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Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic
    #23544531 - 08/15/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If you're fat, or crack head skinny, it's not your fault, it's your genetics making you fat or skinny. Genetics also greatly affects your eating habits.

I'm a fairly skinny man, 6' and 145 lbs and my weight is purley genetic. I could eat whole pizzas and mcDonalds 24/7 for months and I'd look unchanged. I can put on miniscule ammounts of fat like this, but it burns off within days.

The fat people in my life like to tell me that I'm "crack head skinny". But when they try to adjust their weight, it's just as difficult for them as it is for me. That's cause they're genetically fat. Not that they can't loose the weight without starving, it's just really really difficult, just as it is for me to gain and keep fat.

There are exceptions with some people who can easily go from skinny to fat and back to skinny, but that is genetic aswell.

Perfect example of weight genetics I observed in a family Im friends with.:
-Mother is obese, father is skinny :lol: They had a son and daughter. Son is obese, daughter is skinny. Both grew up on the same food and same household and everything. Their difference is genetic.

It's all genetic, no matter what.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: trees] * 1
    #23544545 - 08/15/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: starfire_xes] * 1
    #23544558 - 08/15/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Starfire's stuck in a loop, someone call 911


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: psi]
    #23544562 - 08/15/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)
















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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: starfire_xes] * 2
    #23544606 - 08/15/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So hooning cheesecake down your head all day is genetic..?

How old are you OP?? A lot of people feel the same until they reach their 30's+ then all of a sudden they do start getting fat, there is a lot to be said for a youthful metabolism, but for most people that doesn't last long past 3 decades, I speak from experience as I thought I would never gain weight, around the age of 32 I noticed a MASSIVE change in the equation of food in > weight gained, came as a nasty shock, although not a bad thing as I have actually started paying a lot more attention to the food I eat, not that my diet was ever that bad, but it wasn't fantastic by any means.

I have never been fat, but I now sit about 20-30lbs bigger than I ever did when I was trying to put on weight in my teens/early 20's. Also I think once you gain a bit of weight it is far easier to continue putting it on, appetite increases, become more sedentary etc etc, snowball effect.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: egodeathflux]
    #23544610 - 08/15/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I am tall too btw, about 6' 4", think it is harder for us tall folk to put on weight in terms of visible size too, for obvious reasons, got more frame to cover.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: egodeathflux]
    #23544614 - 08/15/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

ectomorphic
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I'm most certainly Ectomorphic. I can eat 3000 + calories daily and not put on any fat


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: egodeathflux] * 1
    #23544622 - 08/15/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I knew a fat guy who lost a shitload of weight with meth.

Genetics :ancientaliens:


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23544656 - 08/15/16 05:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

His appetite for meth is genetic. I'd be a meth head and a heroin addict at the same time, if it werent for my lack of appetite for drugs


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: trees] * 1
    #23544680 - 08/15/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:ancientaliens:


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What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
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Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: trees] * 1
    #23544719 - 08/15/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

trees said:
If you're fat, or crack head skinny, it's not your fault, it's your genetics making you fat or skinny. Genetics also greatly affects your eating habits.

I'm a fairly skinny man, 6' and 145 lbs and my weight is purley genetic. I could eat whole pizzas and mcDonalds 24/7 for months and I'd look unchanged. I can put on miniscule ammounts of fat like this, but it burns off within days.

The fat people in my life like to tell me that I'm "crack head skinny". But when they try to adjust their weight, it's just as difficult for them as it is for me. That's cause they're genetically fat. Not that they can't loose the weight without starving, it's just really really difficult, just as it is for me to gain and keep fat.

There are exceptions with some people who can easily go from skinny to fat and back to skinny, but that is genetic aswell.

Perfect example of weight genetics I observed in a family Im friends with.:
-Mother is obese, father is skinny :lol: They had a son and daughter. Son is obese, daughter is skinny. Both grew up on the same food and same household and everything. Their difference is genetic.

It's all genetic, no matter what.





I agree, but only to a certain point. The fact that people have been getting more and more obese in the past 50 years says you can change or override your genetics.

Age has a lot to do with how much weight people gain though. If you are young, usually people don't start gaining weight until age 25-30.

Then there are other factors, such as pregnancy... it's not uncommon to gain 50lbs or more at this stage.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Crystal G]
    #23544731 - 08/15/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Im not sure if i love drugs
or if i love the high

if im losing my shit
or
if its the drugs


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Aedium] * 2
    #23544738 - 08/15/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

aaronlolz said:
Im not sure if i love drugs
or if i love the high

if im losing my shit
or
if its the drugs



It's the drugs.


