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Psilanthropist
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paracelsusgold said: i see you have found that article i wrote years ago in new york.
Indeed we have, sir. I hope that an individual with your life experience can be somewhat understanding of your initially skeptical reception. As others have already mentioned, this forum is an arena where we engage in discussion of the most efficient means to commit a known illegal activity (I did not intend to insinuate that you yourself were part of such a pursuit, so I apologize for any offense). When an unknown individual comes in making bold claims, it can be slightly unnerving.
If you are who you say you are, and I tend to believe you are (that would be an obscure individual to impersonate, although perhaps therein lies the genius of it), then you are owed a great deal of respect and acknowledgement as at least a pioneer of the current incarnation of this community. You sought to share your personal experiences, while at a minimum being associated with individuals known for their dalliances with psychedelics, in a time when doing so from your mom’s basement while maintaining relative anonymity was not possible (apart from the use of a pseudonym). You also did so in a time of Reagan, Just Say No, and increased incarceration rates for drug law offenses. For these few reasons, we should applaud you.
I hope you hang around so that we may learn from your experience. I also think you will be somewhat awed by the current methods and results of the current pioneers.
Cheers to you, Ron K.!
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Kenetic
Nam Sayin



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Re: tin foil not necessary or even desirable to include [Re: paracelsusgold]
#23550403 - 08/17/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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paracelsusgold said: dear folks you do not need nor is it desirable to utlilize tinfoil not only because of what it is made of but also it is just not necessary. sincerely ron k.
You remind me of the High Septon on Game of Thrones.....
Lies! Lies I say!
Also....care to elaborate?
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cronicr



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Re: tin foil not necessary or even desirable to include [Re: Kenetic]
#23550417 - 08/17/16 04:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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i can't remember the last time i used foil lol
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paracelsusgold

Registered: 08/15/16
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Re: cleanliness, attention to detail, proper facilities to name a few [Re: natedawgnow]
#23550429 - 08/17/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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i considered myself to be a political prisoner thenQuote:
natedawgnow said: Hey ron! It's easier to understand who you are replying to if you hit the "quote" button at the top right of the users post. It is right next to the button that says "reply"
It will quote their text and you can reply to it that way they know you are referring to their post!
Awesome to have you in the community! What is your library listed as on ebay?
Although you cant link it here i'd still like to check it out if i can!
nate thanks for the info. i do have some rather expensive ethnobotanical stuff on ebay. i can tell you what they are if you are interested. books by wasson for one.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: tin foil not necessary or even desirable to include [Re: cronicr]
#23550444 - 08/17/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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cronicr said: i can't remember the last time i used foil lol
Its cause yer slacking on the print lotto
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Kenetic
Nam Sayin



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Re: tin foil not necessary or even desirable to include [Re: cronicr]
#23550456 - 08/17/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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cronicr said: i can't remember the last time i used foil lol
care to elaborate?
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d0urd3n
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Re: tin foil not necessary or even desirable to include [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23550466 - 08/17/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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cronicr said: i can't remember the last time i used foil lol
Its cause yer slacking on the print lotto 
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bodhisatta 
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Re: tin foil not necessary or even desirable to include [Re: Kenetic]
#23550469 - 08/17/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Use synthetic filter disks on your jar lids. No foil needed to PC
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paracelsusgold

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Re: tin foil not necessary or even desirable to include/more [Re: Kenetic]
#23550471 - 08/17/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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kenetic said:
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paracelsusgold said: dear folks you do not need nor is it desirable to utlilize tinfoil not only because of what it is made of but also it is just not necessary. sincerely ron k.
You remind me of the High Septon on Game of Thrones.....
Lies! Lies I say!
Also....care to elaborate?
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kenetic said:
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paracelsusgold said: dear folks you do not need nor is it desirable to utlilize tinfoil not only because of what it is made of but also it is just not necessary. sincerely ron k.
You remind me of the High Septon on Game of Thrones.....
Lies! Lies I say!
Also....care to elaborate?
dear kinetic: the best type of a top for the mason jar is a special filter that goes into the metal lid and allows the mycelium to breathe. if the proper formula is used for water and grain then there is no need to have tinfoil to preserve moisture. also tinfoil is made from aluminum and you would not want to use any aluminum at all as it is toxic and poisonous and it should not be used for anything at all to include pans etc.
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cronicr



