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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: nothing exists]
    #23547044 - 08/16/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Whatever's clever man.


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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: nothing exists]
    #23547047 - 08/16/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

fusion doesnt exist.  read your link carefully.


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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: nothing exists]
    #23547080 - 08/16/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Frankly I see little need.


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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23547127 - 08/16/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

ah, a no it all.  i suppose if fusion research was responsible for my livelyhood i also would believe in it.  plasma induced state changes are not the fusion you seek.


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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: nothing exists]
    #23547158 - 08/16/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

I didn't mean to come off as a know-it-all, I was only referring to the fact that I am not interested in your referring me to the link.  I don't feel the need to revise my concept of fusion, or entertain your assertion that it is fictitious.


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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23547167 - 08/16/16 03:05 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

i'd ask for a proof of the theory of no-fusion but....

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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23547189 - 08/16/16 03:12 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

theories are not reality.  perhaps you could link to proof of an actual fusion reaction?  not research but an actual fusion reactor.


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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: nothing exists]
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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: nothing exists]
    #23547226 - 08/16/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

Its interesting to think not more than 50 years from now almost everyone involved in the current control of nuclear power will have shifted hands to a new generation.  I wonder what the parents of the super elite tell their kids when they're explaining to them the authority they have over the next generation of the planet.

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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: IjuzWWa4N]
    #23547251 - 08/16/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 6 months ago)

to be clear: not interested in parlor tricks that simply waste energy.  a chicken can do the same with less input to create calcium.  the fire of alchemy.  show us your sustained plasma reaction.


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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: nothing exists]
    #23616961 - 09/06/16 03:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Looking at men like Kristian Birkeland, Hannes Alfven, Nikola Tesla, Eric Dollard, Ralph Jeurgens, Donlad Scott, Anthony Peratt, Halton Arp, and several others there is very strong and clear experimental evidence that the sun is made of electrically active plasma and that any nuclear powered activity is happening on the surface of the sun and not in its core.



One of the major problems physics has faced for the last 100+ years is that Newton was incomplete in his exploration of gravity. He mathematically concluded it was based on mass and was an action at a distance that required no medium to propagate the force.  However, in his philosophical treatises on the his work he also explained that he had no real idea what gravity was or its source. It might be a pulling force, or a pushing force, and that it was probably electrical and magnetic in origin.  Michael Faraday continued this work, but was largely ignored when he explained that the universe was full of filaments and there was no action at a distance without a medium.  Maxwell outpaced most minds with his extensive analysis in electromagnetism, so much so that eventually Oliver Heaviside and Steinmetz each wrote extended works on making Maxwell more usable for engineering purposes.  What are generally called Maxwell's equations today are really Heaviside's equations. 

Krisitan Birkleand discovered the Aurora Borealis were created by electrical disturbances in the ionosphere.  Through experiments he was able to prove that the energy was coming from the sun. He was also able to prove that powerful current s flow through space, they are now called Birkeland Currents in his honor. 

A nasty bit of history that led to the bad physics of Einstein being accepted was the take over of electrical research by the US Navy starting in 1913.  Tesla was working with Steinmetz and many other men to create a free energy transmission system that used faster than light longitudinal waves.  These waves transmitted primarily the through he earth at π/2*c or 1.57 times the speed of light.  Yet Tesla was also able to measure cosmic rays at 50 times the speed of light. Tesla was a big supporter of Aether theory, but the aether was almost impossible to detect, that is until Irving Langmuir invented the probe that was named after him.  The Langmuir probe is able to enter an electrically charged environment and not become saturated with the charge thus allowing readings to be taken. The Aether is very similar to Plasma, which can be shown to make up 99.999% of the universe.  By 1919, however, The US Navy had taken over Tesla's,, Alexanderson's, and Marconi's radio Antenna and electrical transmission systems and faster than light experimentation stopped and was was buried. JP Morgan refused to fund Tesla and his free energy and the world has suffered since.  If Yu want to understand more look up Telluric Currents in the earth.