It's always the drugs.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Aedium]
    #23544742 - 08/15/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

aaronlolz said:
Im not sure if i love drugs
or if i love the high

if im losing my shit
or
if its the drugs



I'm stealing this to write a song.


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What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23544758 - 08/15/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:busytripping:


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23544762 - 08/15/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Kush_Zombie said:
Quote:

aaronlolz said:
Im not sure if i love drugs
or if i love the high

if im losing my shit
or
if its the drugs



I'm stealing this to write a song.



can i hear it when its finished


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Aedium]
    #23544767 - 08/15/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If I turn out to not be talking out of my ass and actually write it, then yes.


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Presto 23-Quart Pressure Cooker
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PastyWhyte's Easy Agar Tek
Munchauzen's Cultivation Video Series
How EvilMushroom666 Prepares His Grains (I use jars with Synthetic Filter Discs)
What is G2G? (Grain-to-Grain)
Damion5050's Coir Tek (I use 5.5 - 6 quarts of water instead of 4. Also ignore step 13 and ignore the monotub completely. The only purpose of this tek is to show you how to make a simple substrate. I also add gypsum to it but not necessary)
Spitball's Monotub Tek (A liner isn't necessary but is useful)
Use 6500k lights throughout the whole process. When you wake up, turn the light on. When you go to sleep turn the light off. It's as simple as that.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: plasma] * 1
    #23544770 - 08/15/16 05:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

plasma said:
ectomorphic
endomorphic
mesomorohic

I'm most certainly Ectomorphic. I can eat 3000 + calories daily and not put on any fat




Yeah. I'm an ectomorph too. Its definitely genetic. People who say otherwise have been duped into a very well maintained myth.

I lost all my testosterone in my late twenties and got on female hormones which make most people put on weight, and I did not put on any weight at all in spite of having regular ice cream cravings which I satisfy with a vengeance. I've always been like this, it would be hard for me to add keep weight if I tried. I eat good stuff mixed with crap and though my lifestyle isn't entirely sedentary its not the most active lifestyle either. I see people who are trying harder and are fatter.

I hate fat shaming, fat shamers are shallow narcissistic toolboxes, and fuck everybody who disagrees.

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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Kush_Zombie]
    #23544850 - 08/15/16 06:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Kush_Zombie said:
If I turn out to not be talking out of my ass and actually write it, then yes.



you and me both brother


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: trees] * 2
    #23544877 - 08/15/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Evidence is beginning to point towards the ecology of our gut microbiota as the primary influence on how we gain weight. Take care of your microbiome and it will take care of you.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: FrozenHappiness]
    #23545010 - 08/15/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Oh my, that's some purley hair you got there.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: trees]
    #23545163 - 08/15/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I'n sure of the decade of of high prescribed doses of Ritalin and Adderall starting at the age of 7 have nothing to do with fact that i absolutely struggle to maintain 160lbs eating as much as i can being 6'4 and various other things.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Soluminia]
    #23545183 - 08/15/16 07:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

A lot of 50+ year olds in my family are still skinny. So the so called fact that everyone gets fat once you reach 30+ is bullshit.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #23545196 - 08/15/16 08:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

spirit_shadow said:
A lot of 50+ year olds in my family are still skinny. So the so called fact that everyone gets fat once you reach 30+ is bullshit.




Nobody said everyone gets fat, that is a statistical anomaly. Plenty of elderly people are skin and bones.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Crystal G]
    #23545217 - 08/15/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I agree that its a fact that the metabolisms slows down the older one gets but im with op in that most things are due to genetics. Yes outside variables can effect it. Which is most likely the cause for 30+ year olds get fat. They dont adjust their diet to their slowing metabolism.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: trees] * 5
    #23545986 - 08/16/16 04:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No its not just genetic.

If you have seen my picture:



You see that I'm obese. not just a but obese, at the time of that picture I was Cat D obese (now Cat C and dropping), I had as many pounds as there are days in the year.



I had my DNA work done by 23AndMe at the time the FDA still allowed them to give full medical disclosure. Result: Yes I have a tendency to genetic obesity, but about 10-20 lbs worth.

Not 175lbs worth of excess weight.

This is due to BAD FOOD CHOICES (80% of all foods are fattening, virtually all prepared foods are and aI lived on those) SUGAR OVERCONSUMPTION, IRRESPONSIBLE DIETING and LACK OF EXERCISE.

Now that I'm this fat its scientificxally proven that its next to impossible to lose the weight andkeep it off. The cards are enormously stacked against me. My chance to return to a healthy bmi and stay there for a lifetime are 1 in 1290 Thats the science talking. You have to be an anomaly.

well guess what:

I'm going to do what it takes to become that anomaly. I'm gonna grab the bull by the horns and wrestle it to the ground.

