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Set myself on fire twice using SAB?
    #23546740 - 08/16/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hey everyone.


So I'm inclined to believe I'm not doing something right. I set up my SAB on a tray in a small closet. Got shower, got in closet naked. Sprayed inside of SAB with alcohol.  Put gloves on. Used alcohol on the gloves, put alcohol pad, syringe, jars, etc in SAB. Lit my syringe with a torch, and poof. I was engulfed in flames. My arms and hands. Luckily I had gloves on. Ripped them off. Blew all the fire out.

So, I got a gallon of water incase this happened again. Did a few jars no problem,, alcoholed the needle for each jar. 4th or 5th one later, it happened Again. I was more on fire this time. But I got the water and put it all out.


Surely you guys don't often set yourself on fire often doing this.... Am I using too much alcohol? Maybe my SAB is too small?


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23546754 - 08/16/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Dude... are you flaming your needles INSIDE your SAB? Also, it isn't necessary to use alcohol on the needle if you're going to flame sterilize it. Also also, don't even bother using alcohol inside the still air box. Just spray some soapy water on the walls so the potential contaminants stick when the air settles.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23546756 - 08/16/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Alcohol is highly flammable, you should be using a bleach solution.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23546762 - 08/16/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hahaha oh man I can totally relate, I lit my whole arm on fire...second degree burns!

The vapors ate highly flammable,  and if your in a small closet they probably built up and ignited lighting the residue left on you.

Wait longer in between applying the alcohol and approaching the flame. And get out of that closet!

I switched to bleach/dishsoap/water solution for inside box..and flame and or alcohol outside box

Im hoping your flame is outside of the box?


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: alexmir] * 1
    #23546763 - 08/16/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Shit wtf am I doing.

Didn't wanna sound like a dumbass asking if alcohol was the thing to use, because I've used it often in the past just never really used a SAB much.

Yes flaming inside the box...

I burned all my arm hairs off.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23546765 - 08/16/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

DON'T use a lighter with this method! Next time use a clear plastic bag the kind you recycle in. Put the alcohol spray bottle in the bag with the syringe and jars and tie it air tight shut leave it only half full of air so you can use the corners as gloves. Spray everything down with the 99% alcohol including the bag, jars and syringes from the outside by using the corners as gloves. Then wait 15 min then using the corners as gloves inoculate the jars, only when finished open the bag up and take out the now inoculated jars and empty syringes. Went from 20 to 40 contamination to 0% every time!


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23546766 - 08/16/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I was under the impression every movement I made had to be done inside the cramped SAB. Removing foil from lids, wiping the jars down with the wipe to clean them and the lids.


Was just trying to be as sterile as I thought I could be. Almost burned the house down. Twice.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23546772 - 08/16/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

ALWAYS flame outside of box...will solve all your problems...as far as lighting yourself on fire goes lol


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23546779 - 08/16/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Well shit. I did 6 jars all flaming inside the box.

Didn't bring no bullshit in there haha, maybe these will turn out good.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23546784 - 08/16/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's all good dude. The heat from the flame actually creates an air current within the still air box so it's not only a fire hazard but it raises your chances of contamination. If you're flaming your needles until they're red hot nothing that touches them on their way into the still air box will survive. Also, disregard that advice about the bag. If anything you should be using 70% alcohol to sanitize. It's to my understanding the extra water content helps penetrate the cell walls of the nasties. Everything you're doing is fine, just get that flame out of there and spray your box down with soapy water before use next time.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Dactylium]
    #23546811 - 08/16/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Dude. You use soapy water in a spray bottle. alcohol vapors ignite and don't sterilize anything. Youre tying to trap contaminants to the sides. Not sterilize your box. Switch to soapy water and you won't see fire every time you use your box and will fight contams much better


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Dactylium]
    #23546822 - 08/16/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Your not looking to sanitise or sterilise the inside of an SAB. Your looking to put some form of way for airborne particles and such to stick to the walls of the SAB and the floor. You don't even need bleach... I don't know where people are reading this info. Just water or soapy water sprayed inside the SAB. I use a towel on the bottom but only to properly seal my SAB. I also spray the towel so as its slightly damp to make the particles stick to it and not fly around the SAB when moving things around.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Dactylium]
    #23546832 - 08/16/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

People who don't understand how flammable vapors work shouldn't be working with products that create flammable vapors.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Juiceh]
    #23546869 - 08/16/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

This whole thread is filled with crazy info.

