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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
    #23547055 - 08/16/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I like being strong and have muscle and it's hard to get enough protein to be strong if you're a vegetarian. I guess if you just supplement a shitload of whey but come on that's gay. Whey gay.




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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
    #23547056 - 08/16/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So what about the guy in the video?




i would say how the fuck can your muscles get bigger without protein


it goes against everything I understand about nutrition



you can get a fuck ton from protein ric veggies. as I said, i mostly live off rice and peas, that type of thing. Not wasting away

there arent any really good vegans in mma though, its all endurance and body building


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23547064 - 08/16/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I like being strong and have muscle and it's hard to get enough protein to be strong if you're a vegetarian. I guess if you just supplement a shitload of whey but come on that's gay. Whey gay.






I'm struggling to put this together. What argument are you talking about? Are you trying to say that as a vegan there is plenty of protein available in the form of whey? I clearly admitted that, but I said it was whey gay. I guess it's not really, to be honest. Whey is a decent source of protein, more power to you if you supplement it, as long as you're getting the nutrients you need that real meat would provide from other food sources.


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23547074 - 08/16/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So what about the guy in the video?




i would say how the fuck can your muscles get bigger without protein


it goes against everything I understand about nutrition



you can get a fuck ton from protein ric veggies. as I said, i mostly live off rice and peas, that type of thing. Not wasting away

there arent any really good vegans in mma though, its all endurance and body building



No, you can't. You can get SOME protein. If you want to get a fuck ton of protein from peas, you have to eat a metric shit ton of peas. If you want to get the same amount of protein from meat, you only have to eat about half a pound of it per day.


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
    #23547085 - 08/16/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I do think raising a child vegan should be considered child abuse.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/04/17/is-veganism-good-for-everyone/a-choice-with-definite-risks

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolutionary-psychiatry/201211/youre-vegetarian-have-you-lost-your-mind

http://www.thelocal.it/20160629/two-year-old-in-serious-condition-after-being-raised-vegan

http://journals.lww.com/pccmjournal/Citation/2006/03000/Health_Risks_for_Children_Raised_on_Vegan_or.20.aspx

I can't find it right now but there was a study on this commune in Oregon where all the children were raised vegan and there brains had pretty severe developmental issues.

There are none- count them- ZERO- primitive cultures that live on a vegan diet. Just ponder that for a moment.


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
    #23547086 - 08/16/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I like being strong and have muscle and it's hard to get enough protein to be strong if you're a vegetarian. I guess if you just supplement a shitload of whey but come on that's gay. Whey gay.






I'm struggling to put this together. What argument are you talking about? Are you trying to say that as a vegan there is plenty of protein available in the form of whey? I clearly admitted that, but I said it was whey gay. I guess it's not really, to be honest. Whey is a decent source of protein, more power to you if you supplement it, as long as you're getting the nutrients you need that real meat would provide from other food sources.




No, I'm just pointing out how you used a stereotypical myth of vegetarians/vegans needing supplements to build muscle, and the rebuttal you used was something meat eaters do with more regularity than vegetarians/vegans. It really doesn't make sense and I'm struggling to put it together.


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
    #23547093 - 08/16/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I can't find it right now but there was a study on this commune in Oregon where all the children were raised vegan and there brains had pretty severe developmental issues.





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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23547094 - 08/16/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Meat eaters don't HAVE to do it, though. They choose to do it because they want to get EXTRA big. They COULD eat 5 steaks instead of consuming whey protein, but that would lead to heart disease.


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Kush_Zombie] * 1
    #23547099 - 08/16/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I can't find it right now but there was a study on this commune in Oregon where all the children were raised vegan and there brains had pretty severe developmental issues.





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I'm done. You can have this point you're trying to make.


My friend is raising her children vegan and they are both severely underweight, cognitively behind peers of their same age, and emotionally troubled and sensitive. I know it's anecdotal but I believe there is something to it. The brain needs certain long-chain fatty acids like omega 3 during early development in order to produce enough neurotransmitters to to be able to form the synaptic connections that are vital to a healthy brain. This is not conjecture.


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
    #23547103 - 08/16/16 02:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23547105 - 08/16/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Since the conversation has devolved to the point where the only rebuttals you've got are graemlins, I accept your defeat. Good day, sir.


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23547107 - 08/16/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
    #23547110 - 08/16/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think the primitive cultures argument is some sort of logical falacy. They didnt know anything. Fuck them.
The Cree had terribloe health despte having leanty of edible lants that they ignored. Instead they focussed obsessively on animal products.