I got hella motivation, and thats what you need.

Its not all genetic. Its genetics, a bad food environment and advanced metabolic syndrome.

Dont oversimplify it.

Eat like I ate, arm in arm with Ben & Jerry and a frozen pizza for dinner and you sir will be FAT before you know it.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Asante] * 1
    #23545989 - 08/16/16 04:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think the propensity for it to be genetic is programmed into every single one of us. I'm not a huge science head but I suspect it's DNA. Hereditary certainly. The Ecto/Endo/Meso bodytypes are as good as a categorisation method as we have IMO.

What they don't factor in is eating disorders caused by psychological harms, most often due to abuse during childhood. You can practically override that genetic setting if you massively over-eat or under-eat. Or take steroids, as is an increasingly common trend in men.

I don't know stats (would like to see them, but need bed), but I suspect over-eating (often referred to as 'comfort eating') is more prevalent than under-eating (as seen in bulimia/anorexia).


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Asante]
    #23545990 - 08/16/16 04:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If you followed me around in thoise years you'd wonder "why thre hell is he easting again, and again this much? Thats insulin resistance for you. Most of the calories I eat are directly turned to fat so if I eat a big meal I get the available energy levels as if I get a smallish meal.

I only "see" most of the calories on the scale, not in my muscles where they belong.

Insulin resistance, all fat people have it, and its DIRECTLY CAUSED by sugar overconsumption over years.



SUGAR IS A POISON IN DAILY DOSES OVER 30 GRAMS




SUGAR IS A POISON IN DAILY DOSES OVER 30 GRAMS




If you take anything from this post, let it be that slogan. Its the key to why everybody is fat now and everybody was lean in your grandfathers time when they cooked huge steaks in butter and lard.


Heres the university lecture that explains the science:



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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Asante]
    #23546000 - 08/16/16 04:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-management/features/the-new-cholesterol-diet-oatmeal-oat-bran

The oatmeal train waits for no man. It does however  go slow enough for people of all shapes and sizes to jump on.

2. Oats

Wrongly tarred with the “carb” brush, oats are a whole grain, and are high in soluble fiber, so they cut cholesterol and blood fat. They’re also high on what nutritionists call the “satiety index,” meaning oats have tremendous power to make you feel full. Oats digest slowly, so they don’t raise your blood sugar, and they keep you feeling filled up well into the late morning. Oatmeal is, oddly enough, one of the best foods to help you sleep, as well. Old-fashioned steel-cut and rolled oats, with up to 5 grams of fiber per serving, are best, but even instant oatmeal has 3 to 4 grams of fiber per serving.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/melaniehaiken/2011/07/20/5-foods-that-burn-fat/#65eab03d664c


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: trees] * 1
    #23546008 - 08/16/16 05:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

My genetics make it extremely hard for me to gain weight even when I try to eat as much fat and calories as I can.

But Its not "purely genetic", not even close.

My brother has very similar genetics to me and we look very similar but he is a heroin-skinny vegan smoker who never worked out and I am a big ripped guy eating bison steaks and lifting weights.

Genetics, Lifestyle, diet, exercise...They all matter


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23546040 - 08/16/16 05:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

LobsterSauce said:
http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-management/features/the-new-cholesterol-diet-oatmeal-oat-bran

The oatmeal train waits for no man. It does however  go slow enough for people of all shapes and sizes to jump on.

2. Oats

Wrongly tarred with the “carb” brush, oats are a whole grain, and are high in soluble fiber, so they cut cholesterol and blood fat. They’re also high on what nutritionists call the “satiety index,” meaning oats have tremendous power to make you feel full. Oats digest slowly, so they don’t raise your blood sugar, and they keep you feeling filled up well into the late morning. Oatmeal is, oddly enough, one of the best foods to help you sleep, as well. Old-fashioned steel-cut and rolled oats, with up to 5 grams of fiber per serving, are best, but even instant oatmeal has 3 to 4 grams of fiber per serving.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/melaniehaiken/2011/07/20/5-foods-that-burn-fat/#65eab03d664c





Sound advice. I work with Psyllium husks for the same reasons but I'm thinking of adding oatmeal because its just VERY good for you.

I'd have to cook it in water though as I switched from goats milk to fat free quark for my dairy. My quark contains:

Protein: 9%
Carbs: 3%
Fat: 0.3%
Salt: 0.1%
+probiotics

The only people I see who have that in their cart are athletes. Its REALLY good stuff, all natural anabolic food.