Op, you do not need to sanitize your sab, so alcohol is useless. I use a
soapy water concoction i cooked up by putting soap in water :lol: Before
sab work, spray all the walls and floor of your sab and wait 15 or so minutes
for the air to settle then get to work.

The sab works on the concept of still air not sanitation.

Also, it should go without saying that you flame sterilize OUTSIDE your sab
and, while still red hot, bring your tool inside the sab to cool. If you
sterilize inside the box, heat vapors created by the lighter stir up the
air inside, defeating its purpose.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Juiceh] * 1
    #23546875 - 08/16/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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People who don't understand how flammable vapors work shouldn't be working with products that create flammable vapors.




Hahaha.

Moab, this post is awesome. Thanks man!

I'm over here worried about my monotub starting to fruit and you're lighting yourself on fire! Hahah

Not intending to troll you or anything, this was just a breathe of fresh air kind of thread... lol


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: natedawgnow]
    #23546877 - 08/16/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting info. I can pick through the good and the bad. Honest mistake. Should've researched better.

And yeah no harm no foul. Could've been really bad, but turned out alright.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: morty422]
    #23546889 - 08/16/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If I was OP I wouldn't have admitted to this in a thread. lol

Fuck....
All you have to do is use the damn search engine

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Dish soap and water. I used to use alcohol but it's to expensive and dries to quickly to do the job properly. Water and soap work great to trap contaminants on the floor and walls of your SAB.




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but I put Lysol in it mostly and let it sit for at least 10 min. And that seems to be working great, but if I am wasting money , as in of soapy water spray works, I need to give it a shot, I just hate to fuck something up as I know the Lysol works,




I used to buy Lysol and Oust and what-not, but I discovered it to be a waste of money.

The soap and water in a spray bottle is very effective because sterility is not required in a SAB. You just want the air to be still so nothing will drift in to your sterile media.

The reason I use soap water is because it doesn't dry up fast. Contams will stick to the wet surfaces. I don't take much. Also the mist attaches to some of the particles and drags them down where they stick to the damp surface.

Lysol, alcohol, bleach, Oust, or whatever isn't any more affective in this. I wipe my SAB down occasionally, but being anal is not required.

I do G2G and agar work in mine and rarely get contamination. It took me a long time to realize no chemical will ever make up for sloppy technique.





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Your SAb does not have to be sterile, or even sanitary....it just has to provide a draft free environment.

Wetting the walls with anything will work....

And chemicals sanitize, heat sterilizes.

We cannot sterilize our SABs....





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That's a joke right?

A plastic bag without the wind tunnel machine would work far better.  You want still air.
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Use still air, or buy a laminar flow hood.  Don't attempt to put a fan and/or filter on a glovebox or you'll increase rate of contamination.

You also don't spray lysol in a glovebox.  Use soap and water, and you can spray the inside with plain water to trap and hold contaminants while you work.
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I don't fix my gloves to my SAB ever...It gives you more freedom w/ in the SAB...dude, seriously, you need to check the SAB in my sig...I'm telling you. It's exact design is from RR (not personally, but my study of his SAB in his videos)

Please don't discredit those of us w/ tried & true methods. We all know RR is a guru on here, but we all have valuable advice...




