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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: twighead]
    #23547367 - 08/16/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Not accepting a wage is freedom, not them victmizing us.

Yu are speaking theoretically, not in realistic economic terms


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23547381 - 08/16/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

As I see it, wage depression by the means I laid out is very real already. Hence why income has not risen in tandem with productivity - while the wages of the corporate elite have skyrocketed simultaneously. Sure you have the freedom to deny it, but when you're entangled into a 1.5-2k$/monthly obligation , can you afford to deny their even paltry offer - if it is all one has? And then it's 60+hr  weeks to just survive.




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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: twighead]
    #23547391 - 08/16/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Tell it! :congrats:


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: twighead]
    #23547407 - 08/16/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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As I see it, wage depression by the means I laid out is very real already. Hence why income has not risen in tandem with productivity - while the wages of the corporate elite have skyrocketed simultaneously. Sure you have the freedom to deny it, but when you're entangled into a 1.5-2k$/monthly obligation , can you afford to deny their even paltry offer - if it is all one has? And then it's 60+hr  weeks to just survive.





And why do think wages haven't kept up with productivity?  Legal and illegal immigration, and globalization.  It's simple supply and demand at work, my father didn't get 10% annual wage hikes in the 1960's and 70's because they were nicer in that era.

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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: twighead]
    #23547419 - 08/16/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I can see where you are coming from. I made a low wage at walmart./ If you arent bringing in profit, you shouldnt be payed extravigantly though


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: qman]
    #23547420 - 08/16/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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As I see it, wage depression by the means I laid out is very real already. Hence why income has not risen in tandem with productivity - while the wages of the corporate elite have skyrocketed simultaneously. Sure you have the freedom to deny it, but when you're entangled into a 1.5-2k$/monthly obligation , can you afford to deny their even paltry offer - if it is all one has? And then it's 60+hr  weeks to just survive.





And why do think wages haven't kept up with productivity?  Legal and illegal immigration, and globalization.  It's simple supply and demand at work, my father didn't get 10% annual wage hikes in the 1960's and 70's because they were nicer in that era.



And all of those things are specifically the result of government/corporate collusion. TPP/NAFTA etc. being the prime models. Protection of the corporation, over the worker in nearly every instance possible.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: twighead]
    #23547428 - 08/16/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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As I see it, wage depression by the means I laid out is very real already. Hence why income has not risen in tandem with productivity - while the wages of the corporate elite have skyrocketed simultaneously. Sure you have the freedom to deny it, but when you're entangled into a 1.5-2k$/monthly obligation , can you afford to deny their even paltry offer - if it is all one has? And then it's 60+hr  weeks to just survive.





And why do think wages haven't kept up with productivity?  Legal and illegal immigration, and globalization.  It's simple supply and demand at work, my father didn't get 10% annual wage hikes in the 1960's and 70's because they were nicer in that era.



And all of those things are specifically the result of government/corporate collusion. TPP/NAFTA etc. being the prime models. Protection of the corporation, over the worker in nearly every instance possible.




"government/corporate collusion"

That's true, but they can't control a tight domestic labor market, open borders and the shipping of jobs has killed the labor markets.

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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23547431 - 08/16/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I can see where you are coming from. I made a low wage at walmart./ If you arent bringing in profit, you shouldnt be payed extravigantly though



No not extravagantly, but if one follows the trend of skyrocketing productivity akin to income - it does not match up - a worker now has approx 150% value of a worker in 1970.. and yet - his pay is in real terms essentially the same (which then ran against the simultaneously rising consumer/rent prices, is in practice - vastly less to work with)


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: qman]
    #23547448 - 08/16/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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twighead said:
As I see it, wage depression by the means I laid out is very real already. Hence why income has not risen in tandem with productivity - while the wages of the corporate elite have skyrocketed simultaneously. Sure you have the freedom to deny it, but when you're entangled into a 1.5-2k$/monthly obligation , can you afford to deny their even paltry offer - if it is all one has? And then it's 60+hr  weeks to just survive.





And why do think wages haven't kept up with productivity?  Legal and illegal immigration, and globalization.  It's simple supply and demand at work, my father didn't get 10% annual wage hikes in the 1960's and 70's because they were nicer in that era.



And all of those things are specifically the result of government/corporate collusion. TPP/NAFTA etc. being the prime models. Protection of the corporation, over the worker in nearly every instance possible.




"government/corporate collusion"

That's true, but they can't control a tight domestic labor market, open borders and the shipping of jobs has killed the labor markets.



Those jobs were shipped off because the barriers to exporting labor and importing said foreign manufactured goods became so low... due to those free trade agreements. And as far as immigration, the govt can step in and tighten that whenever it feels like. However - immigration may not be as big of a deal if it wasn't for the first point with the free trade agreements killing the jobs that would otherwise need the influx of immigrant labor and B) the unwillingness of the govt to seriously prosecute businesses which operate similar to an out of country low-wage operation on home turf using illegal labor.