It has a creaminess reminiscent of ice cream, mayonnaise, whipped cream, stuff like that but it actually has less fat, carbs and salt than plain skim milk.

Its good eating. Athlete food.


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    #23546048 - 08/16/16 05:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Never heard of it before!

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    #23546086 - 08/16/16 06:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-management/features/the-new-cholesterol-diet-oatmeal-oat-bran

The oatmeal train waits for no man. It does however  go slow enough for people of all shapes and sizes to jump on.

2. Oats

Wrongly tarred with the “carb” brush, oats are a whole grain, and are high in soluble fiber, so they cut cholesterol and blood fat. They’re also high on what nutritionists call the “satiety index,” meaning oats have tremendous power to make you feel full. Oats digest slowly, so they don’t raise your blood sugar, and they keep you feeling filled up well into the late morning. Oatmeal is, oddly enough, one of the best foods to help you sleep, as well. Old-fashioned steel-cut and rolled oats, with up to 5 grams of fiber per serving, are best, but even instant oatmeal has 3 to 4 grams of fiber per serving.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/melaniehaiken/2011/07/20/5-foods-that-burn-fat/#65eab03d664c





Sound advice. I work with Psyllium husks for the same reasons but I'm thinking of adding oatmeal because its just VERY good for you.

I'd have to cook it in water though as I switched from goats milk to fat free quark for my dairy. My quark contains:

Protein: 9%
Carbs: 3%
Fat: 0.3%
Salt: 0.1%
+probiotics

The only people I see who have that in their cart are athletes. Its REALLY good stuff, all natural anabolic food.



It has a creaminess reminiscent of ice cream, mayonnaise, whipped cream, stuff like that but it actually has less fat, carbs and salt than plain skim milk.

Its good eating. Athlete food.




Ah, Flohsamen.

Get oats into you, pronto.

Linseed and flohsamen are sprinkled into my bowls of porridge or oats, along with cinnamon for flavour.

A big bowl of matschige haferflocken is so filling and a great base for the morning time, and one tends to then have less need for snacking in between.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23546160 - 08/16/16 07:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Genetics play a role but I dont think they really define what we turn out to be.

I have a slow digestive system and need daily fiber supplement daily which is usually 1 table spoon of psylium husk. Withought fiber I just shit 2 times a week and feel constabtly constipated.

I feel you asante thats why when I smoke weed I do my dam best to avoid the munchies, If I just food trip one time I end up feeling complety bloated and gain instantanious weight.

Its necessary for me to play at least 4 hoirs of sports for 3 days each week or else I would feel sluggish and heavy footed.


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    #23546165 - 08/16/16 07:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

one table spoon of psyllium husk? Dude that makes you shit like horse!

You might better take a teaspoon with every meal so every load of food gets lubricated (for lack of a better word)


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    #23546167 - 08/16/16 07:27 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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If you're fat, or crack head skinny, it's not your fault, it's your genetics making you fat or skinny. Genetics also greatly affects your eating habits.

I'm a fairly skinny man, 6' and 145 lbs and my weight is purley genetic. I could eat whole pizzas and mcDonalds 24/7 for months and I'd look unchanged. I can put on miniscule ammounts of fat like this, but it burns off within days.

The fat people in my life like to tell me that I'm "crack head skinny". But when they try to adjust their weight, it's just as difficult for them as it is for me. That's cause they're genetically fat. Not that they can't loose the weight without starving, it's just really really difficult, just as it is for me to gain and keep fat.

There are exceptions with some people who can easily go from skinny to fat and back to skinny, but that is genetic aswell.

Perfect example of weight genetics I observed in a family Im friends with.:
-Mother is obese, father is skinny :lol: They had a son and daughter. Son is obese, daughter is skinny. Both grew up on the same food and same household and everything. Their difference is genetic.

It's all genetic, no matter what.




Not because you realize a link in your friend family about your father being skinny and your mom being obese, that you can make a generalize statement about genetics and how you don't have a choice to either be fat,skinny,fit,husky,lanky.

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    #23546275 - 08/16/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Big and small offspring means nothing.

One could lead an active lifestyle and the other sedentary.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Asante]
    #23547260 - 08/16/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I had my DNA work done by 23AndMe at the time the FDA still allowed them to give full medical disclosure. Result: Yes I have a tendency to genetic obesity, but about 10-20 lbs worth.

Not 175lbs worth of excess weight.




