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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: iiilil]
    #23580390 - 08/26/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I didn't see myself as being coy since elaboration of a false assumption is unnecessary. The reference to the Bible was, as stated, only to serve as a basis to give you the respect of answering your question and providing an example of something in the new rendition which I think is worthy of note.

My faith isn't in The Bible, because Jesus, nor Christhood, is the Bible. The Old is a phrophecy and the New is a documented account of witness. I just quoted to contrast against your bibical claim. Christhood rears ones own book.

With respect, there's too much to address in your post, so if you have a reply and point that's most important we can concentrate on that in a concise form if you are willing.

My philosophy is that the heart is true and knows good from bad and no bad exists in the godhead, which we are a product of.


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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23580600 - 08/26/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

As you quite clearly make up your own belief system (inspired by written works), as do and will others.  So forth comes the passageway for confusion and bad as when not reconciled definitively with the one-ness of truth which you may be a product of but are not one with.

Every-one can declare the same thing you have declared, act as they will themselves to act, and state/feel that they are being true to their heart which is good.

The interesting thing is : none of use definitively and objectively knows anything including our hearts .. The least of all things you will ever know is the nature of your heart. One of the most famous lines is "I did it because I loved you .. *followed by tears" and how many broken hearts exist due to love misinterpreted? Ah', but the heart .. the fountain of love and truth
:smile2:

The heart is actually the *rub*. Some of the most evil/bad things that have ever been done on the face of the earth were from men who consulted 'their hearts' and in their hearts felt that their despicable actions were good.

So, it is much more complicated than that. If it were more simple, there'd be love and goodness stretched across the earth for all to see and nothing else. There wouldn't have been a reason for free-will.

Instead there is confusion and an intertwined playing out of two opposed paths.
It quite clearly is more complicated...


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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: iiilil]
    #23580995 - 08/26/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

My belief is not inspired by written works. It's attainment from the heart as highlighted.

Your assumption was, because I spoke of Christ, that I subscribed to the books of The Bible, which is untrue.

When knosis is acquired, relevant texts become the mere manifest of rememberance of ones own true work as the all knowledgable whole.

The point is; is listening to the heart and deciding what is true. The heart can become blackened, yet it is not the true heart. Overcoming this very perception and burden, is the goal of 'enlightenment'.

Revolt as people will, the vastness of nothingness which many perceive, is actually quelled and concluded within the very bowels of themselves.


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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23581172 - 08/26/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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My belief is not inspired by written works. It's attainment from the heart as highlighted.




And how does this scale to everyone in the world? If everyone in the world started doing as their heart told them, we'd be in a world of hurt. One of the least things you will ever know is your heart and your nature. So, you can imagine why I bring strong question to anyone who says they formed their belief system from it. I mean sure, you maybe happened across some goodness. However, there are long lists of killers who drew 'from their honest and good heart' to. Sure, you can say 'their heart would have told them otherwise'. They'd probably respond with 100% conviction that it didn't... and who are you to say otherwise? God?

Which is why its not a reliable source to draw from.

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Your assumption was, because I spoke of Christ, that I subscribed to the books of The Bible, which is untrue.




K, i stand corrected. You can see why it was a perfectly logical assumption I hope. Again, there are lots of people who do great evil who say they spoke directly with God/christ/jesus and he lives in their heart and he told them to do x,y,z .. a,b,c.

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When knosis is acquired, relevant texts become the mere manifest of rememberance of ones own true work as the all knowledgable whole.





No human being will ever objectively embody the word of God. Nor will a human being's  actions ever objectively and perfectly make them manifest. To acknowledge this is to acknowledge yourself as a flawed and imperfect being that must fight every day to more better embody portions of knosis. This acknowledgement makes manifest to oneself that one is capable of manifesting bad/evil even when one feels in their heart of hearts that what they are doing is good. A belief otherwise-wise is the route of a psychopath and quite clearly are the ones who perpetuate the most evil in the world albeit in the name of 'good'.

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The point is; is listening to the heart and deciding what is true. The heart can become blackened, yet it is not the true heart.




