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knowledge of good and evil explained
#23547003 - 08/16/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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evil will always overpower good.
good can only do what is good, it is limited. it cannot do evil.
evil can do anything, including co-opting good. evil can use good against good to destroy the good.
evil always wins.
this is why the knowledge was banned. once you start down the road of defining good and evil, you are lost. eventually you will be consumed by evil, a practical insanity. pure evil becomes obsessed with itself and fades away.
right and wrong are the proper lenses to examine nature. wrong has no power over right. it cannot advance. right is the status of existence. it is All. wrong is destroyed upon becoming, by something right. in essence, wrong only exists as a marker.
war, right or wrong? war can happen, death happens. these are the right things for the circumstances.
poison? right for dying. wrong for living. accidental overdose? any outcome is the right one. if nothing happens, that is wrong (not poison)
wrong, being temporary, becomes right upon resolution (not poison = right)
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: nothing exists]
#23548391 - 08/16/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hitler thought he was good
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: sudly]
#23548948 - 08/17/16 04:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kids. Evil is the eyes of beholder. Be a thug
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: tump]
#23549590 - 08/17/16 11:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Try to understand that the human brain is essentially a biological computer. In order to make decisions it requires fixed concepts like, "This is good and that is bad."
Also understand that there is an aspect of ourselves, the witness, the soul, or whatever that does not come from this type of physical reality and is not a product of the human brain.
The knowedge of good and evil refers to the ways in which human beings operate predominantly from the animalistic, logical, linear, physically produced human brain and mind. In doing so they forget what they really are, where they come from, and how the larger outside this universe actually works.
Basically this story talks about how "God", that which exists to help guide human beings warns human beings not to become over reliant on the human brain that they experience life through because to do so means to forget a lot of important things aboit themselves, life, and even end up lost and cut off from further insight and guidance.
Since one of the prime goals of spirituality is to remember what we really are and learn about the larger reality, you could say that one of the prime goals of spirituality is to free one's self/soul from the traps of the human mind or the knowledge of good and evil.
Since the human body belongs to this world and the soul comes from somewhere else, excess attachment to the human mind is what also causes someone to perceive themselves as mortal and not as divine. Therefore the knowledge of good and evil is what causes someone to perceive and experience death.
There is a great deal more to say about this topic, but since most likely nobody will understand or care I'll just leave it at that for now.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: nothing exists] 1
#23549605 - 08/17/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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nothing exists said: evil will always overpower good.
good can only do what is good, it is limited. it cannot do evil.
evil can do anything, including co-opting good. evil can use good against good to destroy the good.
evil always wins.
this is why the knowledge was banned. once you start down the road of defining good and evil, you are lost. eventually you will be consumed by evil, a practical insanity. pure evil becomes obsessed with itself and fades away.
right and wrong are the proper lenses to examine nature. wrong has no power over right. it cannot advance. right is the status of existence. it is All. wrong is destroyed upon becoming, by something right. in essence, wrong only exists as a marker.
war, right or wrong? war can happen, death happens. these are the right things for the circumstances.
poison? right for dying. wrong for living. accidental overdose? any outcome is the right one. if nothing happens, that is wrong (not poison)
wrong, being temporary, becomes right upon resolution (not poison = right)
This is but a product of your own heart, which knows, at its core, that light 'wins' for the sole fact that...
Light is truth. 
Your atonement is yours whenever you wish. Give heart and your repentance will bleach the black.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23550104 - 08/17/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You are so divine... thank you for sharing the wisdom. I know it is not granted to be blessed. Thank you thank you thank you.
Amen
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: yeah]
#23551325 - 08/17/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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This post at this link addresses the existence of evil pragmatically using some established understandings.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23542550#23542550
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: nothing exists]
#23551807 - 08/17/16 11:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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nothing exists said:
evil will always overpower good
Millions of people have defeated anxiety, depression, and addiction.
How do you explain that?
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: nothing exists] 1
#23551978 - 08/18/16 12:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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nothing exists said: evil will always overpower good.
good can only do what is good, it is limited. it cannot do evil. .....
