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Is my B+ GrowKit ok?
    #23545999 - 08/16/16 04:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Hi, this is my first post on this forum, I've been reading a lot, finally created an account.

So, I bought a Grow Kit, as far as I can tell it's not 100% mycelium, it seems to have perlite at the bottom and a layer of vermiculite at the top.
It's been 6 days since I started, I'm not using the plastic bag that came with the kit, instead I put the kit in a sterilised plastic box with water at the bottom, the strain is B+, temperature has been 27ºC inside the box, water 25ºC, humidity between 70-90%, constant, and taken care of FAE. Light is 12/12 with a 10W LED, and humidity is kept with an ultrasonic nebulizer (could this be a bad idea?).

So far the only thing that has happened is that it has grown a thin white layer coming through the vermiculite.

Photo:
https://imgur.com/VZKfWab


Is everything okay?
Should I just wait more time, be patient, or can I improve the speed/settings somehow?
Also I've been reading a bit here, I see you guys don't recommend at all using kits, that you suggest getting a spore syringe and make PF-Tek at home, that's better and way cheaper, is this correct?

Thanks


Edited by downrabbithole (08/16/16 10:04 AM)


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: downrabbithole]
    #23546066 - 08/16/16 06:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yea do pf tek you will become self sufficient i dont know what kits cost but i can whip up pf tek for 11 bucks granted you have jars and a syringe. As far as the kit that chambers way off.  Build a sgfc to specs and at least give it a fighting chance.      Sgfc will create far better conditions so do your self a favor and hook that up.


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: theGODSmademedoit]
    #23546116 - 08/16/16 06:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

A tub full of standing water is not a good idea. To make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) put 1/4 inch holes in a grid pattern every 2 inches on all six sides. Elevate so air can come up through the bottom holes and fill with 4 inches of rinsed perlite. You don't need a nebulizer, and fluctuations in humidity is a pinning trigger. Just mist when your sub feels dry to the touch.

After you're done with the kit you can move on to the pf Tek. You can even get spore prints to use if your kit fruits.


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: Bunji Fungi]
    #23546202 - 08/16/16 07:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Bunji Fungi said:
A tub full of standing water is not a good idea. To make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) put 1/4 inch holes in a grid pattern every 2 inches on all six sides. Elevate so air can come up through the bottom holes and fill with 4 inches of rinsed perlite. You don't need a nebulizer, and fluctuations in humidity is a pinning trigger. Just mist when your sub feels dry to the touch.

After you're done with the kit you can move on to the pf Tek. You can even get spore prints to use if your kit fruits.




Okay thanks, both, I didn't know what SGFC was, so basically I just need a plastic box and perlite?
For PF-Tek I've read that I need brown rice flour (I can't find it where I live, alternatives?) and vermiculite? Already got a pressure cooker at home.
Do I have to mist without pointing at the mushrooms? I've read that water touching shrooms is bad.
I also didn't know that humidity fluctuations are bad, and I do have fluctuations, so I need to get rid of the nebulizer and find another way of -maintaining- the right amount of humidity.
>What is pinning exactly?
Spore syringes here are around 12€
The white layer that's growing, is it just mycelium?
Are 6 days way too much time for almost nothing happening? I take a picture every day.
>Is 80% of humidity (stable) going to be ok?
Temperature is going to be 27ºC, can't help too much being summer.

So far I've got:
·Tub full of standing water is a bad idea.
·Next time do PF-Tek.
·Build a SGFC with perlite at the bottom for maintaining humidity, mist if dry, and drill holes in the box at specific distances for air flow.
·Humidity fluctuations are bad because they can trigger 'pinning'. (EDIT)
·I can make my own spore prints if/when the kit fruits.

Also where can I find a pretty good PF-Tek guide? There are sooo many..
I thought maybe this forum would have one pinned topic about it. (?)
Thank you very much for your time, I'm still learning english, excuse me if I make some mistakes.