Yes, I agree that genetics play a role but only to a certain point. People might be predisposed to be 10lbs overweight, or even 20 or 30lbs overweight. Just like how some people are genetically predisposed to be average, or 10 or 20lbs underweight. However, rarely is it "genetics" to be 200lbs overweight. Rarely is it "genetics" to be 50-100lbs underweight. At a certain point you have to realize it's your external conditions and dietary and living factors that have caused your situation to be worse.

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    #23547264 - 08/16/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

His weight loss jurney was finding that he weight what he was supposed to the whole time


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    #23547316 - 08/16/16 04:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No, they just eat garbage and don't work out


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    #23547459 - 08/16/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I still think genetics is the main culprit to be 200 lbs over weight. Their genetics make for efficient fat storage. Their genetics also affects their eating habits and appetite.

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Like I said in the first post, real life example: fat-mom and skinny-dad have offspring of fat-son and skinny-daughter.

Sometimes, phenotypic traits are passed exclusivley from 'father to daughter', and from 'mother to son'. It has to do with X and Y chromosomes.

Say, the fat genes are in one of mom's two X chromosomes. The son gets the fat X chromosome. And by chance, the daughter gets the OTHER: Non-fat X chromosome.
Or the father's X chromosome, which the son does not have, has skinny genes which are 'dominant' expressed instead of the fat genes.

The fat-son and skinny-daughter grew up in the same household, lived on the same food, and were both equally active, although I do remember the skinny-daughter was lazy and would eat cookies and chips everyday.


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    #23547531 - 08/16/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I say will power affects it all alot more.

I was close to 300lbs in high school. I lost over 100lbs in about a year and haven't been over 150 since.


Your diet does effect it. Believe it or not junk food is not the ideal way to gain weight, even if you are genetically prone to skinnyness.


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    #23547553 - 08/16/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

not a single prisonner in nazi concentration camp was fat

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    #23547556 - 08/16/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ya I can't gain weight even if I try and I eat like a fat ass, I fuckin love food. I figured a lot of it was genetic but I'm sure a lot of it is how healthy I eat and how active my lifestyle is.

Even if your are genetically predisposed to obesity take up a hobbie like climbing or cycling and make genetics your bitch!


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    #23547560 - 08/16/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)




On the real though

genetics do play a huge role in metabolic processes. But people who have efficient metabolisms, like me need to take personal responsibility for that and NOT EAT MORE CALORIES THAN THEY NEED. If you eat more calories than you need, you'll gain weight. it's that simple. Some people need more calories to function than others because their metabolic processes aren't as efficient as those of other people. So if you have a hard time losing weight, yes it does mean that back in caveman days you would'e been more likely to survive. But NO, it isn't the "food industry's" fault if you're fat. You can't blame a profit-seeking industry in a capitalist society for your own self-destructive decision making.

having said that. I work in a dog kennel, which means I feed hundreds of dogs. Some 50lb dogs eat 4 cups of food a day and are skinny as hell. Some 50lb dogs eat 1 cup of food a day and are obese and diabetic. So yes, your genetic makeup can nake it extremely difficult for you to lose weight- or to gain weight, as the case may be. I'm a 5'9 170lb male. Most males of that height and weight need to eat at least 2500 calories to be healthy, happy, and not hungry. If I eat more than 2000 I will gain weight. I try to eat in the 1800-2000 range and I am fully functioning and healthy. The key is just to eat foods that keep you full for a long time- not CARBS/SUGAR.


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    #23547573 - 08/16/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Diet soda is the most rediculous thing I've ever seen

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not a single prisonner in nazi concentration camp was fat

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    #23548101 - 08/16/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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A lot of 50+ year olds in my family are still skinny. So the so called fact that everyone gets fat once you reach 30+ is bullshit.




Nobody said everyone gets fat, that is a statistical anomaly. Plenty of elderly people are skin and bones.





it's not a statistical anomaly, only about 1/3 of the US is obese, that's different
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A lot of 50+ year olds in my family are still skinny. So the so called fact that everyone gets fat once you reach 30+ is bullshit.




Nobody said everyone gets fat, that is a statistical anomaly. Plenty of elderly people are skin and bones.





it's not a statistical anomaly, only about 1/3 of the US is obese, that's different
than being overweight, overweight can include people with a lot of muscle mass




What do you mean "only" 1/3rd, that's 1 out of 3 people, there's even more if you include the numbers of people who are overweight.

The numbers of people who are overweight from being massively buff are nowhere near the amount of people who are just overweight from excess fat.


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    #23548232 - 08/16/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Tell the people that were in Nazi Germany prison camps that being fat or skinny is genetic, LOL. 
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    #23548250 - 08/16/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Its not all genetic. Its genetics, a bad food environment and advanced metabolic syndrome.




