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knowledge of good and evil explained
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evil will always overpower good.
good can only do what is good, it is limited. it cannot do evil.
evil can do anything, including co-opting good. evil can use good against good to destroy the good.
evil always wins.
this is why the knowledge was banned. once you start down the road of defining good and evil, you are lost. eventually you will be consumed by evil, a practical insanity. pure evil becomes obsessed with itself and fades away.
right and wrong are the proper lenses to examine nature. wrong has no power over right. it cannot advance. right is the status of existence. it is All. wrong is destroyed upon becoming, by something right. in essence, wrong only exists as a marker.
war, right or wrong? war can happen, death happens. these are the right things for the circumstances.
poison? right for dying. wrong for living. accidental overdose? any outcome is the right one. if nothing happens, that is wrong (not poison)
wrong, being temporary, becomes right upon resolution (not poison = right)
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: nothing exists]
#23548391 - 08/16/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hitler thought he was good
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: sudly]
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Kids. Evil is the eyes of beholder. Be a thug
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: tump]
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Try to understand that the human brain is essentially a biological computer. In order to make decisions it requires fixed concepts like, "This is good and that is bad."
Also understand that there is an aspect of ourselves, the witness, the soul, or whatever that does not come from this type of physical reality and is not a product of the human brain.
The knowedge of good and evil refers to the ways in which human beings operate predominantly from the animalistic, logical, linear, physically produced human brain and mind. In doing so they forget what they really are, where they come from, and how the larger outside this universe actually works.
Basically this story talks about how "God", that which exists to help guide human beings warns human beings not to become over reliant on the human brain that they experience life through because to do so means to forget a lot of important things aboit themselves, life, and even end up lost and cut off from further insight and guidance.
Since one of the prime goals of spirituality is to remember what we really are and learn about the larger reality, you could say that one of the prime goals of spirituality is to free one's self/soul from the traps of the human mind or the knowledge of good and evil.
Since the human body belongs to this world and the soul comes from somewhere else, excess attachment to the human mind is what also causes someone to perceive themselves as mortal and not as divine. Therefore the knowledge of good and evil is what causes someone to perceive and experience death.
There is a great deal more to say about this topic, but since most likely nobody will understand or care I'll just leave it at that for now.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: nothing exists] 1
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nothing exists said: evil will always overpower good.
good can only do what is good, it is limited. it cannot do evil.
evil can do anything, including co-opting good. evil can use good against good to destroy the good.
evil always wins.
this is why the knowledge was banned. once you start down the road of defining good and evil, you are lost. eventually you will be consumed by evil, a practical insanity. pure evil becomes obsessed with itself and fades away.
right and wrong are the proper lenses to examine nature. wrong has no power over right. it cannot advance. right is the status of existence. it is All. wrong is destroyed upon becoming, by something right. in essence, wrong only exists as a marker.
war, right or wrong? war can happen, death happens. these are the right things for the circumstances.
poison? right for dying. wrong for living. accidental overdose? any outcome is the right one. if nothing happens, that is wrong (not poison)
wrong, being temporary, becomes right upon resolution (not poison = right)
This is but a product of your own heart, which knows, at its core, that light 'wins' for the sole fact that...
Light is truth. 
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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You are so divine... thank you for sharing the wisdom. I know it is not granted to be blessed. Thank you thank you thank you.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: yeah]
#23551325 - 08/17/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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This post at this link addresses the existence of evil pragmatically using some established understandings.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23542550#23542550
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: nothing exists]
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nothing exists said:
evil will always overpower good
Millions of people have defeated anxiety, depression, and addiction.
How do you explain that?
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: nothing exists] 1
#23551978 - 08/18/16 12:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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nothing exists said: evil will always overpower good.
good can only do what is good, it is limited. it cannot do evil. .....
Silly idea pretending to be profound and supposed to be provocative.
However 'evil' and 'good' are adjectives.
By turning them into nouns one creates abstractions that have no basis in reality. This process is called reification and/or nominalization.
I think it is well worthwhile to learn about these terms, and how they effect thought and belief. I learned about nominalization from studying NLP. There is some good material available on these subjects online.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: laughingdog]
#23559911 - 08/20/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good and evil are IDEAS: human ideas.
They're just words, descriptors, and judgements. Big deal. Evil will not always overpower good, only sometimes.
What is evil? Something undesirable or detrimental. Example: Murder What is good? Something desirable or beneficial. Example: Money
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: Alonzo]
#23560178 - 08/20/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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'Good' and 'Bad' / 'Evil' coherent guides of heart to ultimate truth and falsehood.
Words are one of few mediums we have to communicate and fathom the world. The presence of the word, does not eradicate the underlying, ultimate meaning. An elephant is no less an elephant in form without its label. It is only those who will assume the word to be the thing, who will look at the elephant with no admiration or regard.
Failure to understand the essence of each polar of good and bad, is anarchy of itself and the very pinnacle of falsehood.
Money is an object. It can be used for good or bad means. It can feed starving thousands, like a knife, which can otherwise be used to kill, can be utilised to cut food. The 'good' or 'bad' is the heart and essence at the deepest possible core.
A soul who subscribes to 'dog eat dog' (in a world with no underling moral factuality and comprehension of those essences) will surely remain a dog. When the head ventures outside of its kennel, it will see the good, green grass.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: Alonzo]
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Alonzo said: Good and evil are IDEAS: human ideas.
They're just words, descriptors, and judgements. Big deal. Evil will not always overpower good, only sometimes.