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Re: tin foil not necessary or even desirable to include [Re: Kenetic]
#23550473 - 08/17/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said:
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cronicr said: i can't remember the last time i used foil lol
Its cause yer slacking on the print lotto 

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cronicr said: i can't remember the last time i used foil lol
care to elaborate?
you only need ot fpor cakes and cellulose sfd's, synthetic sfds are fine and poly and tyvek are as well they come out of the pc dry as a bone
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Kenetic
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Re: tin foil not necessary or even desirable to include/more [Re: paracelsusgold]
#23550521 - 08/17/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not trying to be rude at all but that's a terrible answer. I want to know "why", not "just because".
what is a "special filter"? I use synthetic filter discs.
I highly doubt aluminum foil is contaminating my jars through the sealed lid and filter.
I also highly doubt that you are who you say you are. All of the info in your profile is publicly available, and you don't seem like an experienced and knowledgeable cultivator.
Feel free to prove me wrong.
Edit: You also think we use tin foil to preserve moisture. ???
-------------------- Todo Cambia    DMT said: Everyone know's me, they just don't know it yet
Edited by Kenetic (08/17/16 04:49 PM)
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paracelsusgold

Registered: 08/15/16
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Psilanthropist said:
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paracelsusgold said: i see you have found that article i wrote years ago in new york.
Indeed we have, sir. I hope that an individual with your life experience can be somewhat understanding of your initially skeptical reception. As others have already mentioned, this forum is an arena where we engage in discussion of the most efficient means to commit a known illegal activity (I did not intend to insinuate that you yourself were part of such a pursuit, so I apologize for any offense). When an unknown individual comes in making bold claims, it can be slightly unnerving.
If you are who you say you are, and I tend to believe you are (that would be an obscure individual to impersonate, although perhaps therein lies the genius of it), then you are owed a great deal of respect and acknowledgement as at least a pioneer of the current incarnation of this community. You sought to share your personal experiences, while at a minimum being associated with individuals known for their dalliances with psychedelics, in a time when doing so from your mom’s basement while maintaining relative anonymity was not possible (apart from the use of a pseudonym). You also did so in a time of Reagan, Just Say No, and increased incarceration rates for drug law offenses. For these few reasons, we should applaud you.
I hope you hang around so that we may learn from your experience. I also think you will be somewhat awed by the current methods and results of the current pioneers.
Cheers to you, Ron K.!
dear psil thanks very much for your kindness. what is this about my mom's basement all about? the problem i was faced with is that nelson rockefeller had many very strict laws installed when he was governor of new york regarding drugs and i was charged with an A felony. the judge also did not like me as my hair is long and he was making a name for himself. you are right that i am not that familiar with the newer techniques but i got along fine with the old ones. steve peele at that time was the only person in this country to be able to legally grow cubensis. we used to communicate by written letter and i still have all his correspondences which were quite a few over a period of four years. stay in touch.
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cronicr



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Re: tin foil not necessary or even desirable to include/more [Re: Kenetic]
#23550525 - 08/17/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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kenetic said: I'm not trying to be rude at all but that's a terrible answer. I want to know "why", not "just because".
what is a "special filter"? I use synthetic filter discs.
I highly doubt aluminum foil is contaminating my jars through the sealed lid and filter.
I also highly doubt that you are who you say you are. All of the info in your profile is publicly available, and you don't seem like an experienced and knowledgeable cultivator.
Feel free to prove me wrong.
i'm about to feel free to just give ya the boot.
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paracelsusgold

Registered: 08/15/16
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herrenvolk said: Hello, Ron K what fruit trees do you grow? I like fruit trees too.
dear folks i have been growing fruit trees for many years not only at my 32 acre homestead in nw arkansas but also here in georgia. all kinds. i grow figs peaches pears pomegranates persimmons plums.
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paracelsusgold