Edited by downrabbithole (08/16/16 09:46 AM)


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: downrabbithole]
    #23546234 - 08/16/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Read this

You still have a few things wrong there.
Pinning triggers are good things. You want your tray to pin because pins turn into mushrooms


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23546265 - 08/16/16 08:21 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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ComebackKid said:
Read this

You still have a few things wrong there.
Pinning triggers are good things. You want your tray to pin because pins turn into mushrooms




Oh okay, thanks, I misunderstood "You don't need a nebulizer, and fluctuations in humidity is a pinning trigger." I thought it was a bad thing.
So 'pinning' are tiny mushrooms appearing, before growing to actual mushrooms? It's like the first step of the process you can see?


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: downrabbithole]
    #23546298 - 08/16/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

downrabbithole said:
Quote:

Bunji Fungi said:
A tub full of standing water is not a good idea. To make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) put 1/4 inch holes in a grid pattern every 2 inches on all six sides. Elevate so air can come up through the bottom holes and fill with 4 inches of rinsed perlite. You don't need a nebulizer, and fluctuations in humidity is a pinning trigger. Just mist when your sub feels dry to the touch.

After you're done with the kit you can move on to the pf Tek. You can even get spore prints to use if your kit fruits.




Okay thanks, both, I didn't know what SGFC was, so basically I just need a plastic box and perlite?
For PF-Tek I've read that I need brown rice flour (I can't find it where I live, alternatives?) and vermiculite? Already got a pressure cooker at home.
Do I have to mist without pointing at the mushrooms? I've read that water touching shrooms is bad.
I also didn't know that humidity fluctuations are bad, and I do have fluctuations, so I need to get rid of the nebulizer and find another way of -maintaining- the right amount of humidity.
>What is pinning exactly?
Spore syringes here are around 12€
The white layer that's growing, is it just mycelium?
Are 6 days way too much time for almost nothing happening? I take a picture every day.
>Is 80% of humidity (stable) going to be ok?
Temperature is going to be 27ºC, can't help too much being summer.

So far I've got:
·Tub full of standing water is a bad idea.
·Next time do PF-Tek.
·Build a SGFC with perlite at the bottom for maintaining humidity, mist if dry, and drill holes in the box at specific distances for air flow.
·Humidity fluctuations are bad because they can trigger 'pinning'.
·I can make my own spore prints if/when the kit fruits.

Also where can I find a pretty good PF-Tek guide? There are sooo many..
I thought maybe this forum would have one pinned topic about it. (?)
Thank you very much for your time, I'm still learning english, excuse me if I make some mistakes.




Can you buy brown rice? Do you have a coffee or blender? If not, can you borrow or buy one?

If yes, you can make your own BRF. Throw some brown rice in a coffee grinder or blender and grind/blend until it's nice and powdery.

Vermiculite can be found at home improvement stores in the garden section, farm supply stores with gardening supplies, or nurseries (or online even).

Already having a PC is a plus.

Here's the Let's Grow Mushrooms pf tek video series



Other users will probably offer improvements to what you see in the videos, that's fine. Those videos were made a few years ago.

Your english is fine, better than some native-english speakers here in the forums. :super:

Yes, you've got the gist of pinning. It's the first step after the mycelium colonizes, that you can see. Just wait until you start checking them and they're significantly larger each time...

:justcantwait:

It'll look something like this

:growshrooms:


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: h0ldthedoor]
    #23546454 - 08/16/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

h0ldthedoor said:
Quote:

downrabbithole said:
Quote:

Bunji Fungi said:
A tub full of standing water is not a good idea. To make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) put 1/4 inch holes in a grid pattern every 2 inches on all six sides. Elevate so air can come up through the bottom holes and fill with 4 inches of rinsed perlite. You don't need a nebulizer, and fluctuations in humidity is a pinning trigger. Just mist when your sub feels dry to the touch.

After you're done with the kit you can move on to the pf Tek. You can even get spore prints to use if your kit fruits.




Okay thanks, both, I didn't know what SGFC was, so basically I just need a plastic box and perlite?
For PF-Tek I've read that I need brown rice flour (I can't find it where I live, alternatives?) and vermiculite? Already got a pressure cooker at home.
Do I have to mist without pointing at the mushrooms? I've read that water touching shrooms is bad.
I also didn't know that humidity fluctuations are bad, and I do have fluctuations, so I need to get rid of the nebulizer and find another way of -maintaining- the right amount of humidity.
>What is pinning exactly?
Spore syringes here are around 12€
The white layer that's growing, is it just mycelium?
Are 6 days way too much time for almost nothing happening? I take a picture every day.
>Is 80% of humidity (stable) going to be ok?
Temperature is going to be 27ºC, can't help too much being summer.