What is evil? Something undesirable or detrimental. Example: Murder What is good? Something desirable or beneficial. Example: Money
Idiots and ideas come the same place, the Id.
But the dictionaries will not tell you that, and few could guess why.
The Id by its very notion is heretical, and academia is controlled by the church unconsciously. Therefore nothing heretic can exist in the written history the church tries to tend, control or determine.
Ever hear of JREF? The users at their forum kept calling me an idiot for proving over and over aspects needed to show the twin towers were built to demolish. I realized the above and therefore baited them without telling them, until one of the more accountable there called me an idiot.
I said. "You do not know the root meaning or origins of the word, and you cannot find it."
They posted 1/2 dozen different dictionary versions but failed to identify the Id. I let them go on for quite a while goading them, telling them "they don't know what they don't know".
Finally I dumped it on them in all of its undeniable truth based in our linguistic origins. They were so shamed a revealing silence on the matter ensued. Then one of them made a video that was the ultimate ad hominium featuring screen shots of my 9/11 site and piano/vocalist song ridiculing the "idiot", was uploaded to YouTube. I promptly downloaded it and uploaded it to my site providing the full description you've just read.
JREF immediately pulled their video. Their ad hominium amounted to an default admission that they could not deny structural and other issues competently.
ON EDIT:
This the page I put, but more was added. JREF forum no longer exists.
http://algoxy.com/psych/whatis9-11forums_jref.html
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: AllGreyThumbs] 1
#23568372 - 08/23/16 08:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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AllGreyThumbs said: Try to understand that the human brain is essentially a biological computer. In order to make decisions it requires fixed concepts like, "This is good and that is bad."
wrong. the brain is more like a coil, stimulated by Mind energy. all existence is in the Mind.
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Also understand that there is an aspect of ourselves, the witness, the soul, or whatever that does not come from this type of physical reality and is not a product of the human brain.
wrong. there is no aspect of your self outside of reality. we are an aftershock of the energetic event that causes the universe.
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The knowedge of good and evil refers to the ways in which human beings operate predominantly from the animalistic, logical, linear, physically produced human brain and mind. In doing so they forget what they really are, where they come from, and how the larger outside this universe actually works.
Basically this story talks about how "God", that which exists to help guide human beings warns human beings not to become over reliant on the human brain that they experience life through because to do so means to forget a lot of important things aboit themselves, life, and even end up lost and cut off from further insight and guidance.
Since one of the prime goals of spirituality is to remember what we really are and learn about the larger reality, you could say that one of the prime goals of spirituality is to free one's self/soul from the traps of the human mind or the knowledge of good and evil.
wrong. we are god. no energy is trapped. we can know and do anything. the meaning of life is to know the universe completely.
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Since the human body belongs to this world and the soul comes from somewhere else, excess attachment to the human mind is what also causes someone to perceive themselves as mortal and not as divine.
wrong. the soul is part of the aether, universal. proper use of Mind cultivates clarity in all things. Mind is the immortal divine.
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Therefore the knowledge of good and evil is what causes someone to perceive and experience death.
partly right. obsession causes death. knowledge of good and evil is a mental disorder that becomes obsession. there are many other ways to become obsessed.
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There is a great deal more to say about this topic, but since most likely nobody will understand or care I'll just leave it at that for now.
no more substance can be added to this conversation.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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Duncan Rowhl said:
This is but a product of your own heart, which knows, at its core, that light 'wins' for the sole fact that...
Light is truth. 
Your atonement is yours whenever you wish. Give heart and your repentance will bleach the black.

there can be no light without darkness. light is only half truth. religion is obsession with half truth. religion leads to the death cycle. religion is a death cult. awareness is the path to righteousness.
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ChristopherABrown said: This post at this link addresses the existence of evil pragmatically using some established understandings.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23542550#23542550
yes it does.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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nothing exists said:
evil will always overpower good
Millions of people have defeated anxiety, depression, and addiction.
How do you explain that?
no they have not. they put them in their place. those qualities still exist, some can control them. as a learning experience, those qualities can be seen as good.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: laughingdog]
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laughingdog said:
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nothing exists said: evil will always overpower good.
good can only do what is good, it is limited. it cannot do evil. .....
Silly idea pretending to be profound and supposed to be provocative.
However 'evil' and 'good' are adjectives.
By turning them into nouns one creates abstractions that have no basis in reality. This process is called reification and/or nominalization.
I think it is well worthwhile to learn about these terms, and how they effect thought and belief. I learned about nominalization from studying NLP. There is some good material available on these subjects online.
sorry for your confusion. good and evil are states of being.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: Alonzo]
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Alonzo said: Good and evil are IDEAS: human ideas.
They're just words, descriptors, and judgements. Big deal. Evil will not always overpower good, only sometimes.
What is evil? Something undesirable or detrimental. Example: Murder What is good? Something desirable or beneficial. Example: Money
wrong. murder is good, sometimes. money is evil, sometimes.
the problem is plasticity.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: nothing exists]
#23568507 - 08/23/16 09:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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nothing exists said:
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laughingdog said:
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nothing exists said: evil will always overpower good.
good can only do what is good, it is limited. it cannot do evil. .....
Silly idea pretending to be profound and supposed to be provocative.
However 'evil' and 'good' are adjectives.
By turning them into nouns one creates abstractions that have no basis in reality. This process is called reification and/or nominalization.
