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Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!)
#23546507 - 08/16/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I gave it a shot a few years back for a week or two, It was ok. But apparently it's really hard to be a vegetarian because everything seems to be meat oriented. Also, it's very easy to just eat carbs and not be healthier than a meat eater.
So questions for the vegetarians. It it hard sometimes? Do restaurants have enough vegetarian options? Care to share some recipes?
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Patlal]
#23546548 - 08/16/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't have a problem being vegetarian. There were small cravings the first year but it really didn't get that bad. Now I seriously can't stand meat. I worked on an organic farm one time and they made some burgers from freshly slaughtered cows and I considered trying one so I bent down to smell it and it immediately turned my stomach and made me lose my appetite. It was really just the thought of a burger that made me want it, not the actual burger itself if that makes sense. Once I learned how to make veggie burgers I got rid of that craving. I'd say I eat pretty damn good tbh. I personally see my diet as a diet with much variety and because meat is so expensive, I save a lot of money too whether I eat out or I shop for groceries.
It's rare I eat out. Last time I ate out was at Chile's and I was surprised to see that they did have a black bean burger. It legitly really good imo.
I've made a couple attempts now at going completely vegan, but I don't have enough variety around my little town to commit to that switch so I always end up going back to being vegetarian. I was actually a vegetarian for a couple of weeks before I actually decided to really be a vegetarian.
I genuinely feel so much better since becoming vegetarian, but sadly I always feel really shitty when I switch to a vegan diet. I blame my lack of resources for a proper vegan diet though. I'm not sure if my body would accept a proper vegan diet well or not, but I know limiting myself to one or two of the same meals everyday of the week wasn't working for me. If I was in a bigger town I think I would've done better, there's actually a lot of variety for vegans these days if you're in the right location.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23546624 - 08/16/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bread (vegan or vegetarian):
1/4c almond milk (or regular milk) 5tsp raw sugar 1 tsp salt 5tsp EarthBalance butter (or regular butter) 1 package dry yeast 2 1/2c - 3 1/2c flour
Pour the yeast into 1c of warm water and add 1 tsp of sugar, give it a quick stir and let it sit for 10 minutes. While you're waiting, melt 5 tsp of butter and mix it in with your milk to balance out the temperatures. Add your milk/butter and salt to the yeast/water. Add 2 cups of flour and stir. Keep adding flour and start mixing with your hands until it's still sticking to your hands but barely. Knead for 10 minutes and then set in a warm area with a towel over the bowl to prevent dust from getting in it for 1 hour.
After 1 hour is up, punch it down and form it out to a length AND a half the size of the bread pan you're putting it in, and then stretch out the other sides to a length the size of the bread pan you're putting it in. Roll it up, stick it in the greased bread pan, put a towel over it and let it sit in a warm spot for another hour.
Put in oven at 400F for 30 minutes.
I can use this bread dough for pizza by adding Italian seasonings to it, pretzels, cinnamon rolls, yeast rolls, etc. When I'm in a hurry I just let it rise once.
Drop Biscuits: (I consider eggs to be vegetarian)
2c flour 1tbsp sugar 2tsp baking powder 1/4tsp baking soda 1/2 tsp salt 1/2c butter 1/2c milk 1 large egg 2tsp lemon juice
400F for 18 - 20 minutes
Melt the butter. Mix the egg and milk together before adding to ingredients. Add the lemon juice last so that it activates the baking soda right before it goes in the oven. drop on a baking sheet by the spoonful.
Gravy:
5tbsp unsalted butter 4tbsp flour 2c milk Salt & Pepper
Melt the butter and flour together, add a LITTLE milk at a time keeping on medium-high heat until it has time to thicken as you go. Add salt & pepper to taste.
Lemon Pancakes:
1 1/2c flour 2tsp baking powder 1/4c sugar pinch of salt 1 1/2c milk 3 eggs juice of one large lemon 1tsp vanilla 6tbsp butter, melted & cooled
I like to add honey on mine.