So far I've got:
·Tub full of standing water is a bad idea.
·Next time do PF-Tek.
·Build a SGFC with perlite at the bottom for maintaining humidity, mist if dry, and drill holes in the box at specific distances for air flow.
·Humidity fluctuations are bad because they can trigger 'pinning'.
·I can make my own spore prints if/when the kit fruits.

Also where can I find a pretty good PF-Tek guide? There are sooo many..
I thought maybe this forum would have one pinned topic about it. (?)
Thank you very much for your time, I'm still learning english, excuse me if I make some mistakes.




Can you buy brown rice? Do you have a coffee or blender? If not, can you borrow or buy one?

If yes, you can make your own BRF. Throw some brown rice in a coffee grinder or blender and grind/blend until it's nice and powdery.

Vermiculite can be found at home improvement stores in the garden section, farm supply stores with gardening supplies, or nurseries (or online even).

Already having a PC is a plus.

Here's the Let's Grow Mushrooms pf tek video series



Other users will probably offer improvements to what you see in the videos, that's fine. Those videos were made a few years ago.

Your english is fine, better than some native-english speakers here in the forums. :super:

Yes, you've got the gist of pinning. It's the first step after the mycelium colonizes, that you can see. Just wait until you start checking them and they're significantly larger each time...

:justcantwait:

It'll look something like this

:growshrooms:




Yes, I think I can buy brown rice, not sure where exactly they'll have it but that mustn't be very hard to find, I just can't find it in the flour format. I don't have any coffee grinder/blender nor where to find one, I'll ask some friends if they have one. In the meantime I have one of these, it should do the job with some patience:



I know were to find vermiculite and perlite, so that's no problem. (last one for the SGFC)
I suppose PC is Plastic Container.
Thank you for the video series, those guys make it feel easy to do.

I'm posting two more photos, one of the current setup, and another one from an hour ago, some white spots (should be mycelium) are turning black in the inside, yesterday they were all white.

https://i.imgur.com/pdpAyJD.jpg

I guess this is just right before the 'pinning' starts happening, am I right?

https://i.imgur.com/B9L70FY.jpg


Edited by downrabbithole (08/16/16 10:03 AM)


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: downrabbithole]
    #23546464 - 08/16/16 10:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yea just turn that contraption into a sgfc. Check out specialty store for brown rice flour.


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: theGODSmademedoit]
    #23546521 - 08/16/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think youre better off locating a spore syringe and starting PF TEK from scratch at this point.
Im almost positive that you have mold growing in that tub and you want to toss it before it gets worse.
Wait for a second opinion if you must but Im sorry its not looking good. :sad:


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23546540 - 08/16/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

ComebackKid said:
I think youre better off locating a spore syringe and starting PF TEK from scratch at this point.
Im almost positive that you have mold growing in that tub and you want to toss it before it gets worse.
Wait for a second opinion if you must but Im sorry its not looking good. :sad:




Too bad, I'll wait until something grows and keep this thread updated so everyone can see if it's mold or not, just for the record.

Even though I still feel positive, I kept everything really clean, and the water is boiled, the room was cleaned with ozone before starting, but it could still be mold. I think it's just mycelium because it's white and when you look closely it's smooth.

But hey, we'll see what happens. In the meantime I'm learning how to do PF-Tek with all the info I have now.


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: downrabbithole]
    #23546572 - 08/16/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

downrabbithole said:
Yes, I think I can buy brown rice, not sure where exactly they'll have it but that mustn't be very hard to find, I just can't find it in the flour format. I don't have any coffee grinder/blender nor where to find one, I'll ask some friends if they have one. In the meantime I have one of these, it should do the job with some patience:



I know were to find vermiculite and perlite, so that's no problem. (last one for the SGFC)
I suppose PC is Plastic Container.
Thank you for the video series, those guys make it feel easy to do.

I'm posting two more photos, one of the current setup, and another one from an hour ago, some white spots (should be mycelium) are turning black in the inside, yesterday they were all white.

I guess this is just right before the 'pinning' starts happening, am I right?





Mortar and pestle will take longer, but will get the job done if you're persistent.

PC is pressure cooker, that will come in handy. Pressure cookers are used often in cultivation.


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: downrabbithole]
    #23546611 - 08/16/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

downrabbithole said:
Quote:

ComebackKid said:
I think youre better off locating a spore syringe and starting PF TEK from scratch at this point.
Im almost positive that you have mold growing in that tub and you want to toss it before it gets worse.
Wait for a second opinion if you must but Im sorry its not looking good. :sad:




Too bad, I'll wait until something grows and keep this thread updated so everyone can see if it's mold or not, just for the record.

Even though I still feel positive, I kept everything really clean, and the water is boiled, the room was cleaned with ozone before starting, but it could still be mold. I think it's just mycelium because it's white and when you look closely it's smooth.

But hey, we'll see what happens. In the meantime I'm learning how to do PF-Tek with all the info I have now.




"Clean" doesn't cut it. By working in open air, anything and everything floating in the room becomes another possible threat to your grow. You don't want this. You want to work in an area with no drafts, gusts, breezes or currents. It's not so important that the area be sterile, so much as the tools you're working with.

You need to be doing work in at least a Still Air Box. Not to be confused with a glove box, which you don't want. The point of a Still Air Box is to keep the air still, if you go taping gloves to the only openings on the box, it's going to inevitably create a billow effect every time you insert and remove your hands from the gloves (with the air entering and exiting through the only other openings, the cracks between the lid and container itself). Again, the point of a Still Air Box is to keep the air still.

Again what's important is not to have a totally sterile working environment, but rather an environment where contaminates won't land on what you're working with. Before beginning work in a Still Air Box, give it a quick misting with plain tap water and then wipe the entire inside of the Box so that it's still moist. This moisture on the interior of the Still Air Box should catch any contaminates that may be moving around. As attractive as a Glove Box may look with it's fancy built-in gloves, it's counterproductive and not what you need.

Basically a Still Air Box (SAB) is just a large tub with two large holes cut into one side for your arms to go through. Those large clear plastic storage tubs are perfect for this, though other things can be repurposed into a SAB. For example, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23530167#23530167 is a fine example of repurposing existing materials into a nice SAB.


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: h0ldthedoor]
    #23546635 - 08/16/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

h0ldthedoor said:
Quote:

downrabbithole said:
Quote:

ComebackKid said:
I think youre better off locating a spore syringe and starting PF TEK from scratch at this point.
Im almost positive that you have mold growing in that tub and you want to toss it before it gets worse.
Wait for a second opinion if you must but Im sorry its not looking good. :sad:




Too bad, I'll wait until something grows and keep this thread updated so everyone can see if it's mold or not, just for the record.

Even though I still feel positive, I kept everything really clean, and the water is boiled, the room was cleaned with ozone before starting, but it could still be mold. I think it's just mycelium because it's white and when you look closely it's smooth.

But hey, we'll see what happens. In the meantime I'm learning how to do PF-Tek with all the info I have now.




"Clean" doesn't cut it. By working in open air, anything and everything floating in the room becomes another possible threat to your grow. You don't want this. You want to work in an area with no drafts, gusts, breezes or currents. It's not so important that the area be sterile, so much as the tools you're working with.

You need to be doing work in at least a Still Air Box. Not to be confused with a glove box, which you don't want. The point of a Still Air Box is to keep the air still, if you go taping gloves to the only openings on the box, it's going to inevitably create a billow effect every time you insert and remove your hands from the gloves (with the air entering and exiting through the only other openings, the cracks between the lid and container itself). Again, the point of a Still Air Box is to keep the air still.

Again what's important is not to have a totally sterile working environment, but rather an environment where contaminates won't land on what you're working with. Before beginning work in a Still Air Box, give it a quick misting with plain tap water and then wipe the entire inside of the Box so that it's still moist. This moisture on the interior of the Still Air Box should catch any contaminates that may be moving around. As attractive as a Glove Box may look with it's fancy built-in gloves, it's counterproductive and not what you need.

Basically a Still Air Box (SAB) is just a large tub with two large holes cut into one side for your arms to go through. Those large clear plastic storage tubs are perfect for this, though other things can be repurposed into a SAB. For example, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23530167#23530167 is a fine example of repurposing existing materials into a nice SAB.