I think it is well worthwhile to learn about these terms, and how they effect thought and belief. I learned about nominalization from studying NLP. There is some good material available on these subjects online.
sorry for your confusion. good and evil are states of being.
I would have to side with laughing dog because good and evil are only labels, distortions "abstractions that have no basis in reality. "
The abstractions are concepts that effective our existence and beings.
In reality things that are good, have an impact on our lives, they enhance them. Whereas the opposite tends to end them or make them difficult and unrewarding.
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all of life is labels and distortion. pick and choose wisely.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: nothing exists]
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nothing exists said:
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nothing exists said:
evil will always overpower good
Millions of people have defeated anxiety, depression, and addiction.
How do you explain that?
no they have not. they put them in their place. those qualities still exist, some can control them. as a learning experience, those qualities can be seen as good.
Our ignorance creates our misery. Once we see clearly how we fuel our suffering, we can break free.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: nothing exists]
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Alonzo said: Good and evil are IDEAS: human ideas.
They're just words, descriptors, and judgements. Big deal. Evil will not always overpower good, only sometimes.
What is evil? Something undesirable or detrimental. Example: Murder What is good? Something desirable or beneficial. Example: Money
wrong. murder is good, sometimes. money is evil, sometimes.
the problem is plasticity.
I don't undestand this conversation. Here you have Alonzo stating that good and evil are just human labels we apply to certain things.
Then you have nothing exists saying, "Wrong", that good and exil can be applied to anything, that you can sometimes even call murder good.
So basically they are saying the same thing, except that for some reason nothing exits calls Alonzo wrong. It doesn't make any sense.
For the record I do agree with Alonzo. Fixed moral concepts are a product of the human mind, basically just labels we assign to things in order to make sense of life.
Though I also contend that there is more to ourselves than the human mind. There is an aspect that orginates from something else. Becoming lost in the human mind is what binds us to our human form and causes us to loose sight of a much larger reality. Instead of being aware of what we are and all there is, we believe ourselves to be these human animals and that this universe is all that exists.
I know these things because I can actually perceive it in the exact same way that your awareness percieves the sensory imagery, thoughts, and emotions moving through your human mind. It is just that having loosened my awareness from the human mind somewhat, I now remember what I am and can perceive how this stuff works.
Of course most likely nobody will understand because most human beings like the experience of being human and do not want to know that it isn't real. You can literally spell out how the human condition works and it will just get lost in long threads fully of gibberish and speculation.
You can't figure this stuff out via human logic which still relies on the mind in which we are trapped. The way to understand is to pull back from the mind enough to actually perceive how this works. Then it is quite obvious.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: AllGreyThumbs]
#23572989 - 08/24/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The knowledge of good and evil is what caused the Fall. This formerly forbidden knowledge is the root of suffering (sin) which is now mankind's normal everyday existence because we can't help but label things good/bad, light/dark. When you constantly rate things as bad/dark in your mind, you will consistently experience that subjective badness/darkness. Eating from the tree of life is to remain ignorant of good and bad by recognizing them as mental constructs. Life as it is, without these constructs, is heaven on earth, the garden.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: mt cleverest]
#23573058 - 08/24/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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mt cleverest said: The knowledge of good and evil is what caused the Fall. This formerly forbidden knowledge is the root of suffering (sin) which is now mankind's normal everyday existence because we can't help but label things good/bad, light/dark. When you constantly rate things as bad/dark in your mind, you will consistently experience that subjective badness/darkness. Eating from the tree of life is to remain ignorant of good and bad by recognizing them as mental constructs. Life as it is, without these constructs, is heaven on earth, the garden.
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Life as it is, without these constructs, is heaven on earth, the garden.
But that would mean that ignorance was bliss. Is it?
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: DividedQuantum]
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: mt cleverest]
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I tend to agree.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: mt cleverest]
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mt cleverest said: The knowledge of good and evil is what caused the Fall. This formerly forbidden knowledge is the root of suffering (sin) which is now mankind's normal everyday existence because we can't help but label things good/bad, light/dark. When you constantly rate things as bad/dark in your mind, you will consistently experience that subjective badness/darkness. Eating from the tree of life is to remain ignorant of good and bad by recognizing them as mental constructs. Life as it is, without these constructs, is heaven on earth, the garden.
but that is the presumption that the myth of the 'fall' is coming from sources which have no agenda regarding oppressive social control. But all the evidence is against that assumption, because it is true that the elite devised these tales to control their slaves. That is what they do! The princes and what not. The proof of that can be found if we compare with the myth which 'coincidentally' happened in step with the Industrial Revolution. All of a sudden the story/myth was that people were machines, and nature was a machine and even the universe was a huge clockwork machine. Who said? the 'experts'! before it was the priests. This worked perfectly for their satanic factor-y system where they needed their slaves to be cogs in their machine to create lots and lots of profit for the greedy selves.
The REAL evil are the fkers who cold bloodedly and ruthlessly devise such toxic myths to control and exploit people, animals, and the natural world itself! it is VERY handy to know this!
