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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: the_r3dz]
    #23558585 - 08/19/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

EB Stone's Cactus Mix is the best straight out of the bag Cactus mix I've ever found. I still lighten it up a bit with some perlite but there's lots of quality gravel and other minerals in there, it's a heavy soil.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: theMallacht]
    #23558614 - 08/19/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You got my hopes up mallacht, this stuff really works for you? Seems worse than a lot of stuff I've used, all that bark

Fir Bark, Lava Rock, Canadian Sphagnum Peat Moss, Sand and Aged Redwood

3 out of 5 of those things I would never give to my cacti,
they're potting soil is almost better imo

Aged Fir Bark, Sphagnum Peat Moss, Aged Redwood, Volcanic Pumice, Earthworm Castings, Washed Sand, Kelp Meal, Bat Guano, Feather Meal, Gypsum and Mycorrhizae

but yaknow, different strokes and all that


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: the_r3dz]
    #23558629 - 08/19/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't really notice the bark that much. There's Lava Rock, Sand, and Volcanic Pumice.

I do typically add some coco as well. I do that to all soils though so I didn't think to mention it.

It's a cactus man, they'll really grow in any soil. I grow them commercially and one of the dudes I do business with just plants them straight in ground. His are just as thick if not thicker than a lot of mine. Which, really sucks because several of my in-ground plots I really put a lot of time/money into the soils. :/


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: theMallacht]
    #23558641 - 08/19/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Sticking them in ground. Classic. My dad does that and tou should see how big the crests are in the ground at his house. Gonna be beasts.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23558887 - 08/20/16 12:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I used eb stone when I first started this. I changed though because I would go to water them and water would roll right off the top. It was difficult to get moist had to water from the bottom.

I then switched to black gold cactus mix and it seemed better but still contained bark. Wasn't happy about that so I started making my own. To tell you the truth it was a bigger upfront investment to make my own. But if I were to combine all the bags of ingredients i have i would have a lot mores soil. I think it might even be cheaper.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23559264 - 08/20/16 06:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Really? It's been cheaper since I started mixing my own soil
60kg sharp gravel 3$
3 big bags of black earth 10$
Worm casts are free
Brick of coir is 15$ but I've already had that
And the 4cu ft bag of perlite was 40$ but I had that already as well
Hoping to replace perlite with zeolite soon

The fafards cactus mix is the one I used to get, was pretty good but 8$ for 10L, just not ergonomical

You're right though to get all that stuff is definitely a bigger investment at first, but it has been worth it to make my own peatless mix

I'm doing a write up on it just need to add pictures to it in my journal


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: the_r3dz]
    #23559520 - 08/20/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I find all these comments amusing, to say the least...

lol and noone replied to the dude's question.

dude these are among the easiest cacti to grow, you can put lots of 1-year old seedlings in one pot sure, no problem, for a while

I propably have a totally different perspective than others, but trichocereus grow quick, they get rootbound a lot, so eventually its best each cactus gets its own big pot or go to the ground

you cant place them in a big enough container. they will rootbound any fucking pot

PS: you can safely ignore all of these suggestions and use the cheapest potting soil plus some perlite, these guys are soil obsessives and trichocereus is not a needy thingy, it only needs lots of water and soon enough ferts or replanting..


PS2: hay question for you smartasses, if you know so much about soil, what soil do you use for the real hard to grow cacti or hard to grow plants, like ephedra, e.novo ... what do you use for xerophytic plants, what do you use for turbinicarpus and aztekium??