Phew, it just gets more complicated. Thank you very much for this information, I have a lot to learn.
I've drilled some holes (7mm, 5cm spacing) in the current setup to have some kind of natural air flow, it's placed in a unused room of the house so it won't ever have any abrupt air flow. I was somehow conscious about contaminants in the air, but yep, I need to be extra careful, pretty delicate stuff these mushrooms.
I went to a shop nearby and they'll have perlite and vermiculite on Thursday, that's in 2 days, then I can build a real SGFC.

How should I sterilize the perlite? (Or it's not needed?)
How can I know when it's moist? Is it moistened with a spray?
Should the water in the spray be boiled?

So far I have this guide for SGFC.


Edited by downrabbithole (08/16/16 11:46 AM)


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: downrabbithole]
    #23546774 - 08/16/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Follow that link to a T and you'll be on the right track.
Looks like that grow is contaminated.

If I were you I would bite the bullet-ditch that grow - and then start again fresh with the PF tek.

I know it sucks starting over, but there are too many things against you now for this grow to be as productive as you want it to be.


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: morty422]
    #23547447 - 08/16/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yea man you should hedge your bets and get started on some pf tek style jars ASAP , i mean if you really want to see some mushrooms sometime soon.


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: theGODSmademedoit]
    #23548838 - 08/17/16 02:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The GrowKit is definitely contaminated, green-ish mold growing on one side.
Can't anything be saved somehow?

So you really recommend me starting over with PF-Tek? First time?
It seems a bit tedious, slow, and expensive to set-up.

I have to get Perlite, Vermiculite, Brown Rice, Coffee blender, Jars, Box for the SGFC, Drill the holes, Disinfectant, Light 6500K, The syringe with spores, Micropore tape, another box for the Still Air Box, Latex gloves.

Am I missing something?


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: downrabbithole]
    #23549094 - 08/17/16 06:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You need:
1/2 pint canning jars
Aluminium foil
Vermiculite
Brown rice flour
Spore syringe

And if you have a pressure cooker thats a bonus.
It really isnt that tedious, or expensive  $40 if you do everything correct you can have mushrooms in about a month.

How much did that grow kit run you? 150 bucks?

You wanna get that moldy tray in the garbage as quick as possible. All its doing is contaminating your house with mold spores. There is no saving it.


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23549096 - 08/17/16 06:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Buy some jars and a syringe thats the biggest expense. Its going to be more liie two months so get going. Basicaly if you can make mac n cheese you can so pf tek.


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23549129 - 08/17/16 06:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You need:
1/2 pint canning jars
Aluminium foil
Vermiculite
Brown rice flour
Spore syringe

And if you have a pressure cooker thats a bonus.
It really isnt that tedious, or expensive  $40 if you do everything correct you can have mushrooms in about a month.

How much did that grow kit run you? 150 bucks?

You wanna get that moldy tray in the garbage as quick as possible. All its doing is contaminating your house with mold spores. There is no saving it.




Thanks, yes, I do have a pressure cooker.
I'll try to find some proper jars, do they need to have something special or just simple jars with the right size?

The kit cost me 30 euro through Internet, but in a trusted shop I know they have 100% mycelium kits for 35e, spore syringes for 12,5e
150 sound like fraud to me omg, do people really pay that much?


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: downrabbithole]
    #23549137 - 08/17/16 06:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Who knows we dont buy kits we diy.    Your going to want wide mouth jars.    It makes them slide out upon birthing. Im sure you can get the supplys for under fifty a pack of brf jars 12 has 2 plus oz dry potential. And the next time you run cakes it will be even cheaper, like 10 bucks for two oz.                      Anytime anywhere for the rest of your life.......priceless


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: downrabbithole]
    #23549261 - 08/17/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Thanks, yes, I do have a pressure cooker.
I'll try to find some proper jars, do they need to have something special or just simple jars with the right size?

The kit cost me 30 euro through Internet, but in a trusted shop I know they have 100% mycelium kits for 35e, spore syringes for 12,5e
150 sound like fraud to me omg, do people really pay that much?




Grow Kits are built by greedy companies with far outdated principles of mycology. They will cause you to fail 99% of the time. They are not foolproof, they will prove you to be a fool.