I make a badass pineapple cake with a cream cheese icing that's so good but I'm gonna be selfish with that recipe 
Oven Fries:
2 1/2 lb potatoes 1 Tsp olive oil 1 Tbsp sugar 1 tsp salt 1 pinch or more of ground cayenne pepper
425F for 15 minutes OR 375F for 10 minutes
(Idk why I have both of those times written down but I'm sure one just makes them crispy and the other just makes them more 'fluffy'
Black Bean Burgers:
15oz black beans 1/3c onion 1 Tbsp minced garlic 3 baby carrots grated (optional) 1/4v minced bell pepper (optional) 1 Tbsp arrowroot powder (or an egg, or cornstarch) 1 Tbsp warm water 1tsp chili powder 1tsp ground cumin 1/4 tsp salt 1/4 tsp pepper 2 slices whole wheat bread torn to crumbs 3/4c flour or as needed
Mash beans - add onion, garlic, carrots, & bell peper. Mix Arrowroot powder (or egg) & water together and then add to bean mixture. Mix chili powder, cumin, salt, & black peper together in a small bowl and add to bean mixture. Mix bread crumbs into bean mixture, and then stir flour in 1/4c at a time until sticky batter forms. Spoon burger-sized rounds of batter onto baking sheet about 3/4" in thickness.
Vegan Pancakes (they're pretty good actually):
1 1/4c flour 2 tbsp sugar 2tsp baking powder 1/2 tsp salt 1 1/4c water 1tbsp oil
Vegan Cinnamon Syrup:
1/2c sugar 1/2c brown sugar 2 Tbsp flour 1/2 tsp cinnamon 1tsp vanilla 1c water
There's also these awesome stuffed manicotti noodles that I make.
I mix cream cheese, sour cream, mozzarella cheese, an egg, spinach, and sauteed onion and garlic together and then stuff it into the manicotti noodles and then drench it in a tomato basil sauce and put it in the oven at 350F for like 30 minutes. It's so fucking good.
Sometimes I make Jalepeno poppers, I make pizza with fresh pineapple and black olives a lot with the bread recipe mentioned earlier. That's pretty good imo but I like pineapple on pizza so 
I make oatmeal with peanut butter, strawberry jelly, cinnamon, and sometimes nuts.
I mash chickpeas and mix it with mayo (vegan), chopped pickles, a quick squirt of mustard, and chopped tomatoes and make a mock tuna sandwich. It doesn't taste like tuna but it tastes like a tuna sandwich 
I bake potatoes and eat it with beans, brown rice, some kind of vegetables, and yeast rolls.
I'm a fan of salads, there's a lot of really good salad dressings out there.
Then of course there's the nice variety of fruits and vegetables by themselves. I love fruit, I could live off of it alone and I'd be happy.
I eat pretty damn good in my opinion. I like to cook a lot though so I think that helps my diet.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23546636 - 08/16/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I noticed you mentioned carbs and the list of things I mentioned in the recipes have quite a bit of carbs. That's mainly because those are the only kind of things I need recipes for. Everything else is pretty fairly simple to make aside from burgers and whatnot. I did eat a shitload of carbs when I first started, but I've developed much better eating habits since then. Pasta and baked goods are just soooo good. but that's a problem I had even as a meat eater. I've been focusing on my sugar intake lately (as I was consuming quite a bit of that as well) and since I've been doing that, I've consequently cut down my carb intake significantly.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Patlal] 1
#23546640 - 08/16/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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For every chicken you don't eat, I will eat three
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23546641 - 08/16/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I like being strong and have muscle and it's hard to get enough protein to be strong if you're a vegetarian. I guess if you just supplement a shitload of whey but come on that's gay. Whey gay.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
#23546650 - 08/16/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Lol
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
#23546652 - 08/16/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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A question for the vegetarians and here come the flamers. Didn't see that coming.
Rule 4 should really just be taken out of the pub.
I'm off of this thread
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23546738 - 08/16/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Black Bean Burgers:
15oz black beans 1/3c onion 1 Tbsp minced garlic 3 baby carrots grated (optional) 1/4v minced bell pepper (optional) 1 Tbsp arrowroot powder (or an egg, or cornstarch) 1 Tbsp warm water 1tsp chili powder 1tsp ground cumin 1/4 tsp salt 1/4 tsp pepper 2 slices whole wheat bread torn to crumbs 3/4c flour or as needed
Mash beans - add onion, garlic, carrots, & bell peper. Mix Arrowroot powder (or egg) & water together and then add to bean mixture. Mix chili powder, cumin, salt, & black peper together in a small bowl and add to bean mixture. Mix bread crumbs into bean mixture, and then stir flour in 1/4c at a time until sticky batter forms. Spoon burger-sized rounds of batter onto baking sheet about 3/4" in thickness.
