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Offlinedarling
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Sad noob with no result
    #23546602 - 08/16/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hello there,

Summary:
10 cakes
SGFC
Followed Jim Read (Roadkill) religiously.
Let consolidate 9 days before birthing.
14 days since birth, dunked for 18 hours
This sad little shroom as the only result:


I consulted the video and/or this forum everyday since a week, and I can't figure what I'm doing wrong. Any help would be appreciated. I want them prosperous and happy.

My FC:


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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: darling]
    #23546642 - 08/16/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hey there darling...
I'm just another noobie but what's your misting and fanning schedule like?

Also what is that blue and gray thing in the end of your tub?


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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: darling]
    #23546647 - 08/16/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not meaning to derail your thread, but that first picture totally freaked me out.
I was like "Holy shit those mushrooms look like fingers" and then I scrolled down and was like :horrified:

But then I realized they were attached to an actual hand and everything got better.


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Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker
BOD's Simple as FUCK Still Air Box
PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek
Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series
How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs)
What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.


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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23546651 - 08/16/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hahaha


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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23546666 - 08/16/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

A closeup of the cakes might help more instead of a thumbnail pic. Also what's that grey box in the sgfc? Looks too big to be a hygrometer.


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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: CosmoKramer]
    #23546675 - 08/16/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What's the thing in the FC that looks like a radio? Upload the pics and copy paste url into thread so we can enlarge.thumbup:


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Offlinedarling
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23546679 - 08/16/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

HAHA :laugh: I put my pinkie close to show how small was that shroomydear. I harvested it cause the veil broke yesterday morning...

I mist about 3 times a day, when it's not sparkling anymore, from above the FC, then I fan for 10-20 seconds. Recently it was more humid outside, so it was more 2 times a day.

I work partly from home, so when I'm here I fan about once every 1-2 hours.

The light you see is from the nearby window, but the FC is far enough to never be in the sunlight. The window is always open, so fresh near-automn air circulates on the floor.

The grey thing at the right is a thermometer/hygrometer without electronics. It faces outside so I can check it without opening the chamber, and so that the sensors face the center.

The top left cake, I dunked it a second time as a test, this time 24 hours, 4 days ago. It doesn't seem to make any difference.

I admit that I'm worried about them :frown:

EDIT : bigger pictures incoming


Edited by darling (08/16/16 11:57 AM)


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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23546683 - 08/16/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Your pics don't expand, making it difficult to tell anything from the thumbnails.

Another noobie also, but the number of holes, fact that the SGFC is elevated, amount of perlite, size of foil under the cakes, all looks good.

Curious to see where this leads...

:strokebeard3:

Don't fan on a schedule. When you mist, use the lid to give the cakes a quick fan with the lid and stop at that. The logic behind is fanning is that by fanning, you're helping start evaporation, which triggers pinning. But since you're using a SGFC that should be allowing proper FAE, fanning more than just after misting is unnecessary.

Ditch the hygrometer, you'll learn how to adjust the conditions based on the mushies performance. This is much better than using an instrument, be it electronic or analog.


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Edited by h0ldthedoor (08/16/16 12:00 PM)


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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23546692 - 08/16/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Kush_Zombie said:
I'm not meaning to derail your thread, but that first picture totally freaked me out.
I was like "Holy shit those mushrooms look like fingers" and then I scrolled down and was like :horrified:

But then I realized they were attached to an actual hand and everything got better.





:rofl:


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Offlinedarling
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: h0ldthedoor]
    #23546693 - 08/16/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)









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Offlinedarling
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: h0ldthedoor]
    #23546703 - 08/16/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

h0ldthedoor said:
Don't fan on a schedule. When you mist, use the lid to give the cakes a quick fan with the lid and stop at that. The logic behind is fanning is that by fanning, you're helping start evaporation, which triggers pinning. But since you're using a SGFC that should be allowing proper FAE, fanning more than just after misting is unnecessary.

Ditch the hygrometer, you'll learn how to adjust the conditions based on the mushies performance. This is much better than using an instrument, be it electronic or analog.




It might be the problem; I calibrated the hygro 2 weeks ago, and now it stands between 90 and 97~ish. But maybe it's defect, and that I leave my babies alone :S And treat them like "independent" teenagers rather than babies.


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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: darling]
    #23546712 - 08/16/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

A couple of those cakes look pink?


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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: h0ldthedoor]
    #23546725 - 08/16/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Holes on bottom of tub as well?

Perlite still moist?

Cakes look pink in a few areas...is that because of the picture or are they really pink? This question is pretty important. Hehe
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I take it these cakes have been inoculated with a spore syringe? Multi-Spore grows (or MS for short) will usually have uneven flushing patterns and sporadic mushroom growth instead of just one large flush from all cakes at once.