Silly idea pretending to be profound and supposed to be provocative.
However 'evil' and 'good' are adjectives.
By turning them into nouns one creates abstractions that have no basis in reality. This process is called reification and/or nominalization.
I think it is well worthwhile to learn about these terms, and how they effect thought and belief. I learned about nominalization from studying NLP. There is some good material available on these subjects online.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: laughingdog]
#23559911 - 08/20/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good and evil are IDEAS: human ideas.
They're just words, descriptors, and judgements. Big deal. Evil will not always overpower good, only sometimes.
What is evil? Something undesirable or detrimental. Example: Murder What is good? Something desirable or beneficial. Example: Money
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: Alonzo]
#23560178 - 08/20/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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'Good' and 'Bad' / 'Evil' coherent guides of heart to ultimate truth and falsehood.
Words are one of few mediums we have to communicate and fathom the world. The presence of the word, does not eradicate the underlying, ultimate meaning. An elephant is no less an elephant in form without its label. It is only those who will assume the word to be the thing, who will look at the elephant with no admiration or regard.
Failure to understand the essence of each polar of good and bad, is anarchy of itself and the very pinnacle of falsehood.
Money is an object. It can be used for good or bad means. It can feed starving thousands, like a knife, which can otherwise be used to kill, can be utilised to cut food. The 'good' or 'bad' is the heart and essence at the deepest possible core.
A soul who subscribes to 'dog eat dog' (in a world with no underling moral factuality and comprehension of those essences) will surely remain a dog. When the head ventures outside of its kennel, it will see the good, green grass.
Edited by Duncan Rowhl (08/20/16 03:40 PM)
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: Alonzo]
#23560204 - 08/20/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alonzo said: Good and evil are IDEAS: human ideas.
They're just words, descriptors, and judgements. Big deal. Evil will not always overpower good, only sometimes.
What is evil? Something undesirable or detrimental. Example: Murder What is good? Something desirable or beneficial. Example: Money
Idiots and ideas come the same place, the Id.
But the dictionaries will not tell you that, and few could guess why.
The Id by its very notion is heretical, and academia is controlled by the church unconsciously. Therefore nothing heretic can exist in the written history the church tries to tend, control or determine.
Ever hear of JREF? The users at their forum kept calling me an idiot for proving over and over aspects needed to show the twin towers were built to demolish. I realized the above and therefore baited them without telling them, until one of the more accountable there called me an idiot.
I said. "You do not know the root meaning or origins of the word, and you cannot find it."
They posted 1/2 dozen different dictionary versions but failed to identify the Id. I let them go on for quite a while goading them, telling them "they don't know what they don't know".
Finally I dumped it on them in all of its undeniable truth based in our linguistic origins. They were so shamed a revealing silence on the matter ensued. Then one of them made a video that was the ultimate ad hominium featuring screen shots of my 9/11 site and piano/vocalist song ridiculing the "idiot", was uploaded to YouTube. I promptly downloaded it and uploaded it to my site providing the full description you've just read.
JREF immediately pulled their video. Their ad hominium amounted to an default admission that they could not deny structural and other issues competently.
ON EDIT:
This the page I put, but more was added. JREF forum no longer exists.
http://algoxy.com/psych/whatis9-11forums_jref.html
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: AllGreyThumbs] 1
#23568372 - 08/23/16 08:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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AllGreyThumbs said: Try to understand that the human brain is essentially a biological computer. In order to make decisions it requires fixed concepts like, "This is good and that is bad."
wrong. the brain is more like a coil, stimulated by Mind energy. all existence is in the Mind.
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Also understand that there is an aspect of ourselves, the witness, the soul, or whatever that does not come from this type of physical reality and is not a product of the human brain.
wrong. there is no aspect of your self outside of reality. we are an aftershock of the energetic event that causes the universe.
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The knowedge of good and evil refers to the ways in which human beings operate predominantly from the animalistic, logical, linear, physically produced human brain and mind. In doing so they forget what they really are, where they come from, and how the larger outside this universe actually works.