With Einstein, he followed the same model as the Greeks and the late Victorian to early 20th century mathematicians.  When their experiments could not explain what they were observing they began to abandon empirical science and began practicing thought experiments that led to inventive mathematics which did not accurately describe the universe, only the concepts that existed in the imaginations of the men playing with math and theories.  That is where the bad science of entropy, Big Bang, black holes, relativity, nuclear sun, and neutron stars, and dark matter, and so much more
Came from.  Inventive mathematics and thought experiments.  Below is a short introductory documentary that examines just how bad modern astrophysics is.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL35A32C6E877FEAC3&v=zy0KBzipGK4

The sun was declared to be nuclear by Sir Arthur Eddington to put an e d to the debate on whether the sun was internally or externally powered.  Nuclear Technology was new in his day, so he created thought experiments and formulated a theory of a nuclear powered sun that had no empricsl evidence to prove it during his day and still has no evidence for it today. Krisitan Birkeland and others studying electrically charged plasma were describing the sun as electrical in nature. Using his power in society and politics Eddington would not allow questions to be asked of his theory.

His support of the theories of relativity and Big Bang had a similar tone and the world was quickly washed over with inventive mathematics.  As an example, Ron Hatch wrote the software that allows the GPS systems to work. He first tried using relativistic equations and they failed, they don't work. He instead had to use customized versions od the Lorentz transformations to allow GPS to work. Any reference to GPS proving relativity is a misrepresentation of the facts. GPS only proves the Lorentz Transforms, and has no bearing on relativity.  So much of the science supported by Neil DeGrasse Tyson and major media is just wrong.  It's a modern mythology and it is not science. 

The SAFIRE project is finding success at creating an electrical sun.

Standard model astrophysics is a failing paradigm, a dying mythology...


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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: egoproctor]
    #23617533 - 09/06/16 09:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say we all look forward to your write-up in Physical Review Letters.  The way you write, I think you can make it in.


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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23617976 - 09/06/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It has very little to do with me, as much as you would like it to it seems.  There are already several open challenges from leading scientists against the Big Bang, the corrupt peer review system, and standard model physics as a whole.

As an example of scientists turning on the current model of scientific reporting and analysis,

https://www.firstthings.com/article/2016/05/scientific-regress,


And it was also an issue in 1950 , http://www.compilerpress.ca/Competitiveness/Anno/Anno%20Polanyi%20Scientific%20Beliefs%20Ethics%201950.htm?from=timeline&isappinstalled=0

A scientific research paper by Anthony Peratt during his time as a researcher at Los Alamos Laboratories that discusses the evidence for an abundance of plasma in the universe and the electromagnetic forces created by electrified plasma and the evidence that and data that provides for Galaxy formation without dark matter.

http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?1996Ap%26SS.244...89P&data_type=PDF_HIGH&whole_paper=YES&type=PRINTER&filetype=.pdf

We are in a mini dark ages of science. Not unlike Galileo vs the geocentric view of the universe.
http://philpapers.org/archive/HOLTDO-13.pdf

Donald Scott's "The Electric Sky" offers a much deeper look into the last 100 years of scientific development and where experimental science and the speculative mathematics of standard model physics diverged.

Eric Dollard gives us the history of electrical engineering up to the death of Steinmetz, including Tesla and many others and their discovery and use of super-luminal power and radio transmission systems. 


Worry not, I don't expect anyone to actually take the time to read any of these articles or watch the videos, I assume they will remain firmly bigoted in their mainstream dogmatism about science and not pay any attention to information that challenges their cherished world view, regardless of how many qualified minds have written books and papers in challenge of it.  I expect them to be petty and apathetic about the message like DividedQuantum and thrust limp character assignations my way, or try to eventually silence me as a heretic or blasphemer by labeling me as a pseudoscience advocate or a conspiracy theorist, when the real pseudoscience is the ad hoc mathematics and patchwork theories of standard model physics.  Doesn't bother me much, I'm just providing a few links to the information for people with even a modicum of active curiosity to be able to investigate.