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: zzripz]
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mt cleverest said: The knowledge of good and evil is what caused the Fall. This formerly forbidden knowledge is the root of suffering (sin) which is now mankind's normal everyday existence because we can't help but label things good/bad, light/dark. When you constantly rate things as bad/dark in your mind, you will consistently experience that subjective badness/darkness. Eating from the tree of life is to remain ignorant of good and bad by recognizing them as mental constructs. Life as it is, without these constructs, is heaven on earth, the garden.
but that is the presumption that the myth of the 'fall' is coming from sources which have no agenda regarding oppressive social control. But all the evidence is against that assumption, because it is true that the elite devised these tales to control their slaves. That is what they do! The princes and what not. The proof of that can be found if we compare with the myth which 'coincidentally' happened in step with the Industrial Revolution. All of a sudden the story/myth was that people were machines, and nature was a machine and even the universe was a huge clockwork machine. Who said? the 'experts'! before it was the priests. This worked perfectly for their satanic factor-y system where they needed their slaves to be cogs in their machine to create lots and lots of profit for the greedy selves.
The REAL evil are the fkers who cold bloodedly and ruthlessly devise such toxic myths to control and exploit people, animals, and the natural world itself! it is VERY handy to know this!
This makes good sense, I agree about those that invent the toxic myth about the "Fall". I had some thoughts about the "myth" in the past but never really thought them through. My intuition said the "myth" was to discourage and trash hope, but this gives body and sequence to the notion.
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How is it a toxic myth? Because it encourages the ignorance of evil? Thats a common complaint whenever someone suggests doing away with morality. The naysayers claim that evil abounds when good men do nothing but I think that is rubbish. Morality is always relative and it is always a divider. How many wars have been fought because this guy's sense of good equaled another guy's sense of evil? Sure, abandoning morality can seem hairy at first because it means abandoning a large part of the ego. The early new testament church struggled with this as they saw grace (the tree of life) as being a license to sin; they preferred the Law which was simply an extension of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. But Paul told them they were missing the point entirely, saying that once the revelation hit, it was no longer him who did things but christ through him. When you let go of judgment and doership, you see how everything flows perfectly fine. The law (morality) was a tutor but its time to move on, back to the willful ignorance of childhood. You must become a child to enter the kingdom of heaven which is right here, now. Why tarnish God's creation by attaching a story to everything? Whatever it is is much more beautiful without your gross pea-sized brain meaning on top of it.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: mt cleverest]
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the naysayers claim that evil abounds when good men do nothing but I think that is rubbish. Morality is always relative and it is always a divider.
Obviously if you see wrong you must speak up, challenge it. It is conformists who abide by authority no matter what. You must have seen the famous psychological experiments where members of the public were tested to see how conformist they are and blindly follow authority. One was when men posing as white coated scientist with clipboards asked people to press buttons to electrocute what they thought were others in a room---who they couldn't see but only hear their screams of pain when they pushed the button. They were to push it is the person (who was really an actor) got a question wrong. They did it cause these 'experts' told them to. EVEN when they were told to increase the electric current, and the 'victim' fell silent they continued This is how an oppressive hierarchy is made up, by a chain of command, and to question the authority above you is called insubordination, and can bring severe punishment, even death. So it takes great courage to not conform to authority!
Paul was full of sht. he was pushing a phony belief. And he would get away with his BS because he claimed 'christ' was working through him bla bla. All of that is phony and can lead to great evil, because the one saying it is either deluded or surreptitiously lying to increase their authority will oppress and not take responsibility for it which is immoral.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: zzripz]
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The idea is that when you're living without judgment, you will automatically walk in love because that is your nature. So if something comes up that is against your nature, you will naturally oppose it without having to think about it. This was the motivating factor behind the apostles' opposition of the jews and roman government. You can call Paul full of shit, maybe he was, but he definitely was not a conformist by any means. He was a renegade badass whose only allegiance was to god. I know that experiment youre talking about, it's pretty interesting, nothing earth shattering tho. The movie about it was terribly pretentious.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: sudly]
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sudly said: Hitler thought he was good 
I don't believe that's true.
He might have presented things as though he thought his actions were for the good of the world, because that is the 'sell' afterall, but his emotions would have been telling him very clearly, with obvious reason, that he was committing evil deeds.
It's much more likely that he seen the world as dog eat dog and that the animalistic ego approach of domination, was the way forward dictated by his demons. Pervitin addiction, would have reinforced this paradigm tenfold.
Charles Manson, as another example, is perfectly aware of his mindset and actions being bad. He, by his own admittance, is fully aware of the Christ consciousness which attempts to overthrow his evil, and so, he see constantly battles it with the amateur dramatic displays of lunacy.
Many are lost as children in the world and the apparent, easily reachable crutch is the one of evil. The one that convinces people they need to be the best, the strongest, the most successful, the ones in the right, yet it only involves climbing a ladder of great heights only to fall upon ageing / death. Christ is the only truth. It's eternal and the ultimate segue past death, because it is the essence of the 'after'.
When I understood this, I've since broken past the barricades of some very volatile people to discover that they are infact very sensitive, insecure and scared at heart and their spirit glows as they just be the essence of who they truly are.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: mt cleverest]
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mt cleverest said: The idea is that when you're living without judgment, you will automatically walk in love because that is your nature. So if something comes up that is against your nature, you will naturally oppose it without having to think about it. This was the motivating factor behind the apostles' opposition of the jews and roman government. You can call Paul full of shit, maybe he was, but he definitely was not a conformist by any means. He was a renegade badass whose only allegiance was to god. I know that experiment youre talking about, it's pretty interesting, nothing earth shattering tho. The movie about it was terribly pretentious.
so you don't judge, and 'walk in love'?