Developmental, psychological and epigenetic factors, and the metabolic and endocrine factors of gut microbiome composition, need to be considered as well.

Nobody is saying that it is simple. I just think that it is cruel to point fingers and make judgments about people's temperament and lifestyle when it's obvious there is so much about it that is not understood or not under our direct control.


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    #23548541 - 08/16/16 11:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yo can change your gut biome. Its mosty lifestyle. Id say, 90%. Look at the average weight of someone from 1950, or the civil war


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    #23548587 - 08/16/16 11:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, you can change your gut microbiome by putting somebody else's poop up your own butt.

I've never been on a fad diet so I wouldn't know, but I'm guessing "ask your skinny friends who treat you like garbage because you're fat to give you their poop so you can stick it up your butt and balance out your gut microbiome" isn't a part of most fad diets.


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    #23548600 - 08/17/16 12:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I thought I had to eat the poop
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    #23548612 - 08/17/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I honestly don't know if that would be an easier sell or not. Either way, fad diets have nothing to do with skinny people's poop, and therein lies the crux of the problem.


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    #23548660 - 08/17/16 12:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I have just been eating healthy, and in a couple years, lost the weight. 240 to 180 or so. It takes time and effort. I thought I had cancer I was so sick. I threw up, daily. Was ready to just die
cooking cabbage isnt as apetizing as a greasy burger though

I was eating walmart everything bread as a staple, wth hummas and salami. I also liked kettle chips, sweet things.

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    #23548738 - 08/17/16 01:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I actually have a similar experience, around two or so years ago, I began feeling really sick all the time. It happened pretty suddenly, like one day out of the blue. It was like hunger mixed with nausea. I would get these horrible hunger pangs, then go and gorge on my usual greasy, starchy proteinacious staples and promptly be overcome with nausea, and vomit. So I just stopped eating. And I continued to cycle through extreme hunger and dryheaving nausea, every hour or so, regardless to whether I ate or not. After a couple days of being gnawed at by this awful nauseous hunger, I closed my eyes and meditated. I wondered what sort of feeling food could have in my stomach that wouldn't be nauseating. And what came to mind was fresh greens. Up to that point in my life I'd always hated salad, but I never bothered to experiment with it and figure out what I liked. I just dismissed it. But at that point, I suddenly felt that I needed salad. In my nauseous hunger, it was the only food that I could think of without worsening the nausea.

So I went and got some salad, and it felt so good to eat it. I didn't like the way it tasted, but it felt so fucking good when I got it down. The nausea faded and I could eat other foods again. Since then I've sussed out a great salad recipe with a taste that I truly enjoy, and do regularly, and I generally feel pretty fine.

This happened a couple months after I changed my hormones, so I always just figured it was a hormonal thing. Like estrogen makes you crave fresh greens and makes you puke if you don't get them, or something. But I was also 27 at the time, and it's possible the years of shitty eating just caught up with me. Either way, I don't get the impression most people with unhealthy diets, at any age, have been through the experience we've had where the body begins to reject food altogether until it gets something healthy. I also haven't actually lost any significant amount of weight since then. That's probably a good thing, since I was never overweight in the first place.

The point of this post was partially just to share my experience, but also to point out that people's digestion and metabolism are hugely variable. Again, I think it's tremendously fucked up to judge anybody based on the degree of fat accumulation visible on their body when such a simple experience as hunger and eating is so tremendously variable. And this is to say nothing of the variability of actual metabolism, where the body decides whether to immediately metabolize the various forms of chemical energy it takes in or to store them as fat. These are obviously forces which are beyond our willpower and which act on each of us in tremendously different ways, for reasons we can at best explain with educated guesses. It is way too complicated to boil down to a simplistic fat-shaming rubric without being a complete asshole for no good reason to people who don't deserve it.


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    #23548792 - 08/17/16 02:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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not a single prisonner in nazi concentration camp was fat

purely genetics.. doubt it





For some context: they were being startved to death while being sorked to death. Their bodies were used as an expendable resource to last only a few months and they were given 300 calories a day.

It would take a concentration camp or a seriously diseased mind to get these kinds of "weightloss results".


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    #23548885 - 08/17/16 03:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure I buy the sugar makes you fat thing. Just based on myself. I'm 6'2" and 175lbs and 34. I consume so much sugar on average it's ridiculous.
I eat healthy food too but I fucking love my candy and sweet stuff. Pretty much been that way for most of my life..
I don't really ever gain a pound. I just have a crazy ass metabolism.... if I eat too much sugar at night I usually pay for it by sweating it all out while I sleep. But I've always been thin.
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Urrgh... a while ago, I bought this huge box of sour straws. The fucking thing had 150 servings in it and I killed it in two weeks. Never again. I felt like such utter shit for those entire two weeks. By the end of it I wasn't sure if I would ever feel normal again. :argh:


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A lot of 50+ year olds in my family are still skinny. So the so called fact that everyone gets fat once you reach 30+ is bullshit.