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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: egoproctor]
    #23618014 - 09/06/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well, I appreciate your insight.  As if it mattered (pun intended), I am not especially keen on Standard Model physics myself.  I didn't mean disrespect by the above post.  I just wonder why, if there is science behind many of the things you set forth, it's taken so long to become adopted by the scientific community.  They may have an agenda, and act politically, but if there's overwhelming evidence they would be forced to acknowledge it.  Are there experimental gaps?  I don't get it.


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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23618324 - 09/06/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well, to be honest and more polite, this is what I have discovered. 

First, people like their beliefs.  If you dig into the history of science since the Greeks, or even back to Babylon and Egypt, there is a recurring pattern that emerges, a telescoping pattern of scientific discovery and regress.  Here is a video by Dewey B Larson, creator of the Reciprocal System of Theory which closely follows concepts of Sympathetic Vibratory Physics. 


Sumerians and Egyptians had some good science and even a budding version of Calculus, which was based on inductive reasoning and empirical study and data collection. This lasted for a few thousand years.  Then the Greeks took over and being a very philosophical group, used deductive reasoning, as in looking at a situation and imagining what the causes might be, created geocentrism, or the earth is the center of the universe.  When observation didn't match their theory, they had to invent a mathematics *to solve the inconsitencies between theory and observations.  These inventive corrections were centered around epicycles. 

The purpose of an epicycle is to enable planetary orbits to be circular, even when the observed orbits were not.  Geocentrism is based on a few main principles,
The earth is the center of the universe,
All the heavenly bodies were perfect unblemished spheres,
All heavenly bodies had perfectly circular orbits around the earth.

Well, it didn't take long for that fall apart, so the epicycle was invented, being a smaller circle with its center on the larger circle of the orbit to allow for small wobble of the planet while on its perfectly circular orbit.  If that didn't work, a second epicycle was added to the first, and so on.  As Larson points out, the math was good, the theory was bad.

For 1400 years this lasted, until Kepler and Copernicus and Galileo challenged the concept of geocentrism by supporting heliocentrism, or the sun is the center of the universe.  Galileo was imprisoned for his use of a telescope and reporting on what he had OBSERVED, that the heavenly bodies were not perfect unblemished spheres, that the earth was not the center of the universe, and that the orbits were not circular.  He tried to show powerful people, and they looked, and they saw he was right, and Galileo was told that on his life he had better not challenge the church or their popular view of science, because it will go badly for him to embarrass the ruling class and the ideas they preach to the world...

Issac Newton came along and with Leibniz created modern calculus and the beginning of modern physics.  However, these men had very little experience with electricity, even though Newton was sure one day gravity would be discovered to be electromagnetic in source, all he had to work with was his ideas of mass and density and force and temperature and inertia etc.. all based on the work of kepler and others and his observations of the actions of bodies in limited experiments on earth.  Newton and Leibniz were very much men of their time, very deep into the power of the church, and they believed that mathematics when properly applied was the infallible language of god.  so much so that Leibniz invented what might be the first binary mathematics, stating that the simple representations of 0 and 1 were the ultimate expression of God's mind and how the universe worked.  Yet, math is only language and it can be used to create anything, whether it is a part of the observable universe or not.

Newton was very protective of his political power and insisted that his physics and math was a universal law, since it was so important to go down in history as the man who solved the secrets of the universe.  Breaking free of the church in small measures and making tools to be used to improve the world, a rebirth of Greek thought that flooded the European minds, and more were part of this age. 

And it worked for a little while, he had his detractors almost immediately and they grew as time went by.  Experimental discoveries that on earth gravity had different measurements in different areas and different conditions, inertia was not the same everywhere, and other problems.  But one of the biggest issues with Newtonian Dynamics came from tests of thermodynamics and heated gases.  This led to the idea of Entropy. 