Basically this story talks about how "God", that which exists to help guide human beings warns human beings not to become over reliant on the human brain that they experience life through because to do so means to forget a lot of important things aboit themselves, life, and even end up lost and cut off from further insight and guidance.
Since one of the prime goals of spirituality is to remember what we really are and learn about the larger reality, you could say that one of the prime goals of spirituality is to free one's self/soul from the traps of the human mind or the knowledge of good and evil.
wrong. we are god. no energy is trapped. we can know and do anything. the meaning of life is to know the universe completely.
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Since the human body belongs to this world and the soul comes from somewhere else, excess attachment to the human mind is what also causes someone to perceive themselves as mortal and not as divine.
wrong. the soul is part of the aether, universal. proper use of Mind cultivates clarity in all things. Mind is the immortal divine.
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Therefore the knowledge of good and evil is what causes someone to perceive and experience death.
partly right. obsession causes death. knowledge of good and evil is a mental disorder that becomes obsession. there are many other ways to become obsessed.
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There is a great deal more to say about this topic, but since most likely nobody will understand or care I'll just leave it at that for now.
no more substance can be added to this conversation.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#23568393 - 08/23/16 08:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Duncan Rowhl said:
This is but a product of your own heart, which knows, at its core, that light 'wins' for the sole fact that...
Light is truth. 
Your atonement is yours whenever you wish. Give heart and your repentance will bleach the black.

there can be no light without darkness. light is only half truth. religion is obsession with half truth. religion leads to the death cycle. religion is a death cult. awareness is the path to righteousness.
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ChristopherABrown said: This post at this link addresses the existence of evil pragmatically using some established understandings.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23542550#23542550
yes it does.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23568417 - 08/23/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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nothing exists said:
evil will always overpower good
Millions of people have defeated anxiety, depression, and addiction.
How do you explain that?
no they have not. they put them in their place. those qualities still exist, some can control them. as a learning experience, those qualities can be seen as good.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: laughingdog]
#23568428 - 08/23/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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laughingdog said:
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nothing exists said: evil will always overpower good.
good can only do what is good, it is limited. it cannot do evil. .....
Silly idea pretending to be profound and supposed to be provocative.
However 'evil' and 'good' are adjectives.
By turning them into nouns one creates abstractions that have no basis in reality. This process is called reification and/or nominalization.
I think it is well worthwhile to learn about these terms, and how they effect thought and belief. I learned about nominalization from studying NLP. There is some good material available on these subjects online.
sorry for your confusion. good and evil are states of being.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: Alonzo]
#23568435 - 08/23/16 08:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Alonzo said: Good and evil are IDEAS: human ideas.
They're just words, descriptors, and judgements. Big deal. Evil will not always overpower good, only sometimes.
What is evil? Something undesirable or detrimental. Example: Murder What is good? Something desirable or beneficial. Example: Money
wrong. murder is good, sometimes. money is evil, sometimes.
the problem is plasticity.
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Re: knowledge of good and evil explained [Re: nothing exists]
#23568507 - 08/23/16 09:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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nothing exists said:
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laughingdog said:
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nothing exists said: evil will always overpower good.
good can only do what is good, it is limited. it cannot do evil. .....
Silly idea pretending to be profound and supposed to be provocative.
However 'evil' and 'good' are adjectives.
By turning them into nouns one creates abstractions that have no basis in reality. This process is called reification and/or nominalization.
I think it is well worthwhile to learn about these terms, and how they effect thought and belief. I learned about nominalization from studying NLP. There is some good material available on these subjects online.
sorry for your confusion. good and evil are states of being.
I would have to side with laughing dog because good and evil are only labels, distortions "abstractions that have no basis in reality. "
The abstractions are concepts that effective our existence and beings.
In reality things that are good, have an impact on our lives, they enhance them. Whereas the opposite tends to end them or make them difficult and unrewarding.
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all of life is labels and distortion. pick and choose wisely.
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