I'm definitely making that
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
#23546777 - 08/16/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Patlal said: I'm definitely making that
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morrowasted said: I like being strong and have muscle and it's hard to get enough protein to be strong if you're a vegetarian. I guess if you just supplement a shitload of whey but come on that's gay. Whey gay.
Someone please get me some protein before I die of a protein deficiency..
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
#23546796 - 08/16/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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For someone who constantly crossposts bullshit from Reddit, I'd think you would have Googled or subscribed to a subreddit about fitness where someone has inevitably shared a link full of info about the various effective alternative protein sources other than stuff like red meat, plus those sources don't have nearly the cholesterol and other associated bad things.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: idiotek]
#23546819 - 08/16/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Im not a vegetarian or vegan, but coiincidentally I have bencooking vegan the last few weeks. Lots of lightly fried rice and peas, maybe with herbs. I eat really strict though.
I was watching vegan gains and he says 'positive nitrogen balance' is more important then total protein to gain mass.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23546845 - 08/16/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The protein myths really make me 
There's a guy named Tim 'Livewire' Shieff who does parkour that's vegan and he's a complete badass.
There's an interview with him where he talks about how everyone's always talking to him about how he needs to make sure he eats plenty of protein. He said he doesn't take any supplements or anything, he just likes to eat a lot of fruits and vegetables. Said he guesses that he's dying from lack of protein
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23546994 - 08/16/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Patlal said: I'm definitely making that
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morrowasted said: I like being strong and have muscle and it's hard to get enough protein to be strong if you're a vegetarian. I guess if you just supplement a shitload of whey but come on that's gay. Whey gay.
Someone please get me some protein before I die of a protein deficiency..

See you're skinny as shit. I'm not into that
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
#23546999 - 08/16/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was skinny when I ate meat? That's just my body type. I didn't realize anyone had asked you what you were into
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23547025 - 08/16/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I meant for myself. Not into being that way for myself. I like having bulk muscle. But I guess you're right yeah of people who eat meat are skinny as fuck. It is hard to argue against the fact that being a vegetarian makes it harder to naturally bulk up though
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
#23547031 - 08/16/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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So what about the guy in the video?
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23547039 - 08/16/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kush_Zombie said: So what about the guy in the video?
i would say how the fuck can your muscles get bigger without protein
it goes against everything I understand about nutrition
some people are genetically highly efficient at converting small amounts of macronutrients into large amounts of whatever. for example some people's bodies are extremely efficient at converting fats and carbs into fat, some peoples' bodies are extremely efficient at converting protein into muscle. some peoples' bodies are extremely inefficient at converting fats and carbs into fat and they get a shitload of immediate energy in the form of a glucose spike when they eat. some peoples' bodies are extremely inefficient at converting proteins into muscle and they have to work out a shitton and eat a fuckload of protein just to gain a little bit of muscle.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23547043 - 08/16/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also, I know plenty of meat eaters that are into building "bulk" muscle and they use supplements, whey, and all that bs. But I guess since they're not vegetarian or vegan then that argument is invalid for me
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23547052 - 08/16/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kush_Zombie said: Also, I know plenty of meat eaters that are into building "bulk" muscle and they use supplements, whey, and all that bs. But I guess since they're not vegetarian or vegan then that argument is invalid for me 
what argument?
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
#23547055 - 08/16/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: I like being strong and have muscle and it's hard to get enough protein to be strong if you're a vegetarian. I guess if you just supplement a shitload of whey but come on that's gay. Whey gay.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
#23547056 - 08/16/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Kush_Zombie said: So what about the guy in the video?
i would say how the fuck can your muscles get bigger without protein
it goes against everything I understand about nutrition
you can get a fuck ton from protein ric veggies. as I said, i mostly live off rice and peas, that type of thing. Not wasting away
there arent any really good vegans in mma though, its all endurance and body building
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Kush_Zombie]
#23547064 - 08/16/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: I like being strong and have muscle and it's hard to get enough protein to be strong if you're a vegetarian. I guess if you just supplement a shitload of whey but come on that's gay. Whey gay.
