrinks and turns hard as a rock, once you do get it wet again it seems to hold too much moisture.

Never did I say it was bad for plants, I said there are better mediums out there such as coir. A renewable resource that makes a great medium and at the same time isn't destroying the world's peat bogs.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23575506 - 08/25/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I've noticed this about the shroomery as a whole. In fact it used too really grind my gears, but over the time I've spent here I've found it to be a good thing.
I could tell you the best way too grow cacti is plant it in the toilet water tank, and because everyone respects my opinions it isnt corrected. But because the shroomery has members like it does, hardly any (if any at all) miss information slips through. So I always feel like I'm getting the right and best answer the shroomery has too offer at that time.




And there don´t seem to be that many regular people here nowadays either.  Maybe I should try the Facebook community.




With as often as new members that are reprimanded or simply abused by our older more knowledgeable members its no wonder we dont keep new members for long. I found the shroomery through mycopita another mycology website because some other members were on there talking about how harsh and rude the shroomery members were. But I came over to the shroomery I'm not sure why lol. I guess I like it here. But I do think its a problem but not sure how it could change I've only been a member for over a year and I still feel im not allowed to help other members with issues because some huge egotistic member will come along and put me down. I see in the Anonymous thread there are more and more members asking mycology questions from fear of ridicule or being belittled.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23596485 - 08/31/16 06:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

^^^^

hey dude maybe consider shaman australis forum (the coroboree) , its the cactus place to be. people are wonderful and its not a sponsored based forum.

but in any case, trichocereus pachanoi (yes i will say it once more) is so easy to grow, you dont really need any help, especially some of the 'opinions' offered in here, which eventualy were not even refering to trichocereus. lol


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: mutant]
    #23596534 - 08/31/16 06:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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hey dude maybe consider shaman australis forum (the coroboree) , its the cactus place to be. people are wonderful and its not a sponsored based forum.






If you had actually been there you would have seen me there  - using the same name.


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