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A fan is the worst possible thing you can do to a glovebox.  There is also no need to spray lysol or oust in a GB.  Wipe it with a damp cloth and go to work.  There is nothing sterile about a glovebox.  STILL air is what you want.
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Still air is what you want!~

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mine.... http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4359637


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I would never recommend 'open air' anything related to inoculations of grains, petri dishes, or even pf cakes.  It's just too easy to build a simple still air box as shown in more than one post above.
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as long as the air inside the box was still, you can achieve many things with very little as long as your sterile tek is good, if you werent going in and out of your box and worked quickly but smoothly (not having to take your arms in and out) your good. :thumbup:

you only need to wet the walls with a lil spray of soapy water in your GB.  the whole reason to do that is so if there are any airborn contams they will stick to the sides/bottom of the GB and not land in your work, not to "sterilize/sanitize the GB.  its good to wipe it out with iso alc but wet it down w/soapy water for best results. :super:




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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23547023 - 08/16/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So.... You're doing your inoculations naked?  :whatwhat:


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Bikerfool]
    #23547040 - 08/16/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Your not looking to sanitise or sterilise the inside of an SAB. Your looking to put some form of way for airborne particles and such to stick to the walls of the SAB and the floor. You don't even need bleach... I don't know where people are reading this info. Just water or soapy water sprayed inside the SAB. I use a towel on the bottom but only to properly seal my SAB. I also spray the towel so as its slightly damp to make the particles stick to it and not fly around the SAB when moving things around.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23547583 - 08/16/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Hey everyone.


So I'm inclined to believe I'm not doing something right. I set up my SAB on a tray in a small closet. Got shower, got in closet naked.                                                .                                                            ....bro you know you can put clothes on right.lmao


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: theGODSmademedoit]
    #23547602 - 08/16/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sorry but this thread is really funny.  :canthelpbutlaugh:
....the dumb things we do in life.....


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Kenetic]
    #23547671 - 08/16/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Got in shower got in closet naked.....yup thats still funny a tear came out laughing. ...man i needed a good laugh like that today. thanks op.                                        God damn if you did blow your self up or start a fire just imagine how the fire dept and ems would find him.                          Buttnaked burned and fucked up in front of a SAB.              Fire dept probably be all like WTF is going on?????


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: theGODSmademedoit]
    #23547677 - 08/16/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23547787 - 08/16/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I dilute my alcohol with water to 70% : it's less flammable (but the vapours can still be. Flame OUTSIDE the box.), evaporates slower (you want surfaces coated with liquid to trap particles) and more efficient for sanitization (source).

Edit: Ok it might sounds like I said to vaporise this stuff ("vapours")... Do not, it's for rubbing purposes.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Piezo]
    #23547796 - 08/16/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I dilute my alcohol with water to 70% : it's less flammable (but the vapours can still be. Flame OUTSIDE the box.), evaporates slower (you want surfaces coated with liquid to trap particles) and more efficient for sanitization (source).



:justno:i dilute my soap with water and get to fucking work


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: cronicr]
    #23547823 - 08/16/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

haha that's right


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Kenetic]
    #23547862 - 08/16/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If anything alcohol evaporates faster and quits doing its job of making stuff stick to the walls, soap water keeps the walls wet longer.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Piezo]
    #23547874 - 08/16/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Plus you might start a fire while doing naked SAB work.....so no alcohol use soapy water and flame needle outside sab.......jeez have you learned nothing from this thread piezo???


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: theGODSmademedoit]
    #23547932 - 08/16/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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jeez have you learned nothing from this thread piezo???



I've always vaporized soap water and/or bleach inside the SAB. I still use alcohol for wiping my jar and gloves. It allows to dissolve oils and produce some kind of sanitization (not for mold spores, I know...). I just wanted to highlight that 70% is a lot safer than pure ethanol and more efficient.

I know this thread is utter nonsense, but right now you are overreacting...


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Piezo]
    #23547947 - 08/16/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

70% works better than 90-100% yes, 70% does kill mold and mold spores, it doesn't kill some/most bacterial spores.

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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Piezo]
    #23547992 - 08/16/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I've always vaporized soap water and/or bleach inside the SAB




What the fuck does this mean?

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70% works better than 90-100% yes, 70% does kill mold and mold spores, it doesn't kill some/most bacterial spores.

it has its purpose, and it's not as a spray





this is the first I'm hearing of iso killing mold spores.  Why can you put iso on agar and have it produce mold then?