I'm struggling to put this together. What argument are you talking about? Are you trying to say that as a vegan there is plenty of protein available in the form of whey? I clearly admitted that, but I said it was whey gay. I guess it's not really, to be honest. Whey is a decent source of protein, more power to you if you supplement it, as long as you're getting the nutrients you need that real meat would provide from other food sources.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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Kush_Zombie said: So what about the guy in the video?
i would say how the fuck can your muscles get bigger without protein
it goes against everything I understand about nutrition
you can get a fuck ton from protein ric veggies. as I said, i mostly live off rice and peas, that type of thing. Not wasting away
there arent any really good vegans in mma though, its all endurance and body building
No, you can't. You can get SOME protein. If you want to get a fuck ton of protein from peas, you have to eat a metric shit ton of peas. If you want to get the same amount of protein from meat, you only have to eat about half a pound of it per day.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
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morrowasted said: I like being strong and have muscle and it's hard to get enough protein to be strong if you're a vegetarian. I guess if you just supplement a shitload of whey but come on that's gay. Whey gay.
I'm struggling to put this together. What argument are you talking about? Are you trying to say that as a vegan there is plenty of protein available in the form of whey? I clearly admitted that, but I said it was whey gay. I guess it's not really, to be honest. Whey is a decent source of protein, more power to you if you supplement it, as long as you're getting the nutrients you need that real meat would provide from other food sources.
No, I'm just pointing out how you used a stereotypical myth of vegetarians/vegans needing supplements to build muscle, and the rebuttal you used was something meat eaters do with more regularity than vegetarians/vegans. It really doesn't make sense and I'm struggling to put it together.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
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morrowasted said: I can't find it right now but there was a study on this commune in Oregon where all the children were raised vegan and there brains had pretty severe developmental issues.
I'm done. You can have this point you're trying to make.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Kush_Zombie]
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Meat eaters don't HAVE to do it, though. They choose to do it because they want to get EXTRA big. They COULD eat 5 steaks instead of consuming whey protein, but that would lead to heart disease.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Kush_Zombie] 1
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morrowasted said: I can't find it right now but there was a study on this commune in Oregon where all the children were raised vegan and there brains had pretty severe developmental issues.
I'm done. You can have this point you're trying to make.
My friend is raising her children vegan and they are both severely underweight, cognitively behind peers of their same age, and emotionally troubled and sensitive. I know it's anecdotal but I believe there is something to it. The brain needs certain long-chain fatty acids like omega 3 during early development in order to produce enough neurotransmitters to to be able to form the synaptic connections that are vital to a healthy brain. This is not conjecture.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
#23547103 - 08/16/16 02:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Kush_Zombie]
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Since the conversation has devolved to the point where the only rebuttals you've got are graemlins, I accept your defeat. Good day, sir.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Kush_Zombie]
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
#23547110 - 08/16/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think the primitive cultures argument is some sort of logical falacy. They didnt know anything. Fuck them. The Cree had terribloe health despte having leanty of edible lants that they ignored. Instead they focussed obsessively on animal products.
I do eat alot of peas, and rice, which has protein. been running alot too
I think most of it is not knowing what a balanced diet or meal is. americans are -fucking- stupid and eat-fucking- garbage like its -fucking- ambrosia. alot of vegans avoid fat too, which is -fucking- stupid your friend is probably ignorant
I have a game where I peek in people's carts at the store and judge them with all my ire
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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I think the primitive cultures argument is some sort of logical falacy. They didnt know anything. Fuck them.
It's not about what they "knew", it's about the dietary choices that come naturally to human beings.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
#23547124 - 08/16/16 02:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I understand that. what comes naturally is not always healthy the English and 'Natives' smoked tobacco the taste of charred meat is delicious precicely because of areomatic hydrocarbons, which cause cancer
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23547134 - 08/16/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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riiiight naturally may not always be healthy but neither is choosing any specific diet
each diet is assessed for its health based on its own merits
I was simply referring to the naturalness of being a meat consumer as a human.