Then Faraday and Maxwell and Tesla and a man named John Keely which almost no ones knows (sympathetic vibratory physics) and many others over the next couple hundred years were discovering the powers of electricity.  Faraday and his contemporaries proposed the Aether, Maxwell extended the electromagnetic ideas and experiments and wrote so much that no one ever wanted to touch it, and Tesla discovered that their are 3 kinds of primary electrical waves, Trasnverse (or sine wave transmissions that are limited to speed of light propagation), longitudinal waves which are scalar and are easily measured at pi/2 * c where c is the speed of light (1.57 times the speed of light) and Tesla detected longitudinal waves that traveled as fast as 50 times the speed of light in space.  and finally impulse waves, induction and capacitance absorbed from the aether essentially.  This section has lots of information in it which is covered by Eric Dollard in the above post is a link to his long talk.

but, as for Newtonian Dynamics, all this research was showing there were problems in physics, which created problems for all manner of people who believed with unyielding dogmatism in the universal truth of Newton and his work.  But, it was still falling apart during various experiments and observations in big ways.  One of the biggest, and possibly the event that led directly into the birth of information theory and the overuse and abuse of Statistics and Probability in science, especially phsysics, was entoropy and particle movement in a heated gas, math became the norm, not data collection and experimentation. 

This event was centered around the study of super heated gases and the observations of the movements of particles as they followed the currents of heat convection.  This was at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century.  In truth, entropy is just heat dissipation, it has nothing to do with order and chaos.  It was a measurement of heat dissipation in a closed system of super heated gas.  When the gas cooled there was no longer a way to determine what the particles inside the gas were doing, as the convection currents seemed to disappear except on the surface of the gas, the center was unknown.  At this time, Maxwell had fully developed eletromagnetic theories of matter movement and distribution that would have helped, Lorentz force equations would have helped, the work of Kristian Birkeland and electrified gasses and heated gases would have helped, and John Keely and his work on Sympathetic Vibratory Physics would have helped.  However, these men required moving away from Newton, and that was unacceptable because Newton had defined the Universal Law of Physics, and any deviation from a Universal Law by nature was not allowed...  (hopefully you can see the Hubris in that mode of thought).  Now entropy and random movement and unpredictability are born, enter weird science like quantum mathematics and it speculative investigations into space, most of which are just dead wrong as far as connecting to physical reality.  Like Epicycles, the math might work, but the concepts don't match reality.

What happened next was the mathematicians got involved in the problem of Entropy and trying to discover what was happening in the gas, what wast that randomness.  Claude Shannon of Bell Labs helped create information theory by creating the equations for Entropy (order and chaos, noise and patterns), which took science down a rabbit hole it has never recovered from.  Yes, his math produced limited results, it was not in fact the truth of the physical situation, it was a mathematical filtering of noisy data to produce information that agreed with preconceived notions of researchers, Newton was not allowed to be wrong... contrary to the growing evidence from electrical studies.  This all came to a head in stages.

In 1913 in the USA, the US Navy became involved in the creation of RCA (Radio corporation of America).  Part of the reason this happened is that Nikolai Tesla owned all the patents for Radio transmission and several patents on power generation and transmission.  Bell Labs, GE, and several other groups wanted a way to get around Tesla and create technology that could be used for profit, as opposed to Tesla who wanted to give it all away for free.  Tesla had the help of Steinmetz and others, but when Tesla's primary financial backers died on the Titanic, he was left with JP Morgan who didn't like the idea of free energy and Morgan and his banking and Industrialist buddies set the Navy on Tesla and other people who had been investigating his technology, namely faster than light transmissions of radio and electricity, and some other things.  The men also working with Tesla's tech were Marconi, and Alexanderson and maybe a couple of others who are not so famous, all had their research either seized or destroyed during the creation of RCA which gave all power of research into Electricity and eventually physics into the hands of the US Navy.  WWI became a perfect platform for fascistic destruction of research and control of information.  By 1919, most of the world had forgotten about Tesla and his free energy and they were recovering from the war and beginning to buy up the technology put forward by Morgan and his money men, oil and coal and all the nasty stuff we have to deal with today.  One of the primary enemies of Tesla was Edison who used all manner of tricks and theft and lies to create much of his industry, even though there was good experiment in there as well.  The world of money and industrialization had turned on Tesla and electrical engineers and experimental physicists so that a few powerful men could control the knowledge and technology.