You will never know whether or not your heart is blackened. Man will never know fully his heart or his natures. Part of being imperfect is that your heart is already blackened. As history has shown time and time again, pure evil tends to be made manifest when on doesn't acknowledge this

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Revolt as people will, the vastness of nothingness which many perceive, is actually quelled and concluded within the very bowels of themselves.




One must submit to their limits and flaws. Only then can quelling occur. What happens most often is that man asserts himself beyond those limits...beyond those flaws... Beyond the light/the way into the vast nothingness that they think they can perceive but cannot. This 'nothingness' is devoid of light or quelling except that one's remaining light will be eventually quelled.

The vast nothingness consumes. Light merely permeates which is why it is 'the way' 'the path' amidst otherwise darkness.

So, you be careful of that 'heart' of yours and the source of your 'light'.
But, like many men before you, I can understand if you are not.


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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: iiilil]
    #23581245 - 08/26/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Many fists that flail.

A single question is the concise.

God is so, God is you and God is why you revolt so.  :wink:


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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23581314 - 08/26/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Many fists that flail.




It could be made such that no fists flail... But that wasn't the dictate of free-will and creation. Thus, here were are .. flailing.

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A single question is the concise.




A single answer is also equally concise. Conciseness however reflects a form of finality.

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God is so, God is you and God is why you revolt so.  :wink:



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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: ChristopherABrown] * 1
    #23582994 - 08/27/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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This makes good sense,  I agree about those that invent the toxic myth about the "Fall".  I had some thoughts about the "myth" in the past but never really thought them through.  My intuition said the "myth" was to discourage and trash hope, but this gives body and sequence to the notion.




Though I use the term to reference the terminology in texts, 'fall' hasn't ever seemed to be a fitting analogy to depict the separation from the godhead.

There is an almighty teaching which I encounter which gives another perspective, in that life has been created as a result of dispersement from a concentrate.  That is to say that the Godhead has seemingly granted intricate access to the eternal 'everything' by allowing each component to break free for our perusal, so that we can disect and explore the very fibre of the all.

The process and purpose of life then is to explore, but at the same time, reverse engineer the dispersed components back to the singular whole. The revelation that the next person is oneself, the works of a book are, in essence the works of oneself and all given is a product is what one will get, is seemingly the indicator that one is on this very path of reconstruction.

The 'big bang' and dispersement of planets and stars is the largest existing analogy of this microcosmic counterpart.  The purpose of life then would be to marry all units separated in the explosion. Human marriage is an indicator in itself of the need to join, achieved through heart.


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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23583521 - 08/27/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Where do the Taoist immortals and the concept of polygamy fit into the components being made whole again? Surely some beings, such as Shri Hanuman, will want to spend an eternity living in creation and enjoying their devotion to all. Am I wrong?


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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: yeah]
    #23583802 - 08/27/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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This makes good sense,  I agree about those that invent the toxic myth about the "Fall".  I had some thoughts about the "myth" in the past but never really thought them through.  My intuition said the "myth" was to discourage and trash hope, but this gives body and sequence to the notion.




Though I use the term to reference the terminology in texts, 'fall' hasn't ever seemed to be a fitting analogy to depict the separation from the godhead.

There is an almighty teaching which I encounter which gives another perspective, in that life has been created as a result of dispersement from a concentrate.  That is to say that the Godhead has seemingly granted intricate access to the eternal 'everything' by allowing each component to break free for our perusal, so that we can disect and explore the very fibre of the all.

The process and purpose of life then is to explore, but at the same time, reverse engineer the dispersed components back to the singular whole. The revelation that the next person is oneself, the works of a book are, in essence the works of oneself and all given is a product is what one will get, is seemingly the indicator that one is on this very path of reconstruction.

The 'big bang' and dispersement of planets and stars is the largest existing analogy of this microcosmic counterpart.  The purpose of life then would be to marry all units separated in the explosion. Human marriage is an indicator in itself of the need to join, achieved through heart.