It's part of what we're evolved to do.
our bodies expect it.
when we don't eat meat, our bodies are getting the nutrients it would be getting from meat from other sources- in theory. But not all of those nutrients are present in other sources, and none of those sources contains the same nutrient density and diversity of meat
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
#23547159 - 08/16/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The things they always list are things like iron and b12. I think nutrient difficiancy is nt much of a worry in a well planned diet. calceum from lefy vegetables, for example. Most people just dont want to prepair real food because real food isnt hyper-palitable.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23547185 - 08/16/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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DHA/EPA
vegetarians try to get them by supplementing ALA from flaxseed but the biosynthetic conversion rate from ALA to EPA/DHA is less than 1%. you cannot get EPA/DHA from plants.
http://advances.nutrition.org/content/3/1/1.full
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Omega-3 [(n-3)] fatty acids have been linked to healthy aging throughout life. Recently, fish-derived omega-3 fatty acids EPA and DHA have been associated with fetal development, cardiovascular function, and Alzheimer’s disease. However, because our bodies do not efficiently produce some omega-3 fatty acids from marine sources, it is necessary to obtain adequate amounts through fish and fish-oil products. Studies have shown that EPA and DHA are important for proper fetal development, including neuronal, retinal, and immune function. EPA and DHA may affect many aspects of cardiovascular function including inflammation, peripheral artery disease, major coronary events, and anticoagulation. EPA and DHA have been linked to promising results in prevention, weight management, and cognitive function in those with very mild Alzheimer’s disease.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
#23547215 - 08/16/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: DHA/EPA
vegetarians try to get them by supplementing ALA from flaxseed but the biosynthetic conversion rate from ALA to EPA/DHA is less than 1%. you cannot get EPA/DHA from plants.
http://advances.nutrition.org/content/3/1/1.full
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Omega-3 [(n-3)] fatty acids have been linked to healthy aging throughout life. Recently, fish-derived omega-3 fatty acids EPA and DHA have been associated with fetal development, cardiovascular function, and Alzheimer’s disease. However, because our bodies do not efficiently produce some omega-3 fatty acids from marine sources, it is necessary to obtain adequate amounts through fish and fish-oil products. Studies have shown that EPA and DHA are important for proper fetal development, including neuronal, retinal, and immune function. EPA and DHA may affect many aspects of cardiovascular function including inflammation, peripheral artery disease, major coronary events, and anticoagulation. EPA and DHA have been linked to promising results in prevention, weight management, and cognitive function in those with very mild Alzheimer’s disease.
I heard it was more like 20% and 12%, even if you dont absorb it correcly. Since it more imortant to get things over time, would it even be a big deal? I do eat sardiines now and then for this, but there are alot of things in canned fish I heard arent so great
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23547250 - 08/16/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I could never be a vegetarian or vegan, but I admire people who can adhere to such a lifestyle.
I would personally have such a difficult time doing it, because I crave protein more than carbs or sweets or anything else... Whenever I'm hungry, I am usually craving a big chunk of red meat, or fish, or pork, or something. Sometimes when I'm craving very badly, I go for meats and nothing else--no veggies, no carbs, nothing else.
Usually people crave things the body needs though. And I'm both hypoglycemic and hypothyroid, and apparently eating lots of meat, B12, and salt helps with both of these. Once I found out I had these things, it started to make sense why I craved so much meat and salt all the time.
I do have conflicting feelings about pregnant women eating vegan or fruitarian though. Vegetarian I think is okay for them though, I think.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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morrowasted said: DHA/EPA
vegetarians try to get them by supplementing ALA from flaxseed but the biosynthetic conversion rate from ALA to EPA/DHA is less than 1%. you cannot get EPA/DHA from plants.
http://advances.nutrition.org/content/3/1/1.full
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Omega-3 [(n-3)] fatty acids have been linked to healthy aging throughout life. Recently, fish-derived omega-3 fatty acids EPA and DHA have been associated with fetal development, cardiovascular function, and Alzheimer’s disease. However, because our bodies do not efficiently produce some omega-3 fatty acids from marine sources, it is necessary to obtain adequate amounts through fish and fish-oil products. Studies have shown that EPA and DHA are important for proper fetal development, including neuronal, retinal, and immune function. EPA and DHA may affect many aspects of cardiovascular function including inflammation, peripheral artery disease, major coronary events, and anticoagulation. EPA and DHA have been linked to promising results in prevention, weight management, and cognitive function in those with very mild Alzheimer’s disease.