However, the battle continued.  During all of this and continuing today, the Royal Academy of Science in London defended Newton and any other person who supported their standardized ideas, crushing any research that went against their certified laws of the universe.  Newton was a big deal in the Royal Academy, he was very proud to be a member and used that post to dogmatize science much like the church had before him. 

In the 20's came the push between an externally powered sun, meaning electrical in nature as theorized by Kristian Birkeland and other plasma researchers with their experimental physics, and an internally powered sun which was supported by people who had a Mechanistic view of the physics of the universe.  One of the biggest supporters was Sir Arthur Eddington.  Before Eddington's time, Lord Kelvin in 1900 declared that all of physics had been discovered and now it was only in the details (we have heard that again in this generation...), then nuclear power discovered by Curie took the stage, and that blew the doors off the minds of the scientific elite.  But, it also gave Eddington fuel for his imagination.  He worked out some thought experiments in which nuclear power could be the internal engine for the sun.  He, like Newton before him, used his political power and association with the Royal Academy of Sciences to make his declaration (which had zero empirical evidence) into a physical law and it began to be taught as such.  Observation and experiment continued to be a problem, and so in not so many words he openly stated that it did not matter what evidence was brought against his theory, and even if his theory was shown to be full of errors, it was the correct theory and the only theory that could be used and he would certify that with his political power and the backing of the state science academy.  That fucked everything up.

Now Eddington was a force to be dealt with.  A real muppet in a monkey suit. 
About the same time George Lemaitre was a catholic priest who had gone to MIT and learned some Newtonian dynamics.  He was very keen on the idea of combining Newton with Genesis and the big bang was born.  Again, no empirical evidence, just inventive imagination.  Einstein had done the same with his relativity theory.  Einstein is under fire currently as a plagiarist.  The research into his career shows that while a patent clerk he had access to all the scientific papers of the 100+ years before he published his 1905 paper and had used their content without understanding it fully and without giving proper reference and citation to the papers he stole his ideas from.  There is also evidence that he had other people during his career flush out the mathematics of relativity, and he used it in his work without giving proper credit.  But, that aside, Einstein also openly stated that Empirical science had failed to prove his theories correct, so there must be a problem with experiments and that only inventive THOUGHT EXPERIMENTS (not real experiments) could be used to determine the nature of the universe.  this led to more inventive mathematics. 

Now, by this point, information theory and inventive mathematics was already growing and it was becoming very popular to use math to prove things.  There was the Principa Mathematica which tried to prove the completeness of mathematical theory, and Kurt Godel broke that system with his incompleteness theorem.  Math was still being treated as the infallible language of God.

Other issues with science were that Newtonian dynamics accounted for the rotation of the galaxies and the formation of solar systems and super clusters and more.  Yet it failed to predict what was observed.  This is part of why Einstein invented relativity.  However, several experiments as far back as the 1920's have falsified relativity, yet it still persists because the scientific establishment will not let it go, it is the law of their science.  It is mathematically unsound and experimentally falsified many times over.

When Einstein produced his first theory of relativity, it was still not known that the Milky Way was a Galaxy in a universe of Galaxies.  It was thought that all the stars in the sky were part of the one and only galaxy and that was the universe.  Well, observation blew that out of the water and other observations forced Einstein to create his second theory of relativity which didn't agree with his fist (1 special, 2 general).  Einstein was made into a folk hero, and modern science god even though 111 years of effort have been exerted into fighting the Royal Academy of Science and their choices of who to support when it came to science.  Usually science that only supports the corporate agenda of making money comes out of the Royal Academy, very troubling. 

Dark Matter was invented when there was not enough gravitational masses in the observational sky to account for the motion of the universe. Dark energy and Dark light were also adhoc inventions when observation broke the theories.

