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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23547283 - 08/16/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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DHA/EPA


vegetarians try to get them by supplementing ALA from flaxseed but the biosynthetic conversion rate from ALA to EPA/DHA is less than 1%. you cannot get EPA/DHA from plants.

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Omega-3 [(n-3)] fatty acids have been linked to healthy aging throughout life. Recently, fish-derived omega-3 fatty acids EPA and DHA have been associated with fetal development, cardiovascular function, and Alzheimer’s disease. However, because our bodies do not efficiently produce some omega-3 fatty acids from marine sources, it is necessary to obtain adequate amounts through fish and fish-oil products. Studies have shown that EPA and DHA are important for proper fetal development, including neuronal, retinal, and immune function. EPA and DHA may affect many aspects of cardiovascular function including inflammation, peripheral artery disease, major coronary events, and anticoagulation. EPA and DHA have been linked to promising results in prevention, weight management, and cognitive function in those with very mild Alzheimer’s disease.






I heard it was more like 20% and 12%, even if you dont absorb it correcly. Since it more imortant to get things over time, would it even be a big deal?
I do eat sardiines now and then for this, but there are alot of things in canned fish I heard arent so great



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ALA (alpha-linolenic acid) is a true “essential” omega-3 because our bodies can’t make it on its own. We need to get ALA from our diet by consuming ALA-rich foods like flax and chia seeds. ALA is a precursor to EPA and DHA, but the conversion rate in our bodies is extremely low – often less than 1 percent of ALA is converted to EPA and DHA.




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Depending on the genetic make-up of the individual and their diet, only about 0.2 to 7 percent of the ALA gets converted to EPA and DHA. In addition, some people don’t have the right enzymes available to elongate ALA to EPA.






Though there is limited research indicating that those who only source EPA/DHA from ALA have higher conversion ratios than those who source EPA/DHA directly. Nevertheless, even in those studies those individuals showed significantly lower blood plasma levels of EPA and DHA. Furthermore, most vegetarians don't supplement foods that are high in ALA. They could, but they don't.


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
    #23547299 - 08/16/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Im trying to.


Its annoying, as I cant even find unflavored fish oil. Need like two tablespoons a day to gain the effects.

my info was from Rhonda Patrick, the 23 and Me lady


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23547318 - 08/16/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If you're a vegetarian how do you justify taking fish oil...?


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
    #23547322 - 08/16/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Im not, but I mostly eat vegetarian as I have a hard time justifying eating animals
and grass fed is 6 a pound, so I dont get that much

Im not like, super ethical. I thinki meat shoulodnt be subsidized because people like it and it should be a once a week or month, really expensive thing


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23547337 - 08/16/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Im not, but I mostly eat vegetarian as I have a hard time justifying eating animals
and grass fed is 6 a pound, so I dont get that much

Im not like, super ethical. I thinki meat shoulodnt be subsidized because people like it and it should be a once a week or month, really expensive thing




In the future the world will be like that. People will start eating insects and cockroaches because the prices of meat and seafood will be too high.

I heard crickets taste good though, they taste like fried shrimp or fried chicken wings.


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Crystal G]
    #23547339 - 08/16/16 04:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Im not, but I mostly eat vegetarian as I have a hard time justifying eating animals
and grass fed is 6 a pound, so I dont get that much

Im not like, super ethical. I thinki meat shoulodnt be subsidized because people like it and it should be a once a week or month, really expensive thing




In the future the world will be like that. People will start eating insects and cockroaches because the prices of meat and seafood will be too high.

I heard crickets taste good though, they taste like fried shrimp or fried chicken wings.



dont eat your conscience

they probably do
dont eat roaches if you have a shellfish alergy though


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23547357 - 08/16/16 04:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I eat grass fed beef too mostly just because it doesn't make sense to feed cows food that humans could eat.


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Crystal G]
    #23547364 - 08/16/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Im not, but I mostly eat vegetarian as I have a hard time justifying eating animals
and grass fed is 6 a pound, so I dont get that much

Im not like, super ethical. I thinki meat shoulodnt be subsidized because people like it and it should be a once a week or month, really expensive thing




In the future the world will be like that. People will start eating insects and cockroaches because the prices of meat and seafood will be too high.

I heard crickets taste good though, they taste like fried shrimp or fried chicken wings.



I was reading that when the population reaches about 10 million, in 2050, current levels of meat consumption (20% of 3000kCal per capita) will be impossible because there will not be enough water to harvest the plants necessary to feed the animals and sustain human activities.

There are a some emerging technologies for "fermenting" (for lack of a better term) meat though, basically just taking some same of animal tissue, adding some sugar or whatever, and letting it grow into meat. won't take a laboratory, anyone could do it.