I heard it was more like 20% and 12%, even if you dont absorb it correcly. Since it more imortant to get things over time, would it even be a big deal? I do eat sardiines now and then for this, but there are alot of things in canned fish I heard arent so great
http://alwaysomega3s.com/learn/epa-dha-ala-omega-3s
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ALA (alpha-linolenic acid) is a true “essential” omega-3 because our bodies can’t make it on its own. We need to get ALA from our diet by consuming ALA-rich foods like flax and chia seeds. ALA is a precursor to EPA and DHA, but the conversion rate in our bodies is extremely low – often less than 1 percent of ALA is converted to EPA and DHA.
https://www.omega3innovations.com/blog/epa-dha-ala-how-to-decipher-the-omega-3-alphabet-soup/
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Depending on the genetic make-up of the individual and their diet, only about 0.2 to 7 percent of the ALA gets converted to EPA and DHA. In addition, some people don’t have the right enzymes available to elongate ALA to EPA.
Though there is limited research indicating that those who only source EPA/DHA from ALA have higher conversion ratios than those who source EPA/DHA directly. Nevertheless, even in those studies those individuals showed significantly lower blood plasma levels of EPA and DHA. Furthermore, most vegetarians don't supplement foods that are high in ALA. They could, but they don't.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
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Im trying to.
Its annoying, as I cant even find unflavored fish oil. Need like two tablespoons a day to gain the effects.
my info was from Rhonda Patrick, the 23 and Me lady
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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If you're a vegetarian how do you justify taking fish oil...?
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
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Im not, but I mostly eat vegetarian as I have a hard time justifying eating animals and grass fed is 6 a pound, so I dont get that much
Im not like, super ethical. I thinki meat shoulodnt be subsidized because people like it and it should be a once a week or month, really expensive thing
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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specialpeopleclub said: Im not, but I mostly eat vegetarian as I have a hard time justifying eating animals and grass fed is 6 a pound, so I dont get that much
Im not like, super ethical. I thinki meat shoulodnt be subsidized because people like it and it should be a once a week or month, really expensive thing
In the future the world will be like that. People will start eating insects and cockroaches because the prices of meat and seafood will be too high.
I heard crickets taste good though, they taste like fried shrimp or fried chicken wings.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Crystal G]
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Im not like, super ethical. I thinki meat shoulodnt be subsidized because people like it and it should be a once a week or month, really expensive thing
In the future the world will be like that. People will start eating insects and cockroaches because the prices of meat and seafood will be too high.
I heard crickets taste good though, they taste like fried shrimp or fried chicken wings.
dont eat your conscience
they probably do dont eat roaches if you have a shellfish alergy though
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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Yeah I eat grass fed beef too mostly just because it doesn't make sense to feed cows food that humans could eat.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Crystal G]
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specialpeopleclub said: Im not, but I mostly eat vegetarian as I have a hard time justifying eating animals and grass fed is 6 a pound, so I dont get that much
Im not like, super ethical. I thinki meat shoulodnt be subsidized because people like it and it should be a once a week or month, really expensive thing
In the future the world will be like that. People will start eating insects and cockroaches because the prices of meat and seafood will be too high.
I heard crickets taste good though, they taste like fried shrimp or fried chicken wings.
I was reading that when the population reaches about 10 million, in 2050, current levels of meat consumption (20% of 3000kCal per capita) will be impossible because there will not be enough water to harvest the plants necessary to feed the animals and sustain human activities.
There are a some emerging technologies for "fermenting" (for lack of a better term) meat though, basically just taking some same of animal tissue, adding some sugar or whatever, and letting it grow into meat. won't take a laboratory, anyone could do it.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
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morrowasted said: Yeah I eat grass fed beef too mostly just because it doesn't make sense to feed cows food that humans could eat.
How do you like grass fed compared to corn-fed beef?
I watched a documentary called Steak Revolution, and several American steakhouses who switched to grass-fed beef said they ended up switching back to corn-fed, because their customers didn't like the grass-fed beef. They said American palates prefer corn-fed.
