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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23551388 - 08/17/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Trichos do fine in peat.

They aren't your standard desert cactus grown in limestone sands. They can also take a good deal of organic matter, moisture, and nutrients.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: El Torcho]
    #23551435 - 08/17/16 09:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Nobody is saying they won't grow in peat.. is it ideal? Peat sucks when it dries that's what I'm saying.. lol


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23551524 - 08/17/16 10:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I use 1 part peat, 1 part casting/compost mix, 2/3rds a part pumice/perlite. I add a requisite amount of dry organic fertilizers to the mix as well.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: El Torcho]
    #23551582 - 08/17/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Cool glad that works for you. I prefer a medium that doesn't repel water to each their own. Happy growing


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23551634 - 08/17/16 10:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Mine seem happy.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: El Torcho]
    #23552336 - 08/18/16 06:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This is very stupid.. we dont need to have a fight on this! we could show off using out pictures at the very least...

I am not trying to be a smartass...

Trichocerei are VERY easy to grow. What's best for a newbie??  Whats ideal?? that depends on where you are .. to me avoiding unnessessary things is cool, the ideal... when I was a newbie and still now, I dont wanna mess with too much specialised soils and materials..

save this for hard to grow plants

You say the edges dry up and it creates a void where water drips. Sure.. All soils do this.. To avoid this half of the material should be sand and gravel.

People have been asking me "what soil do I use" because supposedly I have grown some pretty tricho specimens from time to time.. I alwasy replied, well I use common soil and perlite in all my plants and cacti... of course I take out peat pieces in some occasions like seed sowing or real cacti

For me the 'problem' with trichocereus cultivation is that growing so fast it needs a more and more big pot.

Honestly, trichocereus grow so easy that using specialised recippees is a waste of time..  just my opinion though..

Unless, like I said you live in a place with very extreme climate, cold or humid wise.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: mutant]
    #23552415 - 08/18/16 06:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What is specialized about my soil recipe? All items are available at garden centers. And no my soil recipe does not dry up pull from the sides or repel water when I try to water it. It also doesn't take up anymore time than having to pull big chunks out of soil and mix it with perlite.

Anyways this thread has been thrown off topic. There are many soils that will work for them so put them in what you want. You can put them in a nice clean organic soil that's full of beneficial micro organisms that help protect against rot.

You can put them in bags of commercial crap and sift through it and pull out chunks and sticks then mix it with perlite and feed it chemicals..

Either way they will grow so to the original poster the choice is yours.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: mutant]
    #23552418 - 08/18/16 06:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I never use any peat for any cacti - because it is a totally unnatural material for any of them.

The centre of my growing regime is to try to reproduce ´in habitat´ conditions as much as possible - covering compost mix, light, temperatures, watering.

So far I am very happy with my results compared with others I have seen - my cacti get a well draining, coarse grit with a low % of nutrition. I won´t bore people with exact quantities - specially as there as many favourite mixes as there are growers.  Lots of sun in summer with plenty of water - totally dry for 3 months in winter.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23552745 - 08/18/16 09:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Anyone got any good pics??



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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23552774 - 08/18/16 09:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I know you do fly.. lol... I'm at work.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23552959 - 08/18/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Okay so I think I get the point. I really appreciate everyone's help google was a huge waste of time.
I do live in a very dry and harshly cold part of the world. My yearlings have been fine (or appear to me) in just coco coir, perlite and potting soil. But I'm sure there ready to be moved to their own pots which is what I'm wanting to do now.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23552969 - 08/18/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Coco coir is where its at. Even when dry its rather wet friendly, unlike peat. The trick with peat is to not let it completely dry out and you should be fine. Remember, there are as many mixes as there are growers. And what works for you may and will not, work for me. And vice versa.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23552979 - 08/18/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

ferrel_human said:
Coco coir is where its at. Even when dry its rather wet friendly, unlike peat. The trick with peat is to not let it completely dry out and you should be fine. Remember, there are as many mixes as there are growers. And what works for you may and will not, work for me. And vice versa.




Yeah I agree. I leaned that working in mycology. You can only get advice in what worked best for that person in that time :shrug:
But I think I got my answer.

On another note I'm told that when I replant my cuttings I received, to not water the, for a month. But shouldn't the potting mix be somewhat wet?


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23553054 - 08/18/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Damp not wet


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23553081 - 08/18/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Okay got it. :thumbup:


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23555848 - 08/19/16 03:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

LOL - once people start arguing about their particular likes or dislikes in compost materials - you really kick over a can of worms.

And there are other factors important to some - my plants sit outside on my roof terrace.  In terra cotta pots with a compost that is mostly rocks - that makes them HEAVY. 
If they were in peat in plastic pots - when the wind blew they would fly everywhere.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23556049 - 08/19/16 07:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

On another note I'm told that when I replant my cuttings I received, to not water the, for a month. But shouldn't the potting mix be somewhat wet?




there's a general rule that says you not should water after replanting a cactus for a week or more, and that is leaning on the safe side. So as not to harm the roots, or root rot occur to some damaged roots during transplanting.

but when tricho cuttings have rootlets, IME its safe to water once and leave for say 7-10 days , if you are on the warm growing period of the cactus.

Rooted pachanois throw roots quite fast , for a cactus that is..

And oh, to me any soil that is not generic potting soil is specialised. but maybe I am just to lazy to bother.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: mutant]
    #23557317 - 08/19/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Okay so i got more information than I asked for (which is always good) and since I have so many obviously knowledgeable minds in this thread I'm gonna ask more questions.

Should I just pick one big pot for my yearling's so I dont have to transplant later? A pot they'll spend the rest of their lives in ya know? Non of these will be harvested untill 5-7 years down the road anyway so not in a rush for any of this. I was gifted these from my master Shaman in attempt to teach me patience. But he'll be out of reach for the next year and didn't leave me any instructions (ugh!) maybe that was the plan...


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23557508 - 08/19/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Use the biggest fabric pot you can.

Airflow to the roots is astronomical to plastic pots. The roots are air-pruned, and fill the soil mass. They don't get root bound, eliminating the need for constant repotting


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: El Torcho]
    #23557960 - 08/19/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm going to jump in here because I agree with barracho and Fly
just because trichs grow just fine in peat based soils

why would you subject a cacti to something that it would never get in it's natural environment?

After talking with some people in South America and getting some more information on the type of soils that Trichocereus grow in the wild
I've decided to even forego coir from my mix
because while a cactus would never grow in a peat bog
it would also not grow on coir

the mix I'm now going to start playing with contains black earth "humus" with 10-20% worm castings, a bit of coffee, and 50% drainage in the form of sharp gravel and perlite

it's very rich but the humus dries really quickly, especially with all the rocks and perlite

I'm trying to get a source on "zeolite" it's the closest thing to pumice I think I'll be able to get in my area

just so this isn't a boring wall of text here is my first subject of my soil trials,

these seedlings have no coir in their mix, and at the end of the season I'm going to pot all of these guys into the same mix


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