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Re: tin foil not necessary or even desirable to include/more [Re: cronicr]
#23550547 - 08/17/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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cronicr said:
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kenetic said: I'm not trying to be rude at all but that's a terrible answer. I want to know "why", not "just because".
what is a "special filter"? I use synthetic filter discs.
I highly doubt aluminum foil is contaminating my jars through the sealed lid and filter.
I also highly doubt that you are who you say you are. All of the info in your profile is publicly available, and you don't seem like an experienced and knowledgeable cultivator.
Feel free to prove me wrong.
i'm about to feel free to just give ya the boot.
dear folks do what you you feel comfortable with. the filters are made of rather thicker type of paper and they used to be readily available and used by most i believe. if you want to use tinfoil and you think it is a good idea then be my guest. also why would i lie about anything that i would post here and what benefit could that do for me? peace and light to you.
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Rooster Cogburn
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Re: tin foil not necessary or even desirable to include/more [Re: paracelsusgold]
#23550554 - 08/17/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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They still are in use, that guy was being rude to you and cronicr was telling him to watch it. Keep it up man! Love to hear what you have to say, and we don't use tinfoil usually on grain jars with the filters like you are saying, or at least dont have to use them.
Edited by Rooster Cogburn (08/17/16 05:02 PM)
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paracelsusgold

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paracelsusgold said: i see you have found that article i wrote years ago in new york.
Indeed, it was a pleasure to read. As was your first post. It's incredible that you were able to acquire the skills needed to cultivate mushrooms through postal correspondence, especially back then.
If you ran into something you weren't sure of or that was not explained well enough, how did you proceed? Place everything on hold until you heard back from Steve or try to work it out on your own until you heard back?
Thank you for joining us!
thanks alot and i was constantly faced with challenges as i was making compost and i had very large specialized compost piles and i had outdoor and indoor facilities. i was experimenting alot with straw only compost also. i was also experimenting with the rarest strains. i had a larger ceramic tile grow room with separate boxes.
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Psychedel.EXE
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Re: tin foil not necessary or even desirable to include/more [Re: Kenetic]
#23550584 - 08/17/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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kenetic said: Edit: You also think we use tin foil to preserve moisture. ???
Isn't it? In the PC, if you are using a filter type that requires foil (like cellulose filters, or BRF cakes with a dry verm layer), the foil is in place to keep the water/condensation out. So yea, foil preserves the correct moisture content.
Ron K, I look forward to hearing your experiences in mushroom cult. Don't let some of the people around here scare you away from sharing on this forum. Good vibes
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paracelsusgold