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Im fine with it becoming expensive. Just because people enjoy it doesnt make it a right or necessity. If you need it so much to buiild muscle, pay for it. there are more small fish then ever though, so there is always fish
I like grass fed better, but corn fed is more fatty and people like retarded gross sich fat animals look at Kobe beef. Just the thought makes me sick
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specialpeopleclub said: Im fine with it becoming expensive. Just because people enjoy it doesnt make it a right or necessity. If you need it so much to buiild muscle, pay for it. there are more small fish then ever though, so there is always fish
No, I disagree. Everything else is already retardedly expensive, the last thing that should be getting expensive is food. It's fine if you're upper-middle class and are already getting all the nutrients you need.
If anything, it should be fast food that gets more expensive, not whole foods. We shouldn't be discouraging people from consuming healthy options.
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What's wrong with Kobe beef? The reason Kobe is so fatty is because they are genetically that way. They don't feed it hormones or do anything to make them fatter. I've had Kobe, and it really is superior to American beef in every single way.
There are only 9 places in the USA that serve authentic Kobe beef, every other place that claims to serve Kobe beef is actually selling Japanese wagyu.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Crystal G]
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No, I disagree. Everything else is already retardedly expensive, the last thing that should be getting expensive is food. It's fine if you're upper-middle class and are already getting all the nutrients you need.
If anything, it should be fast food that gets more expensive, not whole foods. We shouldn't be discouraging people from consuming healthy options.
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What's wrong with Kobe beef? The reason Kobe is so fatty is because they are genetically that way. They don't feed it hormones or do anything to make them fatter. I've had Kobe, and it really is superior to American beef in every single way.
There are only 9 places in the USA that serve authentic Kobe beef, every other place that claims to serve Kobe beef is actually selling Japanese wagyu.
Animal products are resurce and labor intensive. the prices are artificially low. Meat shouldnt be something you eat every day. we didnt evolve eating meat as a staple. Most people dont do enough to need all that protein.
The thing that is wrong is, you are eating an unhealthy animal. I am no expert on kobe though. The meat in the US is more fatty then grass fed and has more omega 6 content. Its unethical to feed a ruminent grain. It ruins their firentation stomach and gut bacteria
Its been done for a few decades though, and people Im surrounded by laugh and think that means it has been done forever.
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specialpeopleclub said: Animal products are resurce and labor intensive. the prices are artificially low. Meat shouldnt be something you eat every day. we didnt evolve eating meat as a staple. Most people dont do enough to need all that protein.
The thing that is wrong is, you are eating an unhealthy animal. I am no expert on kobe though. The meat in the US is more fatty then grass fed and has more omega 6 content. Its unethical to feed a ruminent grain. It ruins their firentation stomach and gut bacteria
Its been done for a few decades though, and people Im surrounded by laugh and think that means it has been done forever.
It's true, most of the world doesn't consume meat as a staple. We also shouldn't be consuming nearly as many calories as normal.
But personally, I think meat and seafood is already expensive. For starters, even the cheapest, most hormone-pumped, artificially produced steaks at the shittiest grocery store are still $3-5 a piece. For cuts that aren't even that good. And IMO, that kind of beef doesn't taste good. I never buy beef unless I am at the butcher or at Whole Foods.
Fish? Even more expensive. $4-15 for a filet that's maybe only half a pound. Even the frozen shrimp that comes from Thailand is $10-$15 for 2lbs. These are already expensive and most people can't afford to eat this every day.
If things like chicken and pork weren't subsidized, poor people would never eat meats. Poor people usually aren't eating steak and fish everyday, they only eat that at most once a week or on special occasions. Most of the time when they eat protein, they're eating lean meats, like chicken or pork. Or eggs.
For people such as myself who are hypoglycemic and hypothyroid, we are supposed to eat a low-carb, high-protein diet.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Crystal G]
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morrowasted said: Yeah I eat grass fed beef too mostly just because it doesn't make sense to feed cows food that humans could eat.
How do you like grass fed compared to corn-fed beef?
I watched a documentary called Steak Revolution, and several American steakhouses who switched to grass-fed beef said they ended up switching back to corn-fed, because their customers didn't like the grass-fed beef. They said American palates prefer corn-fed.