If those two issues are tackled - specifically the first -  the US presumably has enough domestic growth to fuel competitive wages and jerb creation, which would negate hopefully much of the negative influence of immigration and even with time turn it into a positive influence as it was in days past.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: twighead]
    #23547450 - 08/16/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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small government cant be overtaken by corperations



Small government just leads to corporations taking over the entire society. Small government means companies can pollute, can commit fraud, can form monopolies.

I would rather have a larger government taking care of needs over private, profit driven corporations doing so. Certain things should not be left to free market, profit and loss calculations: healthcare, national and local security, roads, schools, fire departments.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23547456 - 08/16/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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I can see where you are coming from. I made a low wage at walmart./ If you arent bringing in profit, you shouldnt be payed extravigantly though




You should at least be paid enough that if you work 40 hours a week, you can support your family without government assistance. When walmart pays someone $15,000 a year, taxpayers end up supplementing that persons income with things like food stamps. I don't think taxpayers should need to help out someone who is working full time. Do you?


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: koods]
    #23547474 - 08/16/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

It's like I said earlier, the GREEDY CORPORATE FUCKS/GREEDY SMALL BUSINESS(or whatever business) FUCKS WILL NOT TAKE LESS even though they are making fantastic profits they are not willing to share in those profits, oh wait, that's socialism.:rolleyes: NO! IT"S GREED, plain and simple.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23547502 - 08/16/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Walmart pays about 20 grand a year. If you have kids and are that poor, you are neglegent and stupid.

greed is a meaningless word. Corperations have no obligation to share their profits. That money goes many places. If my job was worth more Id have made more. I actually think my job as worth less then they payed me

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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23547510 - 08/16/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Walmart pays about 20 grand a year. If you have kids and are that poor, you are neglegent and stupid.





Like the opinion of a walmart employee means anything. :pm: me if you need tips on tying your shoes.

Not everyone is smart. In every population, you have dumb people and smart people. There is nothing you can do about it. What you can do is make sure they are paid enough to survive if they are willing to work hard.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23547528 - 08/16/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

No, it is not meaningless. it is a sad and sickening part of human nature for some people. I agree that really poor and/or uneducated people should use birth control more. Corps may have no "obligation to share their profits" but god dam, if they are making millions or billions why would a few less million/billion make a diff to them? Like I said earlier 3 millions/billions not enough they want 5 billion, even though they FUCKING HAVE MILLIONS/BILLIONS!!!


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23547546 - 08/16/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Walmart pays about 20 grand a year. If you have kids and are that poor, you are neglegent and stupid.





Like the opinion of a walmart employee means anything. :pm: me if you need tips on tying your shoes.

Not everyone is smart. In every population, you have dumb people and smart people. There is nothing you can do about it. What you can do is make sure they are paid enough to survive if they are willing to work hard.



I dont have a kid, so, my problems are my problems in that sense
Just because there are stupid people doesnt mean that sociey has an obligation to them.

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No, it is not meaningless. it is a sad and sickening part of human nature for some people. I agree that really poor and/or uneducated people should use birth control more. Corps may have no "obligation to share their profits" but god dam, if they are making millions or billions why would a few less million/billion make a diff to them? Like I said earlier 3 millions/billions not enough they want 5 billion, even though they FUCKING HAVE MILLIONS/BILLIONS!!!



The oney is flowing. There isnt some finite amount of money. The point is, it isnt our money to demand.
Id also add, greed is good


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23547566 - 08/16/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

NO! I disagree on the greed statement. FUCK GREED! That is a major problem! The people aren't demanding really, only asking for a bit more to have the opportunity to enjoy life at the level they are, WTF is wrong with needing just a bit more when someone has a shitload? Some people are content with not having excesses of money and materialism, but they do like decent/nice things. It's like the greedy rich people say everyone should strive to be that way if they want more, sad and sickening.:scat:


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23547576 - 08/16/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

You give people more, they want more
It doesnt work
It hasnt ever worked
watch Europe disintigrate
watch socialist America not know what to do

you talk in vague terms. This is the real world.


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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: koods]
    #23547580 - 08/16/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

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Walmart pays about 20 grand a year. If you have kids and are that poor, you are neglegent and stupid.





Like the opinion of a walmart employee means anything. :pm: me if you need tips on tying your shoes.

Not everyone is smart. In every population, you have dumb people and smart people. There is nothing you can do about it. What you can do is make sure they are paid enough to survive if they are willing to work hard.




You're arguing with somebody who clearly hasn't thought things out.

He's against abortion, he's also against placing kids up for adoption, and he also doesn't believe that people should have enough to live on.

So basically, if you have a kid, too bad for you. You can't abort, you can't adopt, and you have to live with you and your family starving because it's all your own fault. :flowstone:

Complete and pure idiocy at its finest.

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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: Crystal G]
    #23547606 - 08/16/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

My stance is that people should make better choices

you arent obligate3d to a service because you are stupid and spread your leggs. Society shouldnt be obligated to take your burdon.
It may not be best for the kid, but we dont have the resources or knowledge to change that.

Ben Shapero talked about adoption.. He said it was a terrible system, and tat we have enough streight couples waiting to take the adopted kids.

why should you be payed enough to feed a family when you are not tha valuable? where is this money you arent worth coming from? You arent brnging it into the company in this scenareo


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