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Pastywhyte
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: Peteyboy]
#23546879 - 08/16/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you have jars not yet birthed I would
Leave em another week or two in the jar.
Birth, dunk, put back in the jar.
Case the top with coir or verm.
Fruit in SGFC.
Once pins are an inch tall add a few cc's of water to each jar at night and drain off in the morning.
You also harvested that fruit in your pic too early. With PE we wait for the caps to turn gold and bumps to form on the stipe right under the cap. That one had 2 days to go still.
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23546914 - 08/16/16 01:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: If you have jars not yet birthed I would
Leave em another week or two in the jar.
Birth, dunk, put back in the jar.
Case the top with coir or verm.
Fruit in SGFC.
Once pins are an inch tall add a few cc's of water to each jar at night and drain off in the morning.
You also harvested that fruit in your pic too early. With PE we wait for the caps to turn gold and bumps to form on the stipe right under the cap. That one had 2 days to go still.
I will definitely be doing this!!
I was considering going to trays with some of the jars after reading about them being stubborn on cakes. But this method seems like mini trays!
Edited by Peteyboy (08/16/16 01:29 PM)
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: Peteyboy]
#23547006 - 08/16/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think your cakes are too wet
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23547029 - 08/16/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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morty422 said: Penis envy type varieties take a very long time to pin and need far more water than most classic cubes. Because of this they tend to do poorly on cakes unless you consolidate for 2-3 weeks since they just dry out while sitting in the chamber. Once pinning they often need more water than the cakes can provide so bottom watering is needed to supply extra once the pinset is in. They also seem to prefer a better casing than simple vermiculite.
Because of these things PE is often recommended to not be done on cakes. If those were mine however I would simply redunk them and that might help. Next time if you do PE on cakes let them consolidate longer and leave them in the jars. Case with coir and top fruit. You will see far better results.
I heard this while reading you. This explains everything! Like, 42 and all.
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Pastywhyte said: Zing!
Pasty for the win.
Also-Welcome to the Shroomery! This place is awesome!
Indeed, it is 
Ok, so I'll dunk them all once more for 20h -- they're plunged right now.
EDIT: Removed question. Finally figured it out - misunderstood as english not my first language.
Edited by darling (08/16/16 04:21 PM)
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: darling]
#23552519 - 08/18/16 07:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Now redunked and covered worth coir and verm ☺
After the dunk, that had lots of knots
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Edited by darling (08/18/16 07:52 AM)
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: darling]
#23552541 - 08/18/16 08:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good luck!! Keeping my fingers crossed for you!!
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: Peteyboy] 1
#23552544 - 08/18/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good luck  Hope you get more fingers than last time.
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Pf tek is a very inefficient outdated method. Just crumble your cakes mix them with coco coir and throw them in a container, you wont regret it
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: Aureus]
#23572429 - 08/24/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I thought about doing this with half those cakes, but first I want to read another 100 times the details about bulk grow :P
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: darling]
#23572495 - 08/24/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol good idea! I decided to use my PE jars as spawn myself, got my supplies just gotta get set up!
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: darling]
#23572551 - 08/24/16 11:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The only secret about it is pasteurization, if you dont pasteurize properly it will contaminate, if you pasteurize too much it will kill the good bacteria that would protect your substrate, you just need to find a balance.
Edited by Aureus (08/24/16 11:18 AM)
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: Aureus]
#23572563 - 08/24/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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As a noobie I'm gonna choose to go with CVG, from what ive read, and ive done ALOT of reading here...its just so much easier, and yield is consistently larger, it seems as the water retention is better and the substrate itself is far less prone to contams.
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: Peteyboy]
#23572590 - 08/24/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sounds cool
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: Peteyboy]
#23573493 - 08/24/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Peteyboy said: As a noobie I'm gonna choose to go with CVG, from what ive read, and ive done ALOT of reading here...its just so much easier, and yield is consistently larger, it seems as the water retention is better and the substrate itself is far less prone to contams.
I'll do the same if I don't get result a week from here. Now my cakes have become fluffly mushpuffs, and two days ago I realized that my holes were smaller than 1/4 inch. Cakes seems happier since; tentacles stopped reaching outside, and are turning into snowy cotton.
Poor darlings, suffering from the innocence of a good-willed yet oblivious dear ;_;
Could someone tell me if this link is up-to-date with today's knowledge? https://www.shroomery.org/10858/How-to-do-Coir
Also if the tek would be good for a mini-monotub for a quarter of the recipe.. ?
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: Aureus] 1
#23573573 - 08/24/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Aureus said: Pf tek is a very inefficient outdated method. Just crumble your cakes mix them with coco coir and throw them in a container, you wont regret it
You know what's inefficient? Spawning cakes to bulk. Fruiting cakes as cakes is preferable. Half the benefit of them being cakes is having an unbroken colony with no recovery period. Once you break them up and spawn them to bulk that's ruined and they're as likely to contam as anything else.
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: Aureus]
#23573695 - 08/24/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Aureus said: The only secret about it is pasteurization, if you dont pasteurize properly it will contaminate, if you pasteurize too much it will kill the good bacteria that would protect your substrate, you just need to find a balance.
If coir is what you speak of it can be sterilized just fine,really no benefitial bacteria in it and no need for proper pastureization. You can even pressure cook coir, if it contaminates most likely dirty spawn or foreign matter in the coir like random seeds. That's why we can get away with just pouring boiling water over it in a bucket. Manure, straw ect does however require proper pastureization.
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: Inocuole]
#23573721 - 08/24/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
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Aureus said: Pf tek is a very inefficient outdated method. Just crumble your cakes mix them with coco coir and throw them in a container, you wont regret it
You know what's inefficient? Spawning cakes to bulk. Fruiting cakes as cakes is preferable. Half the benefit of them being cakes is having an unbroken colony with no recovery period. Once you break them up and spawn them to bulk that's ruined and they're as more likely to contam as than anything else.
FTFY
Filthy fuckin brf spawn
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: Inocuole]
#23574314 - 08/24/16 09:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
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Aureus said: Pf tek is a very inefficient outdated method. Just crumble your cakes mix them with coco coir and throw them in a container, you wont regret it
You know what's inefficient? Spawning cakes to bulk. Fruiting cakes as cakes is preferable. Half the benefit of them being cakes is having an unbroken colony with no recovery period. Once you break them up and spawn them to bulk that's ruined and they're as likely to contam as anything else.
Shrooms do better on dead plant material, that's their natural habitat
Edited by Aureus (08/24/16 10:13 PM)
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: Aureus]
#23574520 - 08/24/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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.... It's a dung lover. Even if decomposed plants were the natural habitat, that sound an awfully lot like what coco coir is.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: Inocuole]
#23574545 - 08/24/16 11:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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We are improving upon nature. In the wild cubes occupy a niche environment yet put out a pretty shitty return. Show me a single instance of natural cubes growing from poo that look like this
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