To put the issue into perspective, electromagnetics in plasma in space is up to 10^39 times more powerful than gravity.  That is 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times more powerful than gravity which is a meaningless force on a universal scale.  This is created by electricity in plasma in space.  We can detect the electricity and the electromagnetism, yet standard model physics ignores it to sustain their dogmatic deductive inventive mathematics that gravity is the king of the universe, even though observation and experiment prove them wrong.  It has been stated multiple times that scientists know electricity exists in space, and so do massive electromagnetic sources, yet they have effect on space.  That is the position of standard model physics, when all observations and experiments from electrical engineers and plasma physicists show the opposite to be true.

we are back again to Galileo vs the State.... 

There is a lot more I can get into, but between your dislike of my poor writing style, my niece is getting of the bus soon, and I don't have time to proofread this so I do ask for forgiveness for its incompleteness and brevity, but there is enough information here to get started. 

names to look into,

Hannes Alfven (Nobel Prize for his work with Plasma Physics and electricity in space)  His work is largely ignored, even though it has been very powerful in predicting space.

Halton Arp.

Ralph Jeurgens

Anthony Peratt  (He showed through experiment and super computer modeling of the data that there is no need for Dark Matter in the universe).

Stephen Crothers (he has written a number of papers showing that black holes don't exist)

Donald Scott

Dale Pond

John Keely

and must too many other names to list.

quick edit to get rid of some minor errors in grammar and add some little details. 


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    #23618543 - 09/06/16 02:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

With all due respect, I read your entire post, and it sounds a little like conspiracy-theoryism applied to physics.  I know some about a good bit of what is in your post, and a lot about one part, and there are some inaccuracies.  I don't have the energy to go into details, but I assure anyone else reading these posts that the previous posts by egoproctor should be taken with a large grain of salt.  I imagine it would be just as difficult to prove the validity of your alt-hypotheses as to disprove the accepted, experiment-backed, peer-reviewed ones.


tl;dr  I have absolutely no agenda, have knowledge of many of the ideas in the previous post, and there are some flat historical inaccuracies, which makes me wonder about the alt-science.


And I very seriously doubt this is because I am brainwashed!


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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23618593 - 09/06/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It is not that inaccurate.  It is just not reported in mainstream sources.

It is really a case of adhoc inventive mathematics that created the Cold dark matter model and big bang science.  Relativity is the same, it is just inventive mathematics. 

Misuse of statistics and probability theory have become so rampant in science that entire fields of study are unusable.  Take for instance that errors in the Statistical models for MRI machines have left over 40,000 studies suspect of margins of error up to 70% or more.

Modern journals and the peer review system have gotten to the point where the content of the article is not always even read, just the abstract and the conclusion.  If the reviewers like the people who are publishing the paper, and they agree with the abstract and the conclusion, they publish the paper without even investigating the claims made inside.  There is almost no repeat of the experiments, there is no checking of the mathematics in many of these publications.  Hundreds of studies in all branches of science cannot be repeated, and when they are investigated they are found to be based on faulty premises. 

it is an endemic problem across all of science, and it really started with physics.


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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: egoproctor]
    #23618624 - 09/06/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well if the physics is good, why has it laid dormant all this time?  You can't keep legitimate science out of the academy for that long.  Tesla did his experiments a hundred plus years ago.  If there's a superluminal way to transmit energy, it would have come out by now, no doubt.  Academic science is a far cry from the Inquisition, man.

And your history about Tesla -- over half of it is wrong.  I studied Tesla intensely at one point (for my job), and even he couldn't get any of his own engineering to work at times.  He couldn't reproduce his own experiments!  George Westinghouse bankrolled him, he lost that, and Morgan thereafter financed him very generously until he couldn't get his generator at Wardenclyffe to work.  Tesla did some good work, but did a lot more crackpot nonsense that he couldn't get to work.  He was an engineer, anyway, and that's enough about Tesla.

I just don't buy that all of this can be kept secret from everyone.


