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Re: July was the hottest month ever recorded [Re: morrowasted]
    #23547425 - 08/16/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Temperature rise has not been steady over that period, it has been accelerating. The red line in the graph you are talking about is an average over the entire period. By definition, it will be a straight line.

The changes in CO2 levels are not immediately reflected in temperature changes. The earth is a huge heat sink, and relatively small changes in the heat input-output equilibrium take a while to build up.



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Re: July was the hottest month ever recorded [Re: koods]
    #23547430 - 08/16/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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July was the hottest month in 136 years of recorded monthly data. Last month was 1.5° F above the average July temperature. Can we stop pretending that global warming is a hoax?



Agreed. 
The melting ice caps/pack just rained onto Louisiana as evidence.


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Re: July was the hottest month ever recorded [Re: koods]
    #23547437 - 08/16/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Temperature rise has not been steady over that period, it has been accelerating. The red line in the graph you are talking about is an average over the entire period. By definition, it will be a straight line.

The changes in CO2 levels are not immediately reflected in temperature changes. The earth is a huge heat sink, and relatively small changes in the heat input-output equilibrium take a while to build up.





Thanks. I reposted this in the Climate Change debate group on facebook and someone had posted that rebuttal so I just needed to steal a counter-rebuttal from you


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Re: July was the hottest month ever recorded [Re: koods]
    #23547438 - 08/16/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The y-axis in those graphs is "temperature anomaly."

The second graph says anomalies are "deviation from baseline 1880-1910." So what's being used as the baseline to calculate the anomaly?  I'd like to see the magnitude of absolute change, unless I'm missing something.


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Re: July was the hottest month ever recorded [Re: badchad]
    #23547444 - 08/16/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: July was the hottest month ever recorded [Re: IjuzWWa4N]
    #23547477 - 08/16/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Alarmists are still getting all excited about the latest "nino" warming conditions, hoping that it represents an end to the stagnation and a return to the halcyon days of rapid warming of the late 20th century.

But there's a reason for the "O" in "ENSO", and soon enough there will be a comparably powerful "nina" which will drive temperatures down again.

And we'll find ourselves at a state of "no net warming" once more.

It's coming faster than anyone might have predicted, too.






I (perhaps mistakenly) stated that we are accelerating the development of an epoch of natural warming called the Holocene and was rebutted with:

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You have no point
'we are accelerating the warming process that would otherwise be taking place naturally as part of the Holocene...'
Really?
What makes you think warming would be 'natural', right now?
Have you looked at the ice core data?






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What do RSS and UAH satellite data sets have to say? Radiosonde balloon data? Why are you so fixated on ground-level data when there is no way in hell they can come up with an accurate global measurement from such disparate readings? NASA used to be all excited about their satellite data (the "gold standard" they called it), until it started to refute their agenda. Odd that they would rather rely on measurements that are repeatedly adjusted (tortured) to cool the past and warm the present.




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Re: July was the hottest month ever recorded [Re: badchad]
    #23547482 - 08/16/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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badchad said:
The y-axis in those graphs is "temperature anomaly."

The second graph says anomalies are "deviation from baseline 1880-1910." So what's being used as the baseline to calculate the anomaly?  I'd like to see the magnitude of absolute change, unless I'm missing something.




Instead of using absolute temperatures, since that is somewhat meaningless when you are just averaging all the reporting stations globally, they have arbitrarily set the average temperature from 1951 to 1981 as the zero point then graph based on how much a particular year deviates from that average.

The temperature differences are unchanged, they have just "tared" out the actual absolute temperatures so you can easily see the actual increase or decrease.


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Re: July was the hottest month ever recorded [Re: morrowasted]
    #23547497 - 08/16/16 05:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Alarmists are still getting all excited about the latest "nino" warming conditions, hoping that it represents an end to the stagnation and a return to the halcyon days of rapid warming of the late 20th century.

But there's a reason for the "O" in "ENSO", and soon enough there will be a comparably powerful "nina" which will drive temperatures down again.

And we'll find ourselves at a state of "no net warming" once more.

It's coming faster than anyone might have predicted, too.






I (perhaps mistakenly) stated that we are accelerating the development of an epoch of natural warming called the Holocene and was rebutted with:

Quote:

You have no point
'we are accelerating the warming process that would otherwise be taking place naturally as part of the Holocene...'
Really?
What makes you think warming would be 'natural', right now?
Have you looked at the ice core data?