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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: mutant]
    #23559665 - 08/20/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

1. I am not soil obsessive. We all are at one point in trying to grow them well. But you know what they grow themselves.

2. This smartass has touted rock for small globulars since forever. Ephedra and e novo are different.

And 3. Simple coco coir from a pet store and perlite works wonders for cacti. Alone. :awetongue:

Is that simple enoigh for you mutant? :takingnotes:


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: mutant]
    #23559683 - 08/20/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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mutant said:
I find all these comments amusing, to say the least...

lol and noone replied to the dude's question.

dude these are among the easiest cacti to grow, you can put lots of 1-year old seedlings in one pot sure, no problem, for a while

I propably have a totally different perspective than others, but trichocereus grow quick, they get rootbound a lot, so eventually its best each cactus gets its own big pot or go to the ground

you cant place them in a big enough container. they will rootbound any fucking pot

PS: you can safely ignore all of these suggestions and use the cheapest potting soil plus some perlite, these guys are soil obsessives and trichocereus is not a needy thingy, it only needs lots of water and soon enough ferts or replanting..


PS2: hay question for you smartasses, if you know so much about soil, what soil do you use for the real hard to grow cacti or hard to grow plants, like ephedra, e.novo ... what do you use for xerophytic plants, what do you use for turbinicarpus and aztekium??






I answered his question. And they won't get root bound in a fabric pot, at least any time comparable to plastic. :wink:


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: the_r3dz]
    #23559768 - 08/20/16 11:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Really? It's been cheaper since I started mixing my own soil
60kg sharp gravel 3$
3 big bags of black earth 10$
Worm casts are free
Brick of coir is 15$ but I've already had that
And the 4cu ft bag of perlite was 40$ but I had that already as well
Hoping to replace perlite with zeolite soon

The fafards cactus mix is the one I used to get, was pretty good but 8$ for 10L, just not ergonomical

You're right though to get all that stuff is definitely a bigger investment at first, but it has been worth it to make my own peatless mix

I'm doing a write up on it just need to add pictures to it in my journal





Yeah that's what I was saying mixing mt own I think is cheaper, plus I know all the ingredients going into it are suited better for the application. I'm sure I could have continued to use commercial stuff with crap in it but I chose not to


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23560314 - 08/20/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Lol okay guys so should I get a fabric pot or not?


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23560374 - 08/20/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think they are a good idea the only thing is they aren't as durable. I use terra cotta myself.

Air-pots are the way to go. Does the same as fabric but sturdier.. they are expensive though.looks way cheaper to buy 6 at a time. Not sure what sizes you need amazon has all of them might want to check ebay

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00HZULXT0/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1471730697&sr=8-2&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=air-pot&dpPl=1&dpID=515FXLLk1mL&ref=plSrch


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23560379 - 08/20/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Lol okay guys so should I get a fabric pot or not?




I once bought a large fabric pot when I was growing outdoor cannabis.  To be quite honest, I found no advantage over a plastic pot the same size.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23560390 - 08/20/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Fly the only advantage is supposed to be that you can put a bigger plant in a smaller pot.. not a big deal to me either lol that's why I use terra cotta


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23560425 - 08/20/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Okay cause I already have 5 gallon buckets from pot growing. This has been a really educational thread thanks everyone! :woodscream:


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23560430 - 08/20/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This thing was called an airpot - lot of advertising hype about how the roots interacted with the pot.  As I say, I found no advantage over a plastic pot.

For all my cacti I use terracotta anyway - but those are way smaller pots.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23560448 - 08/20/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I can't imagine they have much benefit for outdoor plants,
but if you have an operation with 10-12 plants indoors in a tent or something fabric pots are superior

Those airpots are very interesting...ungodly expensive
I think I could make my own, how important do you think it is that the holes in the side have those weird nipples?
Pretty sure drilling a bunch of holes into a bucket would supply the same effect :lol:


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: the_r3dz]
    #23560460 - 08/20/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They have those nipples so the roots that come out only get air and not light.. pretty fancy with a price tag to match. I like terra cotta they are porous help the roots breathe and change color when they are wet. You can tell by looking at them if the soil is still wet


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: the_r3dz]
    #23560471 - 08/20/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah I can't imagine they have much benefit for outdoor plants,
but if you have an operation with 10-12 plants indoors in a tent or something fabric pots are superior






I remain unconvinced.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23560492 - 08/20/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

you can trim the roots without unpotting


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