OP the fact that you set yourself on fire, not once, but twice, and are getting naked and going in the closet and shit.  :rofl:

I just don't know what to say about all that...  Other than LOL


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: cronicr]
    #23548036 - 08/16/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Life will be so much easier in the closet with soap and water.(gay joke?)
It really is though, that's all you need in that SAB.
One of the pro's of having a hood and a space is being able to use alcohol when it's really needed, like cleaning master jars, spawn bags and plates, but I remember working in a closet and after a while alcohol fumes would just make me ill.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23548092 - 08/16/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

All the years I've been on here, people are still setting themselves on fire this way. haha


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Othyem]
    #23548103 - 08/16/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe eventually so many people will have set themselves on fire it pops up in the search results all the time like cobweb and overlay.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23548177 - 08/16/16 08:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That sucks.  Glad you're ok.

I myself had way too many close-calls with open flame + cleaning tools or alcohol lamp + clumsiness.  Not to mention the tediousness of flaming something red-hot.

This...



The Electric Transfer Tool Sterilizer was the answer to those woes.  You still have to be careful, as it's very hot. 

You still don't want it inside any SAB.  Safety first.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23548195 - 08/16/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Maybe eventually so many people will have set themselves on fire it pops up in the search results all the time like cobweb and overlay.




"Am I on fire?"

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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: mycohumanity]
    #23548212 - 08/16/16 09:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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That sucks.  Glad you're ok.

I myself had way too many close-calls with open flame + cleaning tools or alcohol lamp + clumsiness.  Not to mention the tediousness of flaming something red-hot.

This...



The Electric Transfer Tool Sterilizer was the answer to those woes.  You still have to be careful, as it's very hot. 

You still don't want it inside any SAB.  Safety first.



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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23548235 - 08/16/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Overpriced?  Yes.

Bling?  Depends on who you ask.

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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: mycohumanity]
    #23548251 - 08/16/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Literally the same job as a torch does. Except if you're too disabled to handle fire.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23548298 - 08/16/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Disability has nothing to do with it.  Safety & speed does.

Now, at least, anyone can do a search of this tool in the shroomery and find someone that has had success with it. 

Otherwise, flame-on.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23548305 - 08/16/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The feeling of being on fire, twice, gave me that time stopping feeling. I knew I was on fire, and knew I had to do something about it. One I put myself out, the alcohol fumes all inside the still are box was on fire. Especially my alcoholed paper towel. I blew the first fire out.

Second one I doused with water. Ruined my cool torch but oh well.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23548664 - 08/17/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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slow the fuck down and focus.



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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #23549361 - 08/17/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

How to do SAB with alcohol? Pour yourself a beer and drink it between transfers :rofl:

Alcohol is supposed to be a safety net/for fun. Not a hazard lol. You're supposed to be the hazard when consuming it.


I can honestly say that I haven't touched alcohol during sab work for at least half a year. That includes wiping down colonizing Petris in open air for a couple weeks. I don't wipe my hands. You don't need alcohol. You need water, flame, and a confident technique.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23549815 - 08/17/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ouch !! I lit my arm on fire making hash oil once . Fire can be a real pain . As a few people have said , you dont need fire and alcohol just flame sterilize.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: JesusDaMartian]
    #23550173 - 08/17/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I always drink a few beers take a shower. Brush teeth. Put a dip in, blast some tunes and do my transfers naked. Seems standard protocol to me. Feels right.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: d0urd3n]
    #23550302 - 08/17/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I will third that motion...I also have no problem admitting I do my SAB work naked as well, just not in the closet lol!

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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23550345 - 08/17/16 03:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Doesn't being naked expose an unnessesary amount of dead skin cells? (including the body parts you never get to use lol).

But seriously cover your arms and hands at least.....