Nobody said everyone gets fat, that is a statistical anomaly. Plenty of elderly people are skin and bones.





it's not a statistical anomaly, only about 1/3 of the US is obese, that's different
than being overweight, overweight can include people with a lot of muscle mass




What do you mean "only" 1/3rd, that's 1 out of 3 people, there's even more if you include the numbers of people who are overweight.

The numbers of people who are overweight from being massively buff are nowhere near the amount of people who are just overweight from excess fat.




an excess of muscle mass doesnt mean they're buff, many people gain muscle mass
from simply working physical labor jobs, the body mass index really doesnt mean
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    #23549060 - 08/17/16 05:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Tell the people that were in Nazi Germany prison camps that being fat or skinny is genetic, LOL. 
You are ignorant



I hope these responses are jokes, but they don't seem like jokes. Did you forget that those people were starved and malnoirished?

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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: trees]
    #23549772 - 08/17/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

At some point in the past year or so, holocaust jokes became socially acceptable. I'm guessing Trump has something to do with it


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #23549779 - 08/17/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The generation who experienced that first hand is mostly dead now.  That might have something to do with it.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: idiotek]
    #23549886 - 08/17/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If you take genetically identical twins , put one on a vegan diet and make him a marathon runner and a smoker, then put the other one on a high protein high calorie diet , have him eat elk steaks and lift weights.

At the end of five years they will have drastically different bodies because despite being genetically identical, because genetics is only one of four important factors (genetics, diet, exercise and environment/situation)


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: trees] * 1
    #23550260 - 08/17/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Tell the people that were in Nazi Germany prison camps that being fat or skinny is genetic, LOL. 
You are ignorant



I hope these responses are jokes, but they don't seem like jokes. Did you forget that those people were starved and malnoirished?

Fat people loose their weight when malnoirished for months



No shit, Sherlock.
You just disproved your thread title, LOL.

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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Shroomism] * 1
    #23550268 - 08/17/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not sure I buy the sugar makes you fat thing.




Lol what?? There's a reason alcoholics get beer guts... I gained 20lbs when I went through my college drinking phase... in only 6 months!!


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Crystal G]
    #23550301 - 08/17/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Sugar does indeed make many fat.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Asante]
    #23550340 - 08/17/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Just wanted to say im really glad to see a bigger guy like asante take responsibility for his weight.

I realize genetics play a role in weight; however, far to often I see overweight people play the victim. They dont take any responsibility for shoveling junk food down their throats everyday. They claim people have "medical conditions" when the vast majority just dont live a healthy lifestyle.

It also sickens me to see this whole fat acceptance campaign being pushed down peoples throats. I dont exactly believe in fat shaming, but I shouldnt have to pretend like they are beautiful/healthy people. Nothing about it is normal or healthy. The fat acceptance movement just seems like another excuse to not take control of their addictions. Why would they? They are beautiful afterall.

Often I see people in shape discriminated against by obese people. I get passive aggressive remarks from big women that they are a "real women", as if the skinny in shape girls I date aren't real. Then when I pass on the soda and the cake/ice cream at the end of dinner im just "anorexic". As if taking care of yourself and being healthy is somehow a negative thing in their eyes. Sometimes I feel like the devil likes company, and big people want nothing more then for us all to be big to make themselves feel better.

Then there is the obese people with the gym memberships so they can take pictures of themselves to put on social media to act like they are doing something about their weight. Walking on the treadmill for five minutes long enough to post selfies in the gym doesn't make up for the binge eating of junk food all day long.

I wont judge fat people, but I also wont pretend like its normal/healthy/beautiful just as much as I wont pretend the person with track marks from being a heroin addict is beautiful. Both of them have major problems that need to be addressed. If they want to kill themselves with drugs and food then go for it, but dont seek acceptance for your destructive lifestyle and attack others for wanting to be healthy.

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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: danielx]
    #23550383 - 08/17/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Sugar absolutely makes you fat , no real question or debates about that.

Being fat is like smoking. Incredibly self destructive and totally an optional lifestyle choice for the vast majority of people.

A fat acceptance campaign is just as bad an idea as a smoking acceptance campaign for the same reason .

Fat people shouldn't be shamed in the sense of bullied or abused, but just like if your loved one is smoking you should try to get them to quit not celebrate how beautiful they look smoking .

