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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Crystal G]
    #23547459 - 08/16/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I still think genetics is the main culprit to be 200 lbs over weight. Their genetics make for efficient fat storage. Their genetics also affects their eating habits and appetite.

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Like I said in the first post, real life example: fat-mom and skinny-dad have offspring of fat-son and skinny-daughter.

Sometimes, phenotypic traits are passed exclusivley from 'father to daughter', and from 'mother to son'. It has to do with X and Y chromosomes.

Say, the fat genes are in one of mom's two X chromosomes. The son gets the fat X chromosome. And by chance, the daughter gets the OTHER: Non-fat X chromosome.
Or the father's X chromosome, which the son does not have, has skinny genes which are 'dominant' expressed instead of the fat genes.

The fat-son and skinny-daughter grew up in the same household, lived on the same food, and were both equally active, although I do remember the skinny-daughter was lazy and would eat cookies and chips everyday.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: trees] * 1
    #23547531 - 08/16/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I say will power affects it all alot more.

I was close to 300lbs in high school. I lost over 100lbs in about a year and haven't been over 150 since.


Your diet does effect it. Believe it or not junk food is not the ideal way to gain weight, even if you are genetically prone to skinnyness.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #23547553 - 08/16/16 05:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

not a single prisonner in nazi concentration camp was fat

purely genetics.. doubt it


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #23547556 - 08/16/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ya I can't gain weight even if I try and I eat like a fat ass, I fuckin love food. I figured a lot of it was genetic but I'm sure a lot of it is how healthy I eat and how active my lifestyle is.

Even if your are genetically predisposed to obesity take up a hobbie like climbing or cycling and make genetics your bitch!


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23547560 - 08/16/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)




On the real though

genetics do play a huge role in metabolic processes. But people who have efficient metabolisms, like me need to take personal responsibility for that and NOT EAT MORE CALORIES THAN THEY NEED. If you eat more calories than you need, you'll gain weight. it's that simple. Some people need more calories to function than others because their metabolic processes aren't as efficient as those of other people. So if you have a hard time losing weight, yes it does mean that back in caveman days you would'e been more likely to survive. But NO, it isn't the "food industry's" fault if you're fat. You can't blame a profit-seeking industry in a capitalist society for your own self-destructive decision making.

having said that. I work in a dog kennel, which means I feed hundreds of dogs. Some 50lb dogs eat 4 cups of food a day and are skinny as hell. Some 50lb dogs eat 1 cup of food a day and are obese and diabetic. So yes, your genetic makeup can nake it extremely difficult for you to lose weight- or to gain weight, as the case may be. I'm a 5'9 170lb male. Most males of that height and weight need to eat at least 2500 calories to be healthy, happy, and not hungry. If I eat more than 2000 I will gain weight. I try to eat in the 1800-2000 range and I am fully functioning and healthy. The key is just to eat foods that keep you full for a long time- not CARBS/SUGