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San Pedro cutting replanted
    #23549466 - 08/17/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hey Guys I'm real new too cacti and have gotten some san pedro cuttings from other member here and I'm struggling with information as too what is the best cacti soil mix for new cuttings?
Could some one please help me?
I read pages and pages but it seems all the info conflict! Ugh.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23549568 - 08/17/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I use

1 part worm castings
1 part coco coir
2 parts pumice
2 parts perlite

You want to stay away from commercial cactus mix. I haven't seen one of them that's worth it.

You can mix a commercial potting soil with equal amounts of perlite mixed in. Stay away from peat moss and wood and bark in the soil. That soil needs to be screened also to remove any big chunks of crap


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23549698 - 08/17/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Awesome thank you. And is this recipe per cati? I have 7 one year old pedro's too that need to be transplanted.

Also is there a substitute for pumice?


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23549728 - 08/17/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Things i have noticed with trichs is they can take alot of organic matter. If you got access to compost add some of that too.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23549742 - 08/17/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

By compost he's meaning real compost not manure. That's why I use worm castings.. it's pure compost. Pure compost is also called loam. Worm castings are 60 to 80 % loam


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23549806 - 08/17/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Awesome thank you. And is this recipe per cati? I have 7 one year old pedro's too that need to be transplanted.

Also is there a substitute for pumice?




That recipe can be for as much as you want the ratios are what's important. The parts used could each be a tablespoon or a dump truck. Still going to be the same mix just different quantity.

You can substitute pumice for all perlite. You can use very small lava rock, you can use very small limestone gravel..


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23549819 - 08/17/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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By compost he's meaning real compost not manure. That's why I use worm castings.. it's pure compost. Pure compost is also called loam. Worm castings are 60 to 80 % loam




You can also do composted manure.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23549868 - 08/17/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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By compost he's meaning real compost not manure. That's why I use worm castings.. it's pure compost. Pure compost is also called loam. Worm castings are 60 to 80 % loam




You can also do composted manure.





If I could find manure in a store that I believed was fully composted and not steer manure from a stall that's soaked in urine I might try that. I bet some well composted horse manure like all the shrooms growers here use would work well


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23549956 - 08/17/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Just remember any comost you use if it smells like shit it isn't composted. Compost smells like wet soil


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23550010 - 08/17/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Smells sweet. There is a company about 30 miles away that sells bags for 5 bucks. Big bag too. Then i found another vendor for them like 3 miles away. :facepalm:
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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23550028 - 08/17/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Awesome thank you. And is this recipe per cati?




A part can be a trowel full, shovel full or bucket full.  Depends how much you need to make.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: JacobStorm]
    #23550067 - 08/17/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

trichocereus pachanoi are very plant like in their needs.


get any common commercial, even cheap potting soil and add some perlite..

no need for special mumbo jumbo its an easy cactus..

except if you live in a very frosty place, and then the soil recipee will not save you from the need to protect them at winter.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: mutant]
    #23550327 - 08/17/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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trichocereus pachanoi are very plant like in their needs.





¿Qué?  I thought it WAS a plant !!!


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: mutant]
    #23550352 - 08/17/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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get any common commercial, even cheap potting soil and add some perlite..

no need for special mumbo jumbo its an easy cactus..





As I said in my original post you can use a mix of potting soil and perlite just stay away from peat moss, wood, bark. If it contains those you will run into trouble down the road.

Didn't realize anything I listed was special or mumbo jumbo. Pretty easy to find items for most people


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23550389 - 08/17/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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get any common commercial, even cheap potting soil and add some perlite..

no need for special mumbo jumbo its an easy cactus..





As I said in my original post you can use a mix of potting soil and perlite just stay away from peat moss, wood, bark. If it contains those you will run into trouble down the road.

Didn't realize anything I listed was special or mumbo jumbo. Pretty easy to find items for most people





And most commercial potting soils are based on peat, and are full of bark, wood, even sawdust. Soggy organic bulk.

Cacti much prefer a well draining, gritty compost mix with some small % of nutrition - although the stone eaters find it preferable to omit ALL organic material. 
I work quite hard to give mine a correct soil mix that they do well in.  Hardly mumbo jumbo, however - all logically thought out.


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23550421 - 08/17/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah there are a few soils around that don't contain garbage where I live. I just find it easier to mix my own.

Fly you don't use any castings for your lophs?


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Barracho]
    #23550535 - 08/17/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah there are a few soils around that don't contain garbage where I live. I just find it easier to mix my own.

Fly you don't use any castings for your lophs?




10% wormcastings at the moment.  But I have ordered some kelp meal and will try some additions of that - probably next year..


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23550575 - 08/17/16 05:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah there are a few soils around that don't contain garbage where I live. I just find it easier to mix my own.

Fly you don't use any castings for your lophs?




10% wormcastings at the moment.  But I have ordered some kelp meal and will try some additions of that - probably next year..




Sweet. I'm using about that around 10% I get castings that have kelp meal and azomite dust mixed in already. Wish they sold this stuff more places it's crazy expensive online $47 a bag. I go to a nursery that has it for $15 a bag


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23551050 - 08/17/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

t.pachanoi can take any , thats what I was saying, and depending on how hot zone one's in, it likes peat as well IME and not so fast drying substrate

fast growing trichos also like 20-20-20 fert and dont mind some organic matter in the soil..

unless you in the tropics or some very cold place, then it indeed should be very free draining (more perlite, less organics, more fert)


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Re: San Pedro cutting replanted [Re: mutant]
    #23551254 - 08/17/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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t.pachanoi can take any , thats what I was saying, and depending on how hot zone one's in, it likes peat as well IME and not so ast drying substrate

fast growing trichos also like 20-20-20 fert and dont mind some organic matter in the soil..

unless you in the tropics or some very cold place, then it indeed should be very free draining (more perlite, less organics, more fert)





Ever try an rewet peat? Your supposed to allow cactus soil to dry completely. When peat does that it shrinks from the sides and water rolls right off it. You can soak it from the bottom but then gets water logged and is too wet for cactus. I'm not saying they won't grow in peat just saying it isn't a good substrate for cactus in a pot

The OP wanted to know what's best for them not what will work or what's cheapest and easiest. There are reasons behind why you should avoid those 3 things if you want what's best not what they will grow in.

You can keep that 20-20-20 all my babies eat is organics.


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