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: zzripz]
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: mt cleverest]
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so you don't judge my ideas?
can you not see how phony it is to pretend you don't judge? we do it all the time
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: nothing exists]
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Evil doesn't win, it uses, it abuses, it consumes. It eats. That's what evil does.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: mt cleverest]
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You are unable to completely rid yourself of the influence of bad, knowledge of bad, and the day to day discernments you have to make between the two. Your very existence and free-will is underscored by it and since you do not embody total truth, your actions always lend themselves to folly.
You can't have your cake and eat too in this matter of 'suchness'. You can't simultaneously be objective and infinite yet remain in a physically finite and subjective experience. You do not see all things. You only see a narrow spectrum. Yet, you have the free will to act on what reality you construct from this narrow spectrum. That is the very mechanism for which 'bad' creeps into the picture.
When a more absolute truth and wholeness exists : The ability of a piece of that whole to go against it either through ignorance of free-will'd choice and see as they want to see and do as they want to do marks the beginning of a rift between that which is infinite and that which one willfully constructs on their own.
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mt cleverest said: The law (morality) was a tutor but its time to move on, back to the willful ignorance of childhood. You must become a child to enter the kingdom of heaven which is right here, now. Why tarnish God's creation by attaching a story to everything? Whatever it is is much more beautiful without your gross pea-sized brain meaning on top of it.
No matter how much hand waving you want to do, you can't put the genie back in the bottle. At the biological level, you cannot undo the cast that you have been molded into. For some time, your experience in the world is as that of a 'child' as dictated by the laws of biology. After some time and development, you 'see' the world and good/evil. No manner of will can revert this. For, it is the law until such a time when it is no more.
Furthermore : "11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known" : 1 Corinthians 13:11-12
Indeed, seek out that which is love and good. However, know that some of your best intentions will fall short and can manifest, in this world, as bad/evil. It is the nature of the fall.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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sudly said: Hitler thought he was good 
I don't believe that's true.
He might have presented things as though he thought his actions were for the good of the world, because that is the 'sell' afterall, but his emotions would have been telling him very clearly, with obvious reason, that he was committing evil deeds.
It's much more likely that he seen the world as dog eat dog and that the animalistic ego approach of domination, was the way forward dictated by his demons. Pervitin addiction, would have reinforced this paradigm tenfold.
Charles Manson, as another example, is perfectly aware of his mindset and actions being bad. He, by his own admittance, is fully aware of the Christ consciousness which attempts to overthrow his evil, and so, he see constantly battles it with the amateur dramatic displays of lunacy.
Many are lost as children in the world and the apparent, easily reachable crutch is the one of evil. The one that convinces people they need to be the best, the strongest, the most successful, the ones in the right, yet it only involves climbing a ladder of great heights only to fall upon ageing / death. Christ is the only truth. It's eternal and the ultimate segue past death, because it is the essence of the 'after'.
When I understood this, I've since broken past the barricades of some very volatile people to discover that they are infact very sensitive, insecure and scared at heart and their spirit glows as they just be the essence of who they truly are.
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I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
I am often times troubled not so much with myself but the run of this all ... On one hand, people are to blame for not choosing correctly. On the other hand, they will never truly know all to choose perfectly. And once you know all and are all, is their choice?
Ah', but incomplete knowledge and choices to a fault. here in this manner of suchness...
One should love and do as best they can and some have pretty good circumstances to do so under. However, what if it were the case that you had to decided whether to kill 1,000 people to prevent 100,000 from dying by pressing a button or not press the button and let 100,000 people die?
Ah', but who is another human being to sit and judge you after the fact? That is supposedly only the capability of God... After-all, you are 'unaware' of his plans and purpose. How works of good can be done through good and sometimes evil, etc etc...
And what is this all for ultimately anyway? What if adam and eve just said : You know what...were sorry we error'd and then proceeded to off themselves? Would billions of souls have had to suffer? Would billions of years potentially have had to go by for the revelation? If they knew what was to play out would they have continued on producing and multiplying suffering?
So, there's obviously something more going on behind this interweaving and playing out of good/evil across space-time. Many aspects of it seem pre-destined and out of one's control... So, who is anyone to judge a moment or individual given our lack of knowledge about what exactly was their purpose in the grand scheme of things? Yet, we do .. Even the most faithful and devout amongst us, even when the very bible itself tells them not to, even as they preach to others about this judgement practice... Because we like to think we know what is bad/evil .. We like to think we know God's plan in our lives and others... the means to an end.
That's not a judgement of sorts.. I just find it interesting
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: iiilil]
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sudly said: Hitler thought he was good 
I don't believe that's true.
He might have presented things as though he thought his actions were for the good of the world, because that is the 'sell' afterall, but his emotions would have been telling him very clearly, with obvious reason, that he was committing evil deeds.
It's much more likely that he seen the world as dog eat dog and that the animalistic ego approach of domination, was the way forward dictated by his demons. Pervitin addiction, would have reinforced this paradigm tenfold.
Charles Manson, as another example, is perfectly aware of his mindset and actions being bad. He, by his own admittance, is fully aware of the Christ consciousness which attempts to overthrow his evil, and so, he see constantly battles it with the amateur dramatic displays of lunacy.
Many are lost as children in the world and the apparent, easily reachable crutch is the one of evil. The one that convinces people they need to be the best, the strongest, the most successful, the ones in the right, yet it only involves climbing a ladder of great heights only to fall upon ageing / death. Christ is the only truth. It's eternal and the ultimate segue past death, because it is the essence of the 'after'.
When I understood this, I've since broken past the barricades of some very volatile people to discover that they are infact very sensitive, insecure and scared at heart and their spirit glows as they just be the essence of who they truly are.