So, essentially what the bible says albeit glossing over evil/bad, the fall, the back-story preceding creation, and the judgement that accompanies reconstruction and revelations ... I think i finally understand your angle
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23587664 - 08/28/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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nothing exists said:
evil will always overpower good.

good can only do what is good, it is limited. it cannot do evil.

evil can do anything, including co-opting good.  evil can use good against good to destroy the good.

evil always wins.

this is why the knowledge was banned.  once you start down the road of defining good and evil, you are lost.  eventually you will be consumed by evil, a practical insanity.  pure evil becomes obsessed with itself and fades away. 

right and wrong are the proper lenses to examine nature.  wrong has no power over right.  it cannot advance.  right is the status of existence.  it is All.  wrong is destroyed upon becoming, by something right.  in essence, wrong only exists as a marker.

war, right or wrong?  war can happen, death happens.  these are the right things for the circumstances. 

poison?  right for dying.  wrong for living.  accidental overdose?  any outcome is the right one.  if nothing happens, that is wrong (not poison)

wrong, being temporary, becomes right upon resolution (not poison = right)




This is but a product of your own heart, which knows, at its core, that light 'wins' for the sole fact that...

Light is truth. :thumbup:

Your atonement is yours whenever you wish.  Give heart and your repentance will bleach the black.

:cross:





I believe a Platinum Cross is well and Valid! To symbolize the Sacrifice of atonement..which is placed on the sins of the body..and mind..and interesting Spirit complexes.. Retarded in Vein.. is indeed a good degree..of which we are all the notion of a Saint or a Roast Beef...like Joan of Ark...or otherwise Joan of Arc...which is what a Rainbow is anyways..


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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: nothing exists]
    #23587793 - 08/28/16 06:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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sorry for your confusion. good and evil are states of being.




And Love is the highest form of being in the Universe.

How else do you think all those Disney curses could only be broken by true love's kiss?

In the words of John and Paul, "All you need is Love."

Jai Guru Dev OM.


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"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

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"Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous

"Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."


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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: iiilil] * 1
    #23591333 - 08/29/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The world would be in chaos if there was a suspension of judgement/condemnation for those who run amok in society.




That makes me laugh.

If chaos actually exists (and I'm not sure it does) it exists now.

God is love, as 1 John 4:8 states clearly. The Bible does not say god is an invisible spirit in
the sky who exhibits loving characteristics. God and love are synonyms. Jesus claimed to be god.
When Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life" he was promoting love and compassion.
As opposed to hate and the many other ways we cause our own suffering. The Crucifixion is his
demonstration of the death of self. The Prince of Peace said to "Follow me", and take up the cross...
to abandon our selfish ways, and our attachments to what we think is true (knowledge).


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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23594070 - 08/30/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I like to think of it in terms of vibrations.

Things like hate and all that ilk are low density, weak vibrations.

Things like love and compassion are of a higher wavelength.

Right and wrong is the right idea to have. Good and evil are just points of view. Because deep down you know right from wrong. It's hard to identify good and evil.


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"I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay… small acts of kindness and love.” - Gandalf The Grey.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

"I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes!

"Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous

"Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."


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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: LRG]
    #23595642 - 08/30/16 09:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Because deep down you know right from wrong.




I think we know the difference between compassion and hate.

I think we know the difference between kindness and cruelty.

But clearly we are ambivalent about which path to follow.


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    #23595806 - 08/30/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Because deep down you know right from wrong.




I think we know the difference between compassion and hate.

I think we know the difference between kindness and cruelty.

But clearly we are ambivalent about which path to follow.




Do we? Is it okay to lie about something as long as the message is received? Lying is bad but if the end result is positive does that make it okay? Is it okay to tell the truth knowing the truth could break someone or something? I don't think the differences are so cut and dry, which is annoying to say the least.

Whose to say who did it better or which path we should follow? Only you can answer that.


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"I found it is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay… small acts of kindness and love.” - Gandalf The Grey.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle

"I like to think of Jesus like with giant eagle's wings, and singin' lead vocals for Lynyrd Skynyrd with like an angel band and I'm in the front row and I'm HAMMERED DRUNK!" - Cal Naughton Jr. AKA The Magic Man. Abracadabra homes!

"Each tear is a drop of poison released." - Anonymous

"Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say if they knew you believe in God above? They should realize before they criticize that God is the only way to Love."


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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: LRG]
    #23595839 - 08/30/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I take that back. You're right. We often can't see the difference between love and compassion.

Is a liar to be condemned for being "wrong" in their behavior? I don't know.

To embrace the idea of evil compels one to embrace condemnation.


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