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
    #23547370 - 08/16/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah I eat grass fed beef too mostly just because it doesn't make sense to feed cows food that humans could eat.




How do you like grass fed compared to corn-fed beef?

I watched a documentary called Steak Revolution, and several American steakhouses who switched to grass-fed beef said they ended up switching back to corn-fed, because their customers didn't like the grass-fed beef. They said American palates prefer corn-fed.


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
    #23547379 - 08/16/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Im fine with it becoming expensive. Just because people enjoy it doesnt make it a right or necessity. If you need it so much to buiild muscle, pay for it.
there are more small fish then ever though, so there is always fish

I like grass fed better, but corn fed is more fatty and people like retarded gross sich fat animals
look at Kobe beef. Just the thought makes me sick


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23547402 - 08/16/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Im fine with it becoming expensive. Just because people enjoy it doesnt make it a right or necessity. If you need it so much to buiild muscle, pay for it.
there are more small fish then ever though, so there is always fish




No, I disagree. Everything else is already retardedly expensive, the last thing that should be getting expensive is food. It's fine if you're upper-middle class and are already getting all the nutrients you need.

If anything, it should be fast food that gets more expensive, not whole foods. We shouldn't be discouraging people from consuming healthy options.

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look at Kobe beef. Just the thought makes me sick




What's wrong with Kobe beef? The reason Kobe is so fatty is because they are genetically that way. They don't feed it hormones or do anything to make them fatter. I've had Kobe, and it really is superior to American beef in every single way.

There are only 9 places in the USA that serve authentic Kobe beef, every other place that claims to serve Kobe beef is actually selling Japanese wagyu.


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Crystal G]
    #23547415 - 08/16/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Im fine with it becoming expensive. Just because people enjoy it doesnt make it a right or necessity. If you need it so much to buiild muscle, pay for it.
there are more small fish then ever though, so there is always fish




No, I disagree. Everything else is already retardedly expensive, the last thing that should be getting expensive is food. It's fine if you're upper-middle class and are already getting all the nutrients you need.

If anything, it should be fast food that gets more expensive, not whole foods. We shouldn't be discouraging people from consuming healthy options.

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I like grass fed better, but corn fed is more fatty and people like retarded gross sich fat animals
look at Kobe beef. Just the thought makes me sick




What's wrong with Kobe beef? The reason Kobe is so fatty is because they are genetically that way. They don't feed it hormones or do anything to make them fatter. I've had Kobe, and it really is superior to American beef in every single way.

There are only 9 places in the USA that serve authentic Kobe beef, every other place that claims to serve Kobe beef is actually selling Japanese wagyu.



Animal products are resurce and labor intensive. the prices are artificially low. Meat shouldnt be something you eat every day. we didnt evolve eating meat as a staple. Most people dont do enough to need all that protein.

The thing that is wrong is, you are eating an unhealthy animal. I am no expert on kobe though. The meat in the US is more fatty then grass fed and has more omega 6 content.
Its unethical to feed a ruminent grain. It ruins their firentation stomach and gut bacteria

Its been done for a few decades though, and people Im surrounded by laugh and think that means it has been done forever.


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23547429 - 08/16/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Animal products are resurce and labor intensive. the prices are artificially low. Meat shouldnt be something you eat every day. we didnt evolve eating meat as a staple. Most people dont do enough to need all that protein.

The thing that is wrong is, you are eating an unhealthy animal. I am no expert on kobe though. The meat in the US is more fatty then grass fed and has more omega 6 content.
Its unethical to feed a ruminent grain. It ruins their firentation stomach and gut bacteria

Its been done for a few decades though, and people Im surrounded by laugh and think that means it has been done forever.




It's true, most of the world doesn't consume meat as a staple. We also shouldn't be consuming nearly as many calories as normal.

But personally, I think meat and seafood is already expensive. For starters, even the cheapest, most hormone-pumped, artificially produced steaks at the shittiest grocery store are still $3-5 a piece. For cuts that aren't even that good. And IMO, that kind of beef doesn't taste good. I never buy beef unless I am at the butcher or at Whole Foods.

Fish? Even more expensive. $4-15 for a filet that's maybe only half a pound. Even the frozen shrimp that comes from Thailand is $10-$15 for 2lbs. These are already expensive and most people can't afford to eat this every day.

If things like chicken and pork weren't subsidized, poor people would never eat meats. Poor people usually aren't eating steak and fish everyday, they only eat that at most once a week or on special occasions. Most of the time when they eat protein, they're eating lean meats, like chicken or pork. Or eggs.