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I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Why should it reconcile with the Bible? 
For the sake of answering the question though, Isaiah is an Old Testament prophet. The Old Testament 'God' was a demiurgic miscomprehension, hence the birth of Jesus Christ and the New Testament which technically, in parts, serves as a corrective revision, which aims ultimately to shift mankinds paradigm to recognise the true, pure, perfect and good God.
'I am the light and the way' is the noteworthy quote of the New Testament.
Gnosis of good / bad is not judgement, unless we condemn. It's knowledge inherited by heart.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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Duncan Rowhl said: Why should it reconcile with the Bible? 
Lets not be coy here.. 
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Duncan Rowhl said: For the sake of answering the question though, Isaiah is an Old Testament prophet. The Old Testament 'God' was a demiurgic miscomprehension, hence the birth of Jesus Christ and the New Testament which technically, in parts, serves as a corrective revision, which aims ultimately to shift mankinds paradigm to recognise the true, pure, perfect and good God.
So, now were picking and choosing which portions of the Bible to apply.. I see ...
It's recognized and understood that we cannot obtain pure perfection in our current frame of existence. We can strive towards it but will always fall and be with fault for we are not all knowing and are thus unable to choose consistently and be what is perfect/good. For we are not casted into a shell that is perfect/good. Furthermore, can you choose/have free-will once you become all knowing and perfect?
I was attempting to align the conversation with a deeper inquiry...
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Duncan Rowhl said: 'I am the light and the way' is the noteworthy quote of the New Testament.
K, lets go with this quote. The way through 'what'? As opposed to 'what other way'? Who created that other way? What form does it take in our human reaches? When/How did we obtain awareness of multiple ways? Why is it such a struggle to choose God's way? Why is it that our existence underscores the choosing between them? Is the medium in which God's way is established a necessity? What is that medium?
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Duncan Rowhl said: Gnosis of good / bad is not judgement, unless we condemn. It's knowledge inherited by heart.
As our knowledge of the infinite is incomplete, our awareness of good/bad is faulty as are our manifestations. I know its a hard thing for you to understand, but there are people who do great bad in the world who honestly believe what they're doing is good. The heart/mind are funny things in this way...
You maintain that god is the light and the way.. When you don't maintain full knowledge of that way, you will travel towards it in error at times... that is known as bad/evil. As such, the very premise of the context that we find ourselves in is questionable.
The world would be in chaos if there was a suspension of judgement/condemnation for those who run amok in society. Sure, we could put our fingers in our ears, close our eyes, and say everything is going to be ok but the world would quite quickly turn to ruin if we did. Also, some live with the luxury of not having to judge/condemn while others do it in order to ensure are more harmonious society.
Furthermore, as I recall, there was judgement even in heaven for those who didn't follow the word. There was also condemnation. Human beings were condemned and judged for an act committed by Adam/Eve... An awareness of good/evil.
While 'a way and a light' was made for their redemption and reconciliation. It is held that you will ultimately be judged by that which is perfect and good based on how you navigated an imperfect context known as life.
I'd appreciate if you're going to reference from biblical works that you don't selectively pick and choose portions of the bible believe/not believe in and/or child-ify quite serious passages...
There is judgement. There is condemnation. There is the subjective free-will'd existence that each human being lives out. The context is imperfect which is why there is good/bad: The perfect/good way and then every other act/thought/manifestation outside of it.
We obtained awareness of good/bad with incomplete knowledge. Thus, we manifest good/bad imperfectly. We are judged ultimately by the way/the light/the word as is written in the bible that you keep referencing 'selectively'. You either take it all on or nothing at all IMO.
We could all just come up w/ our cozy beliefs that make us feel good/help us sleep at night .. but then again, didn't all of the crazy people you reference above do the same thing? and what of this ultimate truth you speak of if everyone just makes up their own version/decides what pieces they do/don't want to subscribe to...
As one who 'sees' more deeply understands : thus are the very seeds of 'evil'. Furthermore, what is in every man's heart is clearly not the same. One only need take a look around to figure that out.
There are deeper things to be addressed... Some just fashion a more comfortable life by selectively ignoring those things.
Ignorance might be bliss on earth but it seems it is suggested that god isn't nor is the infinite beyond earth. Ultimately, it is suggested that there will be a judgement and it would seem that testifying that one had their fingers in their ears and their eyes shut won't be an excuse.
1 Corinthians 13,8:13 "8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known."
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: iiilil]
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I didn't see myself as being coy since elaboration of a false assumption is unnecessary. The reference to the Bible was, as stated, only to serve as a basis to give you the respect of answering your question and providing an example of something in the new rendition which I think is worthy of note.
My faith isn't in The Bible, because Jesus, nor Christhood, is the Bible. The Old is a phrophecy and the New is a documented account of witness. I just quoted to contrast against your bibical claim. Christhood rears ones own book.
With respect, there's too much to address in your post, so if you have a reply and point that's most important we can concentrate on that in a concise form if you are willing.
My philosophy is that the heart is true and knows good from bad and no bad exists in the godhead, which we are a product of.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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As you quite clearly make up your own belief system (inspired by written works), as do and will others. So forth comes the passageway for confusion and bad as when not reconciled definitively with the one-ness of truth which you may be a product of but are not one with.
Every-one can declare the same thing you have declared, act as they will themselves to act, and state/feel that they are being true to their heart which is good.