Being obese isn't a victimless crime . In a finite world eating more than you need, more than your fair share, more than is healthy, is morally wrong not just aesthetically displeasing.

And in a nation with socialized medicine being obese creates huge burdens on tax payer funded hospitals and medicine .

The average woman today says more than the average man 50 years ago.

The human species is ballooning Into something that is almost a different species .

Moderation and discipline are virtues just As gluttony and sloth are vices.

When you see An obese person you are seeing the physical results of moral failings - when you see an obese person you are seeing sloth, greed and gluttony.

These are not "beautiful " traits to be celebrated or made more acceptable , they are moral wrongs that people need to own up to and change.

We all have flaws and failings but we shouldn't have ad campaigns to make people celebrate them or pretend that deforming your body through gluttony and sloth is sexy.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23550398 - 08/17/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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And in a nation with socialized medicine being obese creates huge burdens on tax payer funded hospitals and medicine




I cant confirm or deny this, but I heard thats a complete myth. Fat unhealthy people die at a younger age, but healthier people live to be really old and end up being even more of a burden on the system. A man dying at 60 of a heart attack from smoking/overeating/drinking will cost less then a healthier person living to be 90 who needs care/medicine/welfare for another 30 years.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Crystal G]
    #23550400 - 08/17/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not sure I buy the sugar makes you fat thing.




Lol what?? There's a reason alcoholics get beer guts... I gained 20lbs when I went through my college drinking phase... in only 6 months!!




Correlation does not equal causation. You gained 20lbs because you weren't watching your calories.

I probably could sub half my caloric intake for alcohol for a month and not gain a single pound. I'm willing to put money on it.

/ I'm not saying that consuming sugar/alcohol is conducive to good health, but it simply doesn't account for massive weight gains when calories are kept in check.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: falsereality]
    #23550414 - 08/17/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

being fat is a symptome of a problem, nt the actual problem

skinny people think they are fuly protected, but the bosy accumulates damage. you may think you are healthy, but you are not optimal and cant know how you would be if you had bot made those por choices


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Crystal G]
    #23550447 - 08/17/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not sure I buy the sugar makes you fat thing.




Lol what?? There's a reason alcoholics get beer guts... I gained 20lbs when I went through my college drinking phase... in only 6 months!!




alcohol inhibits the oxidazation of fat cells, that's why many people who drink a lot get fat

http://www.bodybuilding.com/content/5-ways-alcohol-hinders-fat-loss.html


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    #23550464 - 08/17/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I didnt know that. Interesting
doesnt effect me, I dont drink, but still.

apparently it also inhibits protein synthesis. It probably throws muscle to fat ratios off pretty bad


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: trees] * 1
    #23550472 - 08/17/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You're a whole lot dumber than I thought you were.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23550495 - 08/17/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I didnt know that. Interesting
doesnt effect me, I dont drink, but still.

apparently it also inhibits protein synthesis. It probably throws muscle to fat ratios off pretty bad




It basically effects every part of you, negatively

Wanna build muscle? Don't drink

Wanna lose weight? Don't drink

Wanna build endurance? Don't drink

It's almost as bad as marijuana :lol:


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23550530 - 08/17/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Alcohol metabolizes into sugar and has a lot of calories.

The sugar, carbs and calories are definitely a big part of why alcohol causes weight gain .

And yeah alcohol is brutally harmful.

I wish I could quit but I have never been able to. There is always some compelling reason to drink.

For example, I am going out to spend a few days with my family at a cabin and my wife and I just feel we really need a few drinks for that.

I hope someday I can kick it, I'm just grateful I'm not a problem drinker or alcoholic as alcoholism runs in my family .


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: falsereality]
    #23550679 - 08/17/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not sure I buy the sugar makes you fat thing.




Lol what?? There's a reason alcoholics get beer guts... I gained 20lbs when I went through my college drinking phase... in only 6 months!!




Correlation does not equal causation. You gained 20lbs because you weren't watching your calories.

I probably could sub half my caloric intake for alcohol for a month and not gain a single pound. I'm willing to put money on it.

/ I'm not saying that consuming sugar/alcohol is conducive to good health, but it simply doesn't account for massive weight gains when calories are kept in check.




It's not just calories. The body doesn't metabolize all calories equally. Your body doesn't digest 300 calories from an avocado the same way it digests 300 calories from powdered donuts.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Crystal G]
    #23550681 - 08/17/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

maybe combine them to get full nutritional benafit


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Crystal G]
    #23550963 - 08/17/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

tell that to the iifym people


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