14 days is a fair amount of time for them to be in the SGFC - but 14 days and only one mushroom is not cause to worry quite yet.
My advice is to not worry about how long they've been in there quite yet -but to worry about what their conditions are like. Are the cakes properly hydrated? Do you see any blueing on the mycelium at all?

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h0ldthedoor said:
Don't fan on a schedule. When you mist, use the lid to give the cakes a quick fan with the lid and stop at that. The logic behind is fanning is that by fanning, you're helping start evaporation, which triggers pinning. But since you're using a SGFC that should be allowing proper FAE, fanning more than just after misting is unnecessary.




Not only is it unnecessary but it will dry out your cakes something fierce. Don't worry about fresh air, your SGFC is doing that for you.
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Let's wait on a veteran to hop in here, it shouldn't be long now that it's been bumped again. We'll do our best to get you on the right track!


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Offlinedarling
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: morty422]
    #23546775 - 08/16/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The cakes are white (I just checked it to be sure). The photo makes it look pink somehow!

Bottom of the FC is holed as well.

If i dip my finger in the perlite, my finger is moisty but not dripping.

There was a bit a blueing in the first days, then I added holes: you can see on the picture that the pattern of the holes is not square near the top of the walls. I did the same under. I also began the heavy fanning. The blue disappeared. (Thanks to reading this forum :laugh: )

Yes, it came from a single syringe from a Shroomery sponsor. Do you suggest there might be more than one kind of darlings there? :frown: It's supposed to be penis envy.

Thanks so much to everyone for your help! I didn't think I would have answers before tonight ^.^ *hugs*


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Invisiblemorty422
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: darling]
    #23546804 - 08/16/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

At this point, your issue is above my expertise.

Albino Penis Envy, eh? Interesting.

Let's wait on a Trusted Cultivator.

APE (Albino Penis Envy) is a unique choice of mushroom to work with and may not be beginner friendly. It is sort of a novelty mushroom. Good flushes are difficult to achieve.

Your first mushroom you posted a picture of doesn't look like APE though-so that's why I am telling you it is above my expertise now.

Sit tight, help shall arrive soon.


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Offlinedarling
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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: morty422]
    #23546809 - 08/16/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I first wrote APE, but then I checked the syringes and see simple PE. :P For the best I hope!

The above post I corrected a bit too late I think.


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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: darling]
    #23546830 - 08/16/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I have PE cakes going now too, it is rumored that they are tough to fruit on cakes and take longer then usual to pin and fruit...but it's certainly debatable


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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: darling]
    #23546835 - 08/16/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Penis envy type varieties take a very long time to pin and need far more water than most classic cubes. Because of this they tend to do poorly on cakes unless you consolidate for 2-3 weeks since they just dry out while sitting in the chamber. Once pinning they often need more water than the cakes can provide so bottom watering is needed to supply extra once the pinset is in. They also seem to prefer a better casing than simple vermiculite.

Because of these things PE is often recommended to not be done on cakes. If those were mine however I would simply redunk them and that might help. Next time if you do PE on cakes let them consolidate longer and leave them in the jars. Case with coir and top fruit. You will see far better results.


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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23546846 - 08/16/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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Penis envy type varieties take a very long time to pin and need far more water than most classic cubes. Because of this they tend to do poorly on cakes unless you consolidate for 2-3 weeks since they just dry out while sitting in the chamber. Once pinning they often need more water than the cakes can provide so bottom watering is needed to supply extra once the pinset is in. They also seem to prefer a better casing than simple vermiculite.

Because of these things PE is often recommended to not be done on cakes. If those were mine however I would simply redunk them and that might help. Next time if you do PE on cakes let them consolidate longer and leave them in the jars. Case with coir and top fruit. You will see far better results.




Zing!

Pasty for the win.

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Re: Sad noob with no result [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23546870 - 08/16/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Pastywhyte said:
Penis envy type varieties take a very long time to pin and need far more water than most classic cubes. Because of this they tend to do poorly on cakes unless you consolidate for 2-3 weeks since they just dry out while sitting in the chamber. Once pinning they often need more water than the cakes can provide so bottom watering is needed to supply extra once the pinset is in. They also seem to prefer a better casing than simple vermiculite.

Because of these things PE is often recommended to not be done on cakes. If those were mine however I would simply redunk them and that might help. Next time if you do PE on cakes let them consolidate longer and leave them in the jars. Case with coir and top fruit. You will see far better results.




Hmmm I think I'm going to do this if this is your recommendation...I have a bunch of jars I was about to birth to dunk and roll...if doing your recommended method...

Should I still dunk and roll?
Should I still fruit in SGFC?
Sterilize coir?


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