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Kenetic]
    #23550364 - 08/17/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't cover my hands nor my arms. A good understanding of sabs means you don't need any of that shit. Just don't let anything hover over open media, and use a big ass sab. Even if your alcohol soaked gloved hand went over open media, you're done. I generally wear a T shirt during work, and don't glove up or anything.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23550372 - 08/17/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23550376 - 08/17/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

nothing wrong with it, I'm just a control freak


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Kenetic]
    #23550379 - 08/17/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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nothing wrong with it, I'm just a control freak



Noooo dont be.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: theGODSmademedoit]
    #23550723 - 08/17/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I rock a tyvek painting suit, but to each his own.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Othyem]
    #23550730 - 08/17/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Know how to work with the SAB you can do it in a room with a cat litter box sitting on a couch

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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Othyem]
    #23550740 - 08/17/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I rock a tyvek painting suit, but to each his own.



thems is super hot tried it once and never again. made sterile work seem like hell but I do long sessions
then I started using freshly sterilized tyvek sleeves and fresh gloves but slowly I stopped using the tyvek and sometimes no gloves too


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: tombosley8]
    #23550745 - 08/17/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm use to it. I use one when I'm tending to the ladies too, so I Don't reek of weed all day.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23562802 - 08/21/16 11:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm seeing people say to flame sterilise outside the SAB, as the flame/heat will otherwise move the air around and defeat the SAB's purpose.. but surely taking your arms in and out of the SAB will be just as bad, if not worse?!

Entertaining thread  :smile:


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Pantheist]
    #23562865 - 08/21/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No. Air movement by hands is not constant the "still" air relatively to the moving air creates a lot of drag so it arrests the new moving air. A flame creates constant convection from it creating draw as it consumes oxygen and the  heat from the flame

I run a propane blowtorch UL100 brass tip for the blue bottle or green camping bottles. On low outside the SAB on the whole time I'm doing SAB work


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Pantheist] * 1
    #23563362 - 08/21/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm seeing people say to flame sterilise outside the SAB, as the flame/heat will otherwise move the air around and defeat the SAB's purpose.. but surely taking your arms in and out of the SAB will be just as bad, if not worse?!

Entertaining thread  :smile:




Thank god you came and enlightened us to this obvious hole in our logic!  What would we ever do if some guy who's never done this hadn't came and laid bare how futile and self-defeating our advice is..  Good thing we're on the internet where anyone can voice their doubts on common techniques that thousands of people use.

Back to flaming inside the box.  Because, you know, this thread wasn't a lesson or anything.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23563917 - 08/21/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

Pantheist said:
I'm seeing people say to flame sterilise outside the SAB, as the flame/heat will otherwise move the air around and defeat the SAB's purpose.. but surely taking your arms in and out of the SAB will be just as bad, if not worse?!

Entertaining thread  :smile:




Thank god you came and enlightened us to this obvious hole in our logic!  What would we ever do if some guy who's never done this hadn't came and laid bare how futile and self-defeating our advice is..  Good thing we're on the internet where anyone can voice their doubts on common techniques that thousands of people use.

Back to flaming inside the box.  Because, you know, this thread wasn't a lesson or anything.




So flame inside the box right? That's what you're getting at? Inside......the box... :smile:

I got a bad rating because of my banter towards you. Someone got butthurt that I wasn't messing with them, I guess? Hehe.

I'll wear it with honor... :smile:


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: morty422]
    #23563924 - 08/21/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

redz is having a period of lashing out, you'll have to excuse him. :lol:  He lost all focus when Jeremy the Gerbil passed.  Actually looks like he pulled it.  :lol:


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23563957 - 08/21/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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redz is having a period of lashing out, you'll have to excuse him. :lol:  He lost all focus when Jeremy the Gerbil passed.  Actually looks like he pulled it.  :lol:




So I guess this means we can go back to...
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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: morty422]
    #23564029 - 08/21/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:girlofdisapproval:


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23994432 - 01/09/17 05:45 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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No. Air movement by hands is not constant the "still" air relatively to the moving air creates a lot of drag so it arrests the new moving air. A flame creates constant convection from it creating draw as it consumes oxygen and the  heat from the flame

I run a propane blowtorch UL100 brass tip for the blue bottle or green camping bottles. On low outside the SAB on the whole time I'm doing SAB work




Thanks, couldn't have asked for a better response to help me understand the logic behind the process, and thus make me look at things more objectively.