For people such as myself who are hypoglycemic and hypothyroid, we are supposed to eat a low-carb, high-protein diet.


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Crystal G]
    #23547441 - 08/16/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah I eat grass fed beef too mostly just because it doesn't make sense to feed cows food that humans could eat.




How do you like grass fed compared to corn-fed beef?

I watched a documentary called Steak Revolution, and several American steakhouses who switched to grass-fed beef said they ended up switching back to corn-fed, because their customers didn't like the grass-fed beef. They said American palates prefer corn-fed.


:shrug:Grass fed tastes fine to me. It definitely doesn't have as much fat in it which I guess is why someone people might not like it, but I don't mind that at all


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Crystal G]
    #23547454 - 08/16/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Animal products are resurce and labor intensive. the prices are artificially low. Meat shouldnt be something you eat every day. we didnt evolve eating meat as a staple. Most people dont do enough to need all that protein.

The thing that is wrong is, you are eating an unhealthy animal. I am no expert on kobe though. The meat in the US is more fatty then grass fed and has more omega 6 content.
Its unethical to feed a ruminent grain. It ruins their firentation stomach and gut bacteria

Its been done for a few decades though, and people Im surrounded by laugh and think that means it has been done forever.




It's true, most of the world doesn't consume meat as a staple. We also shouldn't be consuming nearly as many calories as normal.

But personally, I think meat and seafood is already expensive. For starters, even the cheapest, most hormone-pumped, artificially produced steaks at the shittiest grocery store are still $3-5 a piece. For cuts that aren't even that good. And IMO, that kind of beef doesn't taste good. I never buy beef unless I am at the butcher or at Whole Foods.

Fish? Even more expensive. $4-15 for a filet that's maybe only half a pound. Even the frozen shrimp that comes from Thailand is $10-$15 for 2lbs. These are already expensive and most people can't afford to eat this every day.

If things like chicken and pork weren't subsidized, poor people would never eat meats. Poor people usually aren't eating steak and fish everyday, they only eat that at most once a week or on special occasions. Most of the time when they eat protein, they're eating lean meats, like chicken or pork. Or eggs.

For people such as myself who are hypoglycemic and hypothyroid, we are supposed to eat a low-carb, high-protein diet.



You are an exception. Carbs are almost meaningoless if you avoid refined foods for normal people

Your opinion isnt ecnoomics. Prices are supposed to reflect the availability of a resource and the resoucrs and labor going into said resource

subsidies fuck everything because you cant change one price without fucking around everything else


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23547464 - 08/16/16 04:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

i'm poor ($11/hr wage) and the only meat I eat is wild salmon and grass fed beef :shrug:


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23547540 - 08/16/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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i'm poor ($11/hr wage) and the only meat I eat is wild salmon and grass fed beef :shrug:




You are only buying for 1 person, and I assume depending on where you are in Texas, you probably don't pay as much for rent.

There are people living on only $10-$11/hour in California or Hawaii or New York, where they pay $900 a month just to share an apartment with somebody.

I still eat expensive meat and seafood too, but definitely not everyday, more like once a week, and I am only buying for 1, sometimes 2 people.



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You are an exception. Carbs are almost meaningoless if you avoid refined foods for normal people

Your opinion isnt ecnoomics. Prices are supposed to reflect the availability of a resource and the resoucrs and labor going into said resource

subsidies fuck everything because you cant change one price without fucking around everything else




Apparently you are unaware that carbs are subsidized heavily in America, that is one of the reasons carbs are so cheap. In fact, the reason the USDA food pyramid shows carbs at the bottom as the majority thing you should consume, is largely because of the fact that the USDA subsidizes carbs and has heavy monetary interests in it.


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Crystal G]
    #23547557 - 08/16/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I know about carbs. Carbs are differant from differant places.

White rice, for example, is refined. No fiber. Ill get sick within days if I eat a few meals of this. Diabetes runs in my family
If you eat actual rice, then it is not as bad because you are getting fiber, which can take carbs to your lower intestine, where they can be converted into short chain fatty acids to feed the gut lining


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    #23547593 - 08/16/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I know about carbs. Carbs are differant from differant places.

White rice, for example, is refined. No fiber. Ill get sick within days if I eat a few meals of this. Diabetes runs in my family
If you eat actual rice, then it is not as bad because you are getting fiber, which can take carbs to your lower intestine, where they can be converted into short chain fatty acids to feed the gut lining




If diabetes runs in your family you shouldn't be eating very many carbs at all. In fact, you yourself should be eating more protein and veggies, and less carbs.


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    #23547611 - 08/16/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ive been eating rice and peas for the last few weeks, and oats. Im coming of the mind that the fiber is far more important then avoiding the carbs


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