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Re: Ron K For President [Re: cronicr]
#23550585 - 08/17/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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cronicr said: are entirely dependent upon a mushrooms being oriented perfectly upright, with the gills or other hymenophoral elements being completely parallel to the vector of Earths gravity. Since spores fall along a gravitational vector, any deviation of hymenophore alignment from the normal will lead to an increased number of spores becoming entrapped within the gills. At the beginning of the last century, the eminent fungal physiologist AHR Buller observed that when a basidiocarp of Agaricus campestris was tilted a mere 5° from the normal, spore dispersal was cut in half. Clearly, a mushroom must have a way of keeping its hymenophoral elements aligned to the normal. However, mushrooms are incapable of locomotion and cannot simply move their gills into the correct position. Mushrooms deal with this problem in a similar way as do plants, through mechanisms known as tropic responses. In a tropic response, the organism grows toward or away from a stimulus rather than moving toward or away from it. Tropic responses include phototropism (response to light), gravitropism (response to gravity), thigmotropism (response to touch or contact), hydrotropism (response to water), and many other such responses. Tropic responses can be either positive (growing toward the stimulus) or negative (growing away from it). At first, mushroom primordia grow perpendicularly away from the surface from which they arise, independently of the direction of light or gravity, a response that may be some kind of negative thigmotropism or negative hydrotropism Soon after emergence, gravitropic and (in some species) phototropic responses become active. The majority of mushroom species exhibit growth that is negatively gravitropic along the stipe and positively gravitropic in the hymenophore. If a mushroom is tilted from the normal, it will grow in such a way that a bend will develop in the stipe until the mushroom is again realigned. This bending is key to the gravitropic response - once the mushroom stipe is aligned away from the normal for a specific time interval (an interval known as the presentation time, which varies from one species to another), the hyphae on the lower surface of an apical zone on the stipe begin to elongate more rapidly than those of the upper surface, leading to bending of the stem and ultimately the correction of the mushrooms alignment. In the last decade, it has been discovered that this response actually has two parts involving two apical zones. The initial bending response, which originates at the base of the stipe, often overcompensates and by itself would tend to leave mushrooms tilted in a direction opposite to the initial misalignment. There is therefore a curvature compensation growth response which takes place in the upper part of the stipe - this represents a fine adjustment and serves to better align the stipe with the normal. The positively gravitropic response of the hymenophoral elements represent a further layer of fine adjustment. Other tropic responses may modify a mushrooms gravitropic growth. Most mushrooms have some kind of negative thigmotropic response, so that if a mushroom encounters an object as it is growing, responses such as stipe bending, bifurcation, or change in the pattern of pileus growth will cause the mushroom to grow out of the way of the object. (This in contrast to fungi such as Hydnellum that are characterized by indeterminate growth and simply envelop foreign objects within the fruiting body.) Many lignicolous and coprophilous species show strong positive phototropism throughout their fruiting cycle, a response that overrides the gravitropic response. (In one experiment, a Polyporus brumalis basidiocarp was illuminated from below - the stipe curved 180°, resulting in an upsidePage 2 Mycena News, March, 2003 Mycomorphology Continued from page 1 down pileus with tubes growing upward.) How can we be sure that a mushrooms main tropic responses are in fact responses to gravity? The most obvious way is to deprive them of gravity by placing them in the microgravity conditions of spaceflight. Such an experiment was, in fact, carried out in 1993 when cultures of Flammulina velutipes were sent into orbit on the joint Space Shuttle Columbia/Spacelab D-2 mission. These cultures produced fruiting bodies with a random orientation, while similar control cultures on Earth produced regular verticallyaligned fruiting bodies. Since it is clear that mushrooms respond to gravity, how then do they sense it? How do they know up from down? At present, this is largely unknown, though it has been surmised from what is known about the gravity-sensing mechanisms of animals and plants that it probably involves some kind of statolith. A statolith is an organ or cellular organelle that is more dense than its surrounding matrix and hence tends to exert pressure along a gravitational vector. This pressure is sensed by a network of fibers, hairs, cytoskeletal elements, or the like, which transmit this impulse, and ultimately trigger an ionic, hormonal, or nervous signal. Our bodies have a complex system of statoliths in our inner ears. This vestibular system consists of small calcium carbonate-filled sacs known as otoliths that are surrounded by a network of nerves and fibers known as the maculae. Pressure on the macula generates nerve impulses, and these signals, when processed by the brain, give us our sense of balance. Vertical and horizontal movements are detected by separate otoliths, known as the saccule and the utricle, respectively. (There are also non-otolithic vestibular organs which contribute to the sensation of movement.) Plant root cells contain starch granules that act as statoliths - the pressure gradient of these granules upon the plasma membrane is thought to in some way trigger a reaction which leads to the differential distribution of auxin in the root, which stimulates the upper surface to elongate more rapidly, bending the root downward.
dear folks give me some time to digest this ok
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Psilanthropist
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Registered: 06/23/16
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paracelsusgold said:
what is this about my mom's basement all about?
Ha! I was not referring to you, but rather a small minority of the members of this forum. They're usually the most vociferous and nasty as well. One of the things you'll have to figure out is how these dang kids talk these days.
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...i got along fine with the old ones
I have no doubt you did, but as an extremely new member to this community myself, I understand that cultivation knowledge and techniques evolve quite rapidly. Things have changed quite a bit just within the last 15 years. The pace of change can be somewhat detrimental as well, as outdated knowledge is continuously dredged up and proliferated by noobs like myself. Ironically, I think you would benefit from checking out The Noob Forum https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/235 and particularly this thread https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21448273 .
You should also check out http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek. RogerRabbit is the man most responsible for the vast majority of the latest mush cult knowledge found throughout the site.
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