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Quote:

Pantheist said:
I'm seeing people say to flame sterilise outside the SAB, as the flame/heat will otherwise move the air around and defeat the SAB's purpose.. but surely taking your arms in and out of the SAB will be just as bad, if not worse?!

Entertaining thread  :smile:




Thank god you came and enlightened us to this obvious hole in our logic!  What would we ever do if some guy who's never done this hadn't came and laid bare how futile and self-defeating our advice is..  Good thing we're on the internet where anyone can voice their doubts on common techniques that thousands of people use.

Back to flaming inside the box.  Because, you know, this thread wasn't a lesson or anything.




You sound incredibly salty mate. When I said 'entertaining thread' I was referring to chap blowing himself up with his SAB. Perhaps you already understand this and you just don't like anyone questioning the methodology for processes here. That's exactly what I was doing, asking a question. I'm sorry this somehow damaged your fragile ego, next time I don't understand why I'm doing something, perhaps I'll just continue to do it without learning anything. Seems logical.



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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Pantheist]
    #23994437 - 01/09/17 05:50 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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Quote:

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No. Air movement by hands is not constant the "still" air relatively to the moving air creates a lot of drag so it arrests the new moving air. A flame creates constant convection from it creating draw as it consumes oxygen and the  heat from the flame

I run a propane blowtorch UL100 brass tip for the blue bottle or green camping bottles. On low outside the SAB on the whole time I'm doing SAB work




Thanks, couldn't have asked for a better response to help me understand the logic behind the process, and thus make me look at things more objectively.

Quote:

Inocuole said:
Quote:

Pantheist said:
I'm seeing people say to flame sterilise outside the SAB, as the flame/heat will otherwise move the air around and defeat the SAB's purpose.. but surely taking your arms in and out of the SAB will be just as bad, if not worse?!

Entertaining thread  :smile:




Thank god you came and enlightened us to this obvious hole in our logic!  What would we ever do if some guy who's never done this hadn't came and laid bare how futile and self-defeating our advice is..  Good thing we're on the internet where anyone can voice their doubts on common techniques that thousands of people use.

Back to flaming inside the box.  Because, you know, this thread wasn't a lesson or anything.




I was asking a question - I'm sorry this somehow damaged your fragile ego.



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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
    #23994546 - 01/09/17 07:52 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Well if it helps I no longer use sleeves or whatever, just gloves.  No soap and water either....

Wow, a lot changed in four months lol.

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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23994569 - 01/09/17 08:13 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

um....how about wait for the alcohol to evaporate & dry before setting fire to it?  just a thought.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: sprinkles]
    #23994583 - 01/09/17 08:18 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Sprinks, you don't belong in mush cult obviously.

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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Kenetic]
    #23994874 - 01/09/17 11:06 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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Well if it helps I no longer use sleeves or whatever, just gloves.  No soap and water either....

Wow, a lot changed in four months lol.

Way to bring that horse back from the dead though...





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    #23994898 - 01/09/17 11:14 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Thats correct


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    #23994930 - 01/09/17 11:32 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

i still give mine a light spray but 4 months ago you would think i was prepping for a apollo mission when i did SAB work.

now its just gloves. alc wipes. torch. no mask, my glasses fog up :oldman:
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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Kenetic]
    #23994938 - 01/09/17 11:36 AM (7 years, 21 days ago)

This has cracked me up! LMAO I read it outloud to my fiance while she was in the shower! I'll never be afraid to ask a question on here again! lololol.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23995071 - 01/09/17 12:15 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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Shit wtf am I doing.

Didn't wanna sound like a dumbass asking if alcohol was the thing to use, because I've used it often in the past just never really used a SAB much.

Yes flaming inside the box...

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Did it never cross your mind that this might be a bad idea? Did you not know that alcohol is highly flammable? If you look on any product label it will have a warning stating if the product is flammable, that way you know not use a lighter after you spray a bunch of it in a small enclosed space.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Kenetic]
    #23995470 - 01/09/17 02:58 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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Well if it helps I no longer use sleeves or whatever, just gloves.  No soap and water either....