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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: egoproctor]
    #23618668 - 09/06/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

and, again, you did exactly what I said you would do.  You attacked my character and claimed I was spouting conspiracy theory, using your laziness as an excuse to escape dealing the content. 

we can get into specifics if you want to bring them up.  We can dig up Hannes Alfven and his work with Plasma Physics that won him a Nobel Prize and created a competing cosmology to the standard model.

We can look up Halton Arp and his observational and now further confirmed evidence that red shift is intrinsic in stars and galaxies in space and it is a determining factor in judging the age, content, and energy levels of quasars and galaxies, not their Doppler motion away from the earth.  He also observed and it has been confirmed that Quasars are born from the center of galaxies and follow the galactic jets, which are Birkeland currents, and eventually become smaller child galaxies in the arms of larger galaxies.  The Quasars even have physical links of nearly equally red shifted gas that connects them to the center of their parent galaxies.

We can look at Peratt and his work on Galaxy formation based on evidence from experiments in plasma laboratories.  He provides more than enough evidence that dark matter is not needed to explain the motions of structures in space.

Ralph Jeurgens and Donald Scott have created a very workable model of an electric sun which is being tested by the SAFIRE project as we speak.  So far the project has made very powerful and positive strides toward creating a sustainable plasma discharge that has all the most important features of the sun.

We can look at Kristian Birkeland and his work with filaments in electrified gas and his discovery of the source of The Aurora, that was denied by science for over 60 years until satellites were launched into space and confirmed his findings. 

We can look at Pierre Marie Robaitaille and his work with radiation and his showing that the background radiation claims of big bang model are wrong, that most of the radiation is coming  from the earth's oceans and that there is no evidence for a big bang using the data from background microwave radiation.

we can look at Ron Hatch, the mathematician and programmer who set up the GPS system.  He tried to use relativistic equations, and they didn't work.  So he had to instead modify the Lorentz transforms and apply some other mathematical tools in order to get the GPS systems to work.  He points out that proponents of GPS and relativity rely on the Lorentz transforms to support the rest of relativity theory, but it doens't, it only confirms that the Lorentz transforms worked, not that relativity is meaningful. 

We can keep digging and keep digging, and the deeper we dig the more standard model physics will be shown to be wrong and the more standard model physics will be shown to be science by committee vote, inventive adhoc mathematics, and press release.  It is not empirically defensible and that is the contention from Plasma Physics and Electric Universe theory.


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Re: Man's knowledge of the fire of the sun [Re: egoproctor]
    #23618698 - 09/06/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

http://plasmauniverse.info/

a great site to dig into these topics as presented by Anthony Peratt.  He is one of the leading minds in Plasma Physics.  He was sponsored for years by the Department of Energy to do research into alternate forms of energy and high energy plasma research.

Look up Eric Dollard.  He has been able to recreate many of Tesla's experiments and codified them mathematically and they are readily reproducible.  He explains many of the issues Tesla had and that many other people had in recreating his work.

Some very important ideas on science..
Quotes on science

A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.  - Max Planck

New scientific ideas never spring from a communal body, however organized, but rather from the head of an individually inspired researcher who struggles with his problems in lonely thought and unites all his thought on one single point which is his whole world for the moment.”  - Max Plank

History shows clearly that the advances of science have always been frustrated by the tyrannical influences of certain preconceived notions which were turned into unassailable dogmas. For that reason alone, every serious scientist should periodically make a profound reexamination of his basic principles.
—Louis de Broglie New Perspectives in Physics Basic Books, New York, 1962


These are not new issues with science.  Science is a dogmatic belief system like all other human endeavors.  Science is not self correcting in a fast way.  The peer review system makes sure that the most popular ideas they have put forth do not get challenged, even with amazing amounts of evidence.

A book called the death of science investigates this pattern of human activity.  http://philpapers.org/archive/HOLTDO-13.pdf

People fool themselves into a state of certainty, and in that certainty no evidence can alter their world view.  It is a major problem in science and it has always been a major problem.


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