The interesting thing is : none of use definitively and objectively knows anything including our hearts .. The least of all things you will ever know is the nature of your heart. One of the most famous lines is "I did it because I loved you .. *followed by tears" and how many broken hearts exist due to love misinterpreted? Ah', but the heart .. the fountain of love and truth

The heart is actually the *rub*. Some of the most evil/bad things that have ever been done on the face of the earth were from men who consulted 'their hearts' and in their hearts felt that their despicable actions were good.
So, it is much more complicated than that. If it were more simple, there'd be love and goodness stretched across the earth for all to see and nothing else. There wouldn't have been a reason for free-will.
Instead there is confusion and an intertwined playing out of two opposed paths. It quite clearly is more complicated...
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: iiilil]
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My belief is not inspired by written works. It's attainment from the heart as highlighted.
Your assumption was, because I spoke of Christ, that I subscribed to the books of The Bible, which is untrue.
When knosis is acquired, relevant texts become the mere manifest of rememberance of ones own true work as the all knowledgable whole.
The point is; is listening to the heart and deciding what is true. The heart can become blackened, yet it is not the true heart. Overcoming this very perception and burden, is the goal of 'enlightenment'.
Revolt as people will, the vastness of nothingness which many perceive, is actually quelled and concluded within the very bowels of themselves.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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Duncan Rowhl said: My belief is not inspired by written works. It's attainment from the heart as highlighted.
And how does this scale to everyone in the world? If everyone in the world started doing as their heart told them, we'd be in a world of hurt. One of the least things you will ever know is your heart and your nature. So, you can imagine why I bring strong question to anyone who says they formed their belief system from it. I mean sure, you maybe happened across some goodness. However, there are long lists of killers who drew 'from their honest and good heart' to. Sure, you can say 'their heart would have told them otherwise'. They'd probably respond with 100% conviction that it didn't... and who are you to say otherwise? God?
Which is why its not a reliable source to draw from.
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Duncan Rowhl said: Your assumption was, because I spoke of Christ, that I subscribed to the books of The Bible, which is untrue.
K, i stand corrected. You can see why it was a perfectly logical assumption I hope. Again, there are lots of people who do great evil who say they spoke directly with God/christ/jesus and he lives in their heart and he told them to do x,y,z .. a,b,c.
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Duncan Rowhl said: When knosis is acquired, relevant texts become the mere manifest of rememberance of ones own true work as the all knowledgable whole.
No human being will ever objectively embody the word of God. Nor will a human being's actions ever objectively and perfectly make them manifest. To acknowledge this is to acknowledge yourself as a flawed and imperfect being that must fight every day to more better embody portions of knosis. This acknowledgement makes manifest to oneself that one is capable of manifesting bad/evil even when one feels in their heart of hearts that what they are doing is good. A belief otherwise-wise is the route of a psychopath and quite clearly are the ones who perpetuate the most evil in the world albeit in the name of 'good'.
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Duncan Rowhl said: The point is; is listening to the heart and deciding what is true. The heart can become blackened, yet it is not the true heart.
You will never know whether or not your heart is blackened. Man will never know fully his heart or his natures. Part of being imperfect is that your heart is already blackened. As history has shown time and time again, pure evil tends to be made manifest when on doesn't acknowledge this
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Duncan Rowhl said: Revolt as people will, the vastness of nothingness which many perceive, is actually quelled and concluded within the very bowels of themselves.
One must submit to their limits and flaws. Only then can quelling occur. What happens most often is that man asserts himself beyond those limits...beyond those flaws... Beyond the light/the way into the vast nothingness that they think they can perceive but cannot. This 'nothingness' is devoid of light or quelling except that one's remaining light will be eventually quelled.
The vast nothingness consumes. Light merely permeates which is why it is 'the way' 'the path' amidst otherwise darkness.
So, you be careful of that 'heart' of yours and the source of your 'light'. But, like many men before you, I can understand if you are not.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: iiilil]
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Many fists that flail.
A single question is the concise.
God is so, God is you and God is why you revolt so.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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Duncan Rowhl said: Many fists that flail.
It could be made such that no fists flail... But that wasn't the dictate of free-will and creation. Thus, here were are .. flailing.
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Duncan Rowhl said: A single question is the concise.
A single answer is also equally concise. Conciseness however reflects a form of finality.
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ChristopherABrown said: This makes good sense, I agree about those that invent the toxic myth about the "Fall". I had some thoughts about the "myth" in the past but never really thought them through. My intuition said the "myth" was to discourage and trash hope, but this gives body and sequence to the notion.
Though I use the term to reference the terminology in texts, 'fall' hasn't ever seemed to be a fitting analogy to depict the separation from the godhead.
There is an almighty teaching which I encounter which gives another perspective, in that life has been created as a result of dispersement from a concentrate. That is to say that the Godhead has seemingly granted intricate access to the eternal 'everything' by allowing each component to break free for our perusal, so that we can disect and explore the very fibre of the all.
The process and purpose of life then is to explore, but at the same time, reverse engineer the dispersed components back to the singular whole. The revelation that the next person is oneself, the works of a book are, in essence the works of oneself and all given is a product is what one will get, is seemingly the indicator that one is on this very path of reconstruction.
The 'big bang' and dispersement of planets and stars is the largest existing analogy of this microcosmic counterpart. The purpose of life then would be to marry all units separated in the explosion. Human marriage is an indicator in itself of the need to join, achieved through heart.