Wow, a lot changed in four months lol.

Way to bring that horse back from the dead though...





So you no longer wet your sab before work?





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Thats correct



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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23995481 - 01/09/17 03:03 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Honestly I skip spraying the inside down like half the time lol.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23995484 - 01/09/17 03:04 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

I don't see what the problem is considering my contam rate is extremely low, not even worth mentioning.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Kenetic]
    #23995487 - 01/09/17 03:06 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

id be to paranoid to try. i want the ickys floating to land and stick to the walls and stuff.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: mushboy]
    #23995499 - 01/09/17 03:13 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

I doubt that's actually what happens. Sure some sticks. Most go to the floor. It works on still air more than anything else


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: mushboy]
    #23995505 - 01/09/17 03:15 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

just too easy to spray and I like the smell of the soap while I work.

I do pretty long sab sessions so I will respray the walls about every 1/2-1 hour just to be sure it is completely wet.

Does anyone know how long I should wait after spraying inside the sab before the air is still and the mist has settled?


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23995516 - 01/09/17 03:22 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)



Flame port :popcorn:

Set the torch outside the box and just put the scalpel/syringe through the hole into the flame.

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    #23995523 - 01/09/17 03:25 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Throw a mag glass into the lid, great for hard to see contams and transfers :awesomenod:



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    #23995556 - 01/09/17 03:37 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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Throw a mag glass into the lid, great for hard to see contams and transfers :awesomenod:






That's whatsup


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Kenetic]
    #23995567 - 01/09/17 03:42 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

And I stopped using soap and water strictly because I hated the residue that built up on everything, and if I sprayed with petris or something in the sab it makes them slippery as hell and actually makes me paranoid that it's increasing the contam rate to have all the residue all over everything. 

If I ever spray it's only if I'm gonna be in there for a while and it's only with water.  I'm not suggesting people do it, mainly just pointing out how much I hate the residue.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Kenetic] * 1
    #23995568 - 01/09/17 03:42 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

The lid is eye level for me so I would have to stand up to look through the magnifying glass.

I've never spent more than 5-15m at the SAB station. Longest I've ever had to do sab work was when i did three sleeves of dishes in one go

Residue = way too much soap per water.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #23995588 - 01/09/17 03:50 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

yah i use like a drop of dish soap in a old windex bottle


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: mushboy]
    #23995597 - 01/09/17 03:52 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

I used a couple drops but it was in a really small bottle.....  maybe that's why I'm prejudice lol.  In any case I don't need it.


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    #23995611 - 01/09/17 03:57 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

I have a 500ml sprayer from Walgreens I put one drop of dish soap in


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
    #23995650 - 01/09/17 04:11 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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No. Air movement by hands is not constant the "still" air relatively to the moving air creates a lot of drag so it arrests the new moving air. A flame creates constant convection from it creating draw as it consumes oxygen and the  heat from the flame

I run a propane blowtorch UL100 brass tip for the blue bottle or green camping bottles. On low outside the SAB on the whole time I'm doing SAB work




Thanks, couldn't have asked for a better response to help me understand the logic behind the process, and thus make me look at things more objectively.

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I'm seeing people say to flame sterilise outside the SAB, as the flame/heat will otherwise move the air around and defeat the SAB's purpose.. but surely taking your arms in and out of the SAB will be just as bad, if not worse?!

Entertaining thread  :smile:




Thank god you came and enlightened us to this obvious hole in our logic!  What would we ever do if some guy who's never done this hadn't came and laid bare how futile and self-defeating our advice is..  Good thing we're on the internet where anyone can voice their doubts on common techniques that thousands of people use.

Back to flaming inside the box.  Because, you know, this thread wasn't a lesson or anything.




I was asking a question - I'm sorry this somehow damaged your fragile ego.



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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23995787 - 01/09/17 04:57 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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Hey everyone.


So I'm inclined to believe I'm not doing something right. I set up my SAB on a tray in a small closet. Got shower, got in closet naked. Sprayed inside of SAB with alcohol.  Put gloves on. Used alcohol on the gloves, put alcohol pad, syringe, jars, etc in SAB. Lit my syringe with a torch, and poof. I was engulfed in flames. My arms and hands. Luckily I had gloves on. Ripped them off. Blew all the fire out.