I do eat alot of peas, and rice, which has protein. been running alot too


I think most of it is not knowing what a balanced diet or meal is. americans are -fucking- stupid and eat-fucking- garbage like its -fucking- ambrosia.
alot of vegans avoid fat too, which is -fucking- stupid
your friend is probably ignorant

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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23547119 - 08/16/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I think the primitive cultures argument is some sort of logical falacy. They didnt know anything. Fuck them.




It's not about what they "knew", it's about the dietary choices that come naturally to human beings.


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
    #23547124 - 08/16/16 02:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I understand that. what comes naturally is not always healthy
the English and 'Natives' smoked tobacco
the taste of charred meat is delicious precicely because of areomatic hydrocarbons, which cause cancer


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23547134 - 08/16/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

riiiight naturally may not always be healthy but neither is choosing any specific diet

each diet is assessed for its health based on its own merits

I was simply referring to the naturalness of being a meat consumer as a human.

It's part of what we're evolved to do.

our bodies expect it.

when we don't eat meat, our bodies are getting the nutrients it would be getting from meat from other sources- in theory. But not all of those nutrients are present in other sources, and none of those sources contains the same nutrient density and diversity of meat


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
    #23547159 - 08/16/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The things they always list are things like iron and b12. I think nutrient difficiancy is nt much of a worry in a well planned diet. calceum from lefy vegetables, for example. Most people just dont want to prepair real food  because real food isnt hyper-palitable.


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23547185 - 08/16/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

DHA/EPA


vegetarians try to get them by supplementing ALA from flaxseed but the biosynthetic conversion rate from ALA to EPA/DHA is less than 1%. you cannot get EPA/DHA from plants.

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Omega-3 [(n-3)] fatty acids have been linked to healthy aging throughout life. Recently, fish-derived omega-3 fatty acids EPA and DHA have been associated with fetal development, cardiovascular function, and Alzheimer’s disease. However, because our bodies do not efficiently produce some omega-3 fatty acids from marine sources, it is necessary to obtain adequate amounts through fish and fish-oil products. Studies have shown that EPA and DHA are important for proper fetal development, including neuronal, retinal, and immune function. EPA and DHA may affect many aspects of cardiovascular function including inflammation, peripheral artery disease, major coronary events, and anticoagulation. EPA and DHA have been linked to promising results in prevention, weight management, and cognitive function in those with very mild Alzheimer’s disease.




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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: morrowasted]
    #23547215 - 08/16/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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DHA/EPA


vegetarians try to get them by supplementing ALA from flaxseed but the biosynthetic conversion rate from ALA to EPA/DHA is less than 1%. you cannot get EPA/DHA from plants.

http://advances.nutrition.org/content/3/1/1.full

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Omega-3 [(n-3)] fatty acids have been linked to healthy aging throughout life. Recently, fish-derived omega-3 fatty acids EPA and DHA have been associated with fetal development, cardiovascular function, and Alzheimer’s disease. However, because our bodies do not efficiently produce some omega-3 fatty acids from marine sources, it is necessary to obtain adequate amounts through fish and fish-oil products. Studies have shown that EPA and DHA are important for proper fetal development, including neuronal, retinal, and immune function. EPA and DHA may affect many aspects of cardiovascular function including inflammation, peripheral artery disease, major coronary events, and anticoagulation. EPA and DHA have been linked to promising results in prevention, weight management, and cognitive function in those with very mild Alzheimer’s disease.






I heard it was more like 20% and 12%, even if you dont absorb it correcly. Since it more imortant to get things over time, would it even be a big deal?
I do eat sardiines now and then for this, but there are alot of things in canned fish I heard arent so great


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Re: Being a vegetarian. Or vegan. One of those V words (vaginatarian!) [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23547250 - 08/16/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I could never be a vegetarian or vegan, but I admire people who can adhere to such a lifestyle.

I would personally have such a difficult time doing it, because I crave protein more than carbs or sweets or anything else... Whenever I'm hungry, I am usually craving a big chunk of red meat, or fish, or pork, or something. Sometimes when I'm craving very badly, I go for meats and nothing else--no veggies, no carbs, nothing else.

Usually people crave things the body needs though. And I'm both hypoglycemic and hypothyroid, and apparently eating lots of meat, B12, and salt helps with both of these. Once I found out I had these things, it started to make sense why I craved so much meat and salt all the time.

I do have conflicting feelings about pregnant women eating vegan or fruitarian though. Vegetarian I think is okay for them though, I think.


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