Grass fed tastes fine to me. It definitely doesn't have as much fat in it which I guess is why someone people might not like it, but I don't mind that at all
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Crystal G]
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specialpeopleclub said: Animal products are resurce and labor intensive. the prices are artificially low. Meat shouldnt be something you eat every day. we didnt evolve eating meat as a staple. Most people dont do enough to need all that protein.
The thing that is wrong is, you are eating an unhealthy animal. I am no expert on kobe though. The meat in the US is more fatty then grass fed and has more omega 6 content. Its unethical to feed a ruminent grain. It ruins their firentation stomach and gut bacteria
Its been done for a few decades though, and people Im surrounded by laugh and think that means it has been done forever.
It's true, most of the world doesn't consume meat as a staple. We also shouldn't be consuming nearly as many calories as normal.
But personally, I think meat and seafood is already expensive. For starters, even the cheapest, most hormone-pumped, artificially produced steaks at the shittiest grocery store are still $3-5 a piece. For cuts that aren't even that good. And IMO, that kind of beef doesn't taste good. I never buy beef unless I am at the butcher or at Whole Foods.
Fish? Even more expensive. $4-15 for a filet that's maybe only half a pound. Even the frozen shrimp that comes from Thailand is $10-$15 for 2lbs. These are already expensive and most people can't afford to eat this every day.
If things like chicken and pork weren't subsidized, poor people would never eat meats. Poor people usually aren't eating steak and fish everyday, they only eat that at most once a week or on special occasions. Most of the time when they eat protein, they're eating lean meats, like chicken or pork. Or eggs.
For people such as myself who are hypoglycemic and hypothyroid, we are supposed to eat a low-carb, high-protein diet.
You are an exception. Carbs are almost meaningoless if you avoid refined foods for normal people
Your opinion isnt ecnoomics. Prices are supposed to reflect the availability of a resource and the resoucrs and labor going into said resource
subsidies fuck everything because you cant change one price without fucking around everything else
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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i'm poor ($11/hr wage) and the only meat I eat is wild salmon and grass fed beef
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23547540 - 08/16/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: i'm poor ($11/hr wage) and the only meat I eat is wild salmon and grass fed beef 
You are only buying for 1 person, and I assume depending on where you are in Texas, you probably don't pay as much for rent.
There are people living on only $10-$11/hour in California or Hawaii or New York, where they pay $900 a month just to share an apartment with somebody.
I still eat expensive meat and seafood too, but definitely not everyday, more like once a week, and I am only buying for 1, sometimes 2 people.
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specialpeopleclub said: You are an exception. Carbs are almost meaningoless if you avoid refined foods for normal people
Your opinion isnt ecnoomics. Prices are supposed to reflect the availability of a resource and the resoucrs and labor going into said resource
subsidies fuck everything because you cant change one price without fucking around everything else
Apparently you are unaware that carbs are subsidized heavily in America, that is one of the reasons carbs are so cheap. In fact, the reason the USDA food pyramid shows carbs at the bottom as the majority thing you should consume, is largely because of the fact that the USDA subsidizes carbs and has heavy monetary interests in it.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Crystal G]
#23547557 - 08/16/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know about carbs. Carbs are differant from differant places.
White rice, for example, is refined. No fiber. Ill get sick within days if I eat a few meals of this. Diabetes runs in my family If you eat actual rice, then it is not as bad because you are getting fiber, which can take carbs to your lower intestine, where they can be converted into short chain fatty acids to feed the gut lining
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23547593 - 08/16/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: I know about carbs. Carbs are differant from differant places.
White rice, for example, is refined. No fiber. Ill get sick within days if I eat a few meals of this. Diabetes runs in my family If you eat actual rice, then it is not as bad because you are getting fiber, which can take carbs to your lower intestine, where they can be converted into short chain fatty acids to feed the gut lining
If diabetes runs in your family you shouldn't be eating very many carbs at all. In fact, you yourself should be eating more protein and veggies, and less carbs.
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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Crystal G]
#23547611 - 08/16/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ive been eating rice and peas for the last few weeks, and oats. Im coming of the mind that the fiber is far more important then avoiding the carbs
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#23548404 - 08/16/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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carbs good. protein good. fat good. meat good.
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