Mycology takes time and patience to get right- even people that have been growing certain varieties for years upon years make mistakes that could cause an entire grow to be thrown out.

It is best that you start with the PF Tek, yes-it's going to be more expensive than your grow kit-but we can basically guarantee you success with the PF Tek (unless you are one of those types who are going to not follow directions and screw up your grow because your ego won't allow you to listen to others...unfortunately this happens quite a bit here...).
If you really want to start getting into the hobby - the PF Tek can lead you into isolating genetics with agar, spawning to bulk, etc...

Furthermore, if you don't want to get into mycology and just want a decent flush so you can have fun with your friends, the PF Tek will get you there as well.

The grow kit needs to be thrown away immediately, it cannot be saved.
Burn it with fire...


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: morty422]
    #23549533 - 08/17/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah grow kits online are like 150. Have saved a few friends from wasting their hard earned money so far

Basically you want wide mouth jars. Have you read pf tek yet?
The jars mouth needs to be as wide as the jar itself. That way you can plop out the contents still intact.

Stop following the instructions when it gets to the part on constructing your terrarium. You already know the SGFC. Thats the best way to fruit cakes


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23549620 - 08/17/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah grow kits online are like 150. Have saved a few friends from wasting their hard earned money so far

Basically you want wide mouth jars. Have you read pf tek yet?
The jars mouth needs to be as wide as the jar itself. That way you can plop out the contents still intact.

Stop following the instructions when it gets to the part on constructing your terrarium. You already know the SGFC. Thats the best way to fruit cakes




I've been reading a lot these days about PF-Tek and SGFC, hopefully I'll have everything ready for next week, just need to find the jars, the only ones I can find are narrow.

Are these ones from amazon okay?
230mL, that's almost 1/2 pint I think.


Edited by downrabbithole (08/17/16 11:26 AM)


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: downrabbithole]
    #23549628 - 08/17/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They look like half-pint widemouth jars :thumbup: , any chance of linking to the Amazon product page to eliminate any question?


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: h0ldthedoor]
    #23549632 - 08/17/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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They look like half-pint widemouth jars :thumbup: , any chance of linking to the Amazon product page to eliminate any question?




This one
https://www.amazon.es/Cap-Cro-mermelada-revisado-antideslizante/dp/B00LTXN2IY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1471454801&sr=8-3&keywords=tarro+de+cristal+cap-cro
But it seems not available, or they're charging very high shipping costs.


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    #23549694 - 08/17/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Those look like they'd work. But if they're unavailable, they definitely won't work :tongue:

After checking on amazon.es, these jars aren't exactly what the tek calls for, they seem to be a little bit taller and more narrow overall, but they should work
https://www.amazon.es/Palla-trapuntato-Crystal-Jelly-Jar-8/dp/B00B80TJUI/

It is possible the needle of the syringe will not penetrate as deeply as it would in a traditional widemouth half-pint canning jar; not sure what effect, if any, this would have.

What's important is that they are half-pint, the walls are smooth and should present no problem when birthing cakes.



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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: h0ldthedoor]
    #23549748 - 08/17/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Those look like they'd work. But if they're unavailable, they definitely won't work :tongue:

After checking on amazon.es, these jars aren't exactly what the tek calls for, they seem to be a little bit taller and more narrow overall, but they should work
https://www.amazon.es/Palla-trapuntato-Crystal-Jelly-Jar-8/dp/B00B80TJUI/

It is possible the needle of the syringe will not penetrate as deeply as it would in a traditional widemouth half-pint canning jar; not sure what effect, if any, this would have.

What's important is that they are half-pint, the walls are smooth and should present no problem when birthing cakes.






Thank you. I'm still searching in shops around if they have, so far I've found these but I'm not sure about the size nor the lid.


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: downrabbithole]
    #23549775 - 08/17/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They look like they hold less than a half pint and those lids would be problematic, since they can't be punctured.


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    #23549856 - 08/17/16 12:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Walmart has them in canning section most stores have them available for peoples canning needs so there easy to come by


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    #23549873 - 08/17/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Walmart has them in canning section most stores have them available for peoples canning needs so there easy to come by




Unfortunately I live in Spain, no Walmart here.