So, I got a gallon of water incase this happened again. Did a few jars no problem,, alcoholed the needle for each jar. 4th or 5th one later, it happened Again. I was more on fire this time. But I got the water and put it all out.


Surely you guys don't often set yourself on fire often doing this.... Am I using too much alcohol? Maybe my SAB is too small?





a fire extinguisher might work better than water but research works pretty well. 

BTW i would suggest using iso alcohol in a SAB, without the flame. 

i did not read all the post so i do not know if any of this has been suggested or covered.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: enlightened seed]
    #23995789 - 01/09/17 04:57 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

always use a flame:facepalm3:


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: mushboy]
    #23995804 - 01/09/17 05:01 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

flame or get flamed


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    #23995873 - 01/09/17 05:29 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Oh shit a pubber! :breakout:


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Josex]
    #23995884 - 01/09/17 05:32 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

I don't know if it's been mentioned but why in the world are people spraying the inside of their SABs with anything other than light soapy water?

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    #23995894 - 01/09/17 05:34 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Right, you aint gonna kill shit no matter with what you spray, at least soapy water helps keep things wet for longer


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    #23995896 - 01/09/17 05:36 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Spray inside of SAB with soapy water. Spray towel that you'll be setting the SAB on with soapy water. Flip SAB upside down and shoot a few more loads in. Load materials. Wait for micropore or other filters to dry. Go to work. It ain't hard..


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Adden]
    #23996014 - 01/09/17 06:02 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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Spray inside of SAB with soapy water. Spray towel that you'll be setting the SAB on with soapy water. Flip SAB upside down and shoot a few more loads in. Load materials. Wait for micropore or other filters to dry. Go to work. It ain't hard..




Sounds easy enough.

It's my understanding that soap spray works by having droplets capture and hold any "bits of crud" that are floating around in the air, and keep anything already on the walls of the SAB locked there.

I've also read some research on just what it takes to absolutely sterilize by using chemical sprays, and the results are less than you'd expect from the advertising. 10 or 20 minutes wait time for simple disinfection (get rid of living microbes) and hours of waiting for exotic chemistry to sterilize (get rid of anything that could grow).

What I haven't seen is any study on using plain old Febreeze or a generic. It's a sugar molecule that gloms on to airborne odor molecules and drags them to the floor. Harmless, it works by physically grabbing stuff rather than trying to kill things. I can vouch that the "Zep" brand generic is not flammable.

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Spray inside of SAB with soapy water. Spray towel that you'll be setting the SAB on with soapy water. Flip SAB upside down and shoot a few more loads in. Load materials. Wait for micropore or other filters to dry. Go to work. It ain't hard..




Sounds easy enough.

It's my understanding that soap spray works by having droplets capture and hold any "bits of crud" that are floating around in the air, and keep anything already on the walls of the SAB locked there.

I've also read some research on just what it takes to absolutely sterilize by using chemical sprays, and the results are less than you'd expect from the advertising. 10 or 20 minutes wait time for simple disinfection (get rid of living microbes) and hours of waiting for exotic chemistry to sterilize (get rid of anything that could grow).

What I haven't seen is any study on using plain old Febreeze or a generic. It's a sugar molecule that gloms on to airborne odor molecules and drags them to the floor. Harmless, it works by physically grabbing stuff rather than trying to kill things. I can vouch that the "Zep" brand generic is not flammable.

Anybody want to test it as an SAB spray?



Ineffective, waste of time and money. Its a STILL air box not a sterile air box. Won't add any benefit on top of just spraying with soap and water.


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Re: Set myself on fire twice using SAB? [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23996046 - 01/09/17 06:11 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

I use nothing or some water spray with a drop of soap. Not that this is a dick measuring contest but what results back up using bullshit chemicals?


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    #23996382 - 01/09/17 07:41 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Well, after I made this this thread, I never set myself on fire again. So there's that atleast :smile:


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