Also

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What do RSS and UAH satellite data sets have to say? Radiosonde balloon data? Why are you so fixated on ground-level data when there is no way in hell they can come up with an accurate global measurement from such disparate readings? NASA used to be all excited about their satellite data (the "gold standard" they called it), until it started to refute their agenda. Odd that they would rather rely on measurements that are repeatedly adjusted (tortured) to cool the past and warm the present.









RSS and UAH are satellite data. They confirm that ground and sea measurement are accurate.


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Re: July was the hottest month ever recorded [Re: koods]
    #23547503 - 08/16/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

im kinda hoping winter stops happening


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Re: July was the hottest month ever recorded [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #23547515 - 08/16/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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im kinda hoping winter stops happening



The last place that's gonna happen is Colorado.


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Re: July was the hottest month ever recorded [Re: koods]
    #23547521 - 08/16/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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We know that CO2 is a major regulator of global climate. CO2 is transparent to light, but opaque to some infrared radiation. This means that sunlight makes it to the surface, but the heat generated by this light cannot escape as easily. CO2 levels are double what they have been over the past hundreds of thousands of years. There is no reasonable explanation for the dramatic heating we are now seeing except for the known properties of carbon dioxide.





What about methane? Isn't it a way worse greenhouse gas than CO2? And I'm sure there's a shitload more livestock than ever before


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Re: July was the hottest month ever recorded [Re: morrowasted]
    #23547567 - 08/16/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Methane levels have increased as well. Methane levels are driven mainly by temperature, and therefore CO2 is the main driver of methane levels (the vast majority of methane comes from the decomposition of organic matter, either to be released immediately or stored in permafrost and hydrates which are released as temperatures increase)

20% of methane release in the US is from agriculture. This may be less now since it turns out that fracking operations have massive amounts of accidental methane releases.

Methane is fucking scary. There is a lot of methane stored at the bottom of the oceans and in permafrost and there could easily be a tipping point where methane becomes the main driver of temperature increases and we get runaway warming.

Methane is a more potent absorber of infrared radiation, but it doesn't linger like CO2 does. It is lighter than air, so it tends to move up in the atmosphere so it doesn't heat the ground level as much as CO2, which is heavier than air. It is also destroyed fairly easily by sunlight.


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Re: July was the hottest month ever recorded [Re: koods]
    #23547981 - 08/16/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Apparently we are way overdue for an ice age. Have we unknowingly been preparing for within the last 100 years? Maybe we have


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Re: July was the hottest month ever recorded [Re: Patlal]
    #23547990 - 08/16/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think the next ice age is a few thousand years away


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Re: July was the hottest month ever recorded [Re: koods]
    #23548016 - 08/16/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I think the next ice age is a few thousand years away




Apparently it's been overdue for a few thousand years. Oh well...


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Re: July was the hottest month ever recorded [Re: Blend]
    #23548041 - 08/16/16 08:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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deadendeavor said:
Hell yeah, world record!  Keep it up guys! :shineon:




Haha this guy..

Anyways only time will make all you stop arguing. In a fucked up way I think it would be a good for the planet and our future if it was our fault and there was chaos. As tragic as it may be it would hopefully make us change. That is unless people started fighting for resources and just started nuking each other to finish the job.
But that would be sad that all this biological diversity would be destroyed :frown:


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Re: July was the hottest month ever recorded [Re: koods]
    #23548431 - 08/16/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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July was the hottest month in 136 years of recorded monthly data. Last month was 1.5° F above the average July temperature. Can we stop pretending that global warming is a hoax?



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2016/08/16/july-was-absolutely-earths-hottest-month-ever-recorded/






wow. by 3% of 1 degree... it's like we're living n the fucking sun


we havent even broken 96F in georgia yet, normally we're seeing 105F by mid august


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Re: July was the hottest month ever recorded [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23548603 - 08/17/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

we are in an ice age right now. apparently there is more ice n the antarctic then ever, according to Ben Shapero


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Re: July was the hottest month ever recorded [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #23548635 - 08/17/16 12:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Did Ben tell you the whole story, or just the part that fits his ideology?

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[Sea ice surrounding Antarctica reached a new record high extent this year, covering more of the southern oceans than it has since scientists began a long-term satellite record to map sea ice extent in the late 1970s. The upward trend in the Antarctic, however, is only about a third of the magnitude of the rapid loss of sea ice in the Arctic Ocean.




http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum


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Re: July was the hottest month ever recorded [Re: koods]
    #23548647 - 08/17/16 12:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

we dont need santa clause anyway


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