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Where do the Taoist immortals and the concept of polygamy fit into the components being made whole again? Surely some beings, such as Shri Hanuman, will want to spend an eternity living in creation and enjoying their devotion to all. Am I wrong?
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: yeah]
#23583802 - 08/27/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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ChristopherABrown said: This makes good sense, I agree about those that invent the toxic myth about the "Fall". I had some thoughts about the "myth" in the past but never really thought them through. My intuition said the "myth" was to discourage and trash hope, but this gives body and sequence to the notion.
Though I use the term to reference the terminology in texts, 'fall' hasn't ever seemed to be a fitting analogy to depict the separation from the godhead.
There is an almighty teaching which I encounter which gives another perspective, in that life has been created as a result of dispersement from a concentrate. That is to say that the Godhead has seemingly granted intricate access to the eternal 'everything' by allowing each component to break free for our perusal, so that we can disect and explore the very fibre of the all.
The process and purpose of life then is to explore, but at the same time, reverse engineer the dispersed components back to the singular whole. The revelation that the next person is oneself, the works of a book are, in essence the works of oneself and all given is a product is what one will get, is seemingly the indicator that one is on this very path of reconstruction.
The 'big bang' and dispersement of planets and stars is the largest existing analogy of this microcosmic counterpart. The purpose of life then would be to marry all units separated in the explosion. Human marriage is an indicator in itself of the need to join, achieved through heart.
So, essentially what the bible says albeit glossing over evil/bad, the fall, the back-story preceding creation, and the judgement that accompanies reconstruction and revelations ... I think i finally understand your angle
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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nothing exists said: evil will always overpower good.
good can only do what is good, it is limited. it cannot do evil.
evil can do anything, including co-opting good. evil can use good against good to destroy the good.
evil always wins.
this is why the knowledge was banned. once you start down the road of defining good and evil, you are lost. eventually you will be consumed by evil, a practical insanity. pure evil becomes obsessed with itself and fades away.
right and wrong are the proper lenses to examine nature. wrong has no power over right. it cannot advance. right is the status of existence. it is All. wrong is destroyed upon becoming, by something right. in essence, wrong only exists as a marker.
war, right or wrong? war can happen, death happens. these are the right things for the circumstances.
poison? right for dying. wrong for living. accidental overdose? any outcome is the right one. if nothing happens, that is wrong (not poison)
wrong, being temporary, becomes right upon resolution (not poison = right)
This is but a product of your own heart, which knows, at its core, that light 'wins' for the sole fact that...
Light is truth. 
Your atonement is yours whenever you wish. Give heart and your repentance will bleach the black.

I believe a Platinum Cross is well and Valid! To symbolize the Sacrifice of atonement..which is placed on the sins of the body..and mind..and interesting Spirit complexes.. Retarded in Vein.. is indeed a good degree..of which we are all the notion of a Saint or a Roast Beef...like Joan of Ark...or otherwise Joan of Arc...which is what a Rainbow is anyways..
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: nothing exists]
#23587793 - 08/28/16 06:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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sorry for your confusion. good and evil are states of being.
And Love is the highest form of being in the Universe.
How else do you think all those Disney curses could only be broken by true love's kiss?
In the words of John and Paul, "All you need is Love."
Jai Guru Dev OM.
-------------------- "I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay… small acts of kindness and love.” - Gandalf The Grey. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle "I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes! "Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous "Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: iiilil] 1
#23591333 - 08/29/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The world would be in chaos if there was a suspension of judgement/condemnation for those who run amok in society.
That makes me laugh.
If chaos actually exists (and I'm not sure it does) it exists now.
God is love, as 1 John 4:8 states clearly. The Bible does not say god is an invisible spirit in the sky who exhibits loving characteristics. God and love are synonyms. Jesus claimed to be god. When Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life" he was promoting love and compassion. As opposed to hate and the many other ways we cause our own suffering. The Crucifixion is his demonstration of the death of self. The Prince of Peace said to "Follow me", and take up the cross... to abandon our selfish ways, and our attachments to what we think is true (knowledge).
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23594070 - 08/30/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like to think of it in terms of vibrations.
Things like hate and all that ilk are low density, weak vibrations.
Things like love and compassion are of a higher wavelength.
Right and wrong is the right idea to have. Good and evil are just points of view. Because deep down you know right from wrong. It's hard to identify good and evil.
-------------------- "I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay… small acts of kindness and love.” - Gandalf The Grey. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle "I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes! "Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous "Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: LRG]
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Because deep down you know right from wrong.
I think we know the difference between compassion and hate.
I think we know the difference between kindness and cruelty.
But clearly we are ambivalent about which path to follow.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23595806 - 08/30/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because deep down you know right from wrong.
I think we know the difference between compassion and hate.
I think we know the difference between kindness and cruelty.
But clearly we are ambivalent about which path to follow.
Do we? Is it okay to lie about something as long as the message is received? Lying is bad but if the end result is positive does that make it okay? Is it okay to tell the truth knowing the truth could break someone or something? I don't think the differences are so cut and dry, which is annoying to say the least.
Whose to say who did it better or which path we should follow? Only you can answer that.
-------------------- "I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay… small acts of kindness and love.” - Gandalf The Grey. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle "I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes! "Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous "Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: LRG]
#23595839 - 08/30/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I take that back. You're right. We often can't see the difference between love and compassion.
Is a liar to be condemned for being "wrong" in their behavior? I don't know.
To embrace the idea of evil compels one to embrace condemnation.
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