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    #23549900 - 08/17/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

They dont can veggies and fruit in spain?


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    #23549946 - 08/17/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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They dont can veggies and fruit in spain?




Canned fruit? I can only think of jam.
Veggies of course but I swear, all the jars are with the narrow mouth, I've been searching all day everywhere, I couldn't find anything, my feet hurt.
Not even in the chinese bazars:


Tomorrow I'm checking this grocery store, on the webpage they seem to have what I need
http://www.hipercor.es/producto/tarro-con-tapa-fackelmann/12393263001/5914274502


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    #23549969 - 08/17/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What about the glad pp5 plastic with the twist off tops. You can do brf cakes in those.                      Man i figured they had mason jars internationally weird im glad i live stateside. We got all the shit you need at dollar stores.


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    #23550000 - 08/17/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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What about the glad pp5 plastic with the twist off tops. You can do brf cakes in those.                      Man i figured they had mason jars internationally weird im glad i live stateside. We got all the shit you need at dollar stores.




:cantarguewiththat:

Look for something like this https://www.amazon.com/Glad-Storage-Containers-LockWare-Extra/dp/B008VSX3O8 9.5oz is just a little bit larger than what you need, but you could take advantage of this extra space for a slightly thicker dry verm layer :super:

Not exactly this, because the price is criminal, but this is what GODS is referring to. If you're buying them from a brick and mortar store, make sure the plastic tubs say "PP5" on them before you leave. The last thing you want is a mess of melted plastic, BRF and verm stewing in your stock pot or pressure cooker...


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: h0ldthedoor]
    #23550331 - 08/17/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Those look like they'd work. But if they're unavailable, they definitely won't work :tongue:

After checking on amazon.es, these jars aren't exactly what the tek calls for, they seem to be a little bit taller and more narrow overall, but they should work
https://www.amazon.es/Palla-trapuntato-Crystal-Jelly-Jar-8/dp/B00B80TJUI/

It is possible the needle of the syringe will not penetrate as deeply as it would in a traditional widemouth half-pint canning jar; not sure what effect, if any, this would have.

What's important is that they are half-pint, the walls are smooth and should present no problem when birthing cakes.







Do not go with these. They have a reputation of stalling. They CAN work but I have had bad experience with them and so have many others.
I would go with 1/4 pint jars before buying tall 1/2 pints.


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    #23550350 - 08/17/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Nothing wrong with these

Search 230ml jars


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    #23550356 - 08/17/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

When following the tek to the T the 1/2 pint are whats called for not best to start deviating from teks on first go around. But yea those little jars colonize fine but the half pints colonize just as well for larger flushes


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    #23550378 - 08/17/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Getting the tall 1/2 pints is deviating from the tek and are known to cause issues.

Widemouth and no more than 1/2 pint is the key to success when finding a suitable jar for PF.

1/4 pint jars deviates from the tek, yes, but higher success rate than tall 1/2 pints.
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    #23550462 - 08/17/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

12 half pint jars is twice the yield of 12 1/4 pint jars. You would have to pay twice the jar money. Do you only do 1/4 pint cakes? Ive down 1/4 pints as well and i like there colonization times. Ive also done the larger than half pint with pretty good success. But wouldnt recommend it to any1.  Nor do i recommend deviating from tek when noobs got a kit and consider pf tek.  I mean its a recipe its been around since mid 90s millions have duplicated p fanitcus success. No need to experiment on that , experience will lead you down the road as it comes.


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Re: Is my B+ GrowKit ok? [Re: theGODSmademedoit]
    #23550602 - 08/17/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

My first attempt I used tall 1/2 pints which stalled before colonizing the bottom and had 0% success rate
My second attempt I used 1/4 pints with 100% success rate

Now I use widemouth 1/2 pints, they take a couple weeks longer and produce bigger fruits and I like em. But I would still reccomend 1/4 pints before buying tall 1/2 pint jars based on my experience.

I still use my 1/4 but I usually just crumble them and spawn to a tray. Cant beat that colonization time either!


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    #23550630 - 08/17/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

  yeah them 1/4 colonize fast im using mine for agar plates now tho.  I even used them bigger ones in the picture for a while almost getting half oz dry from just one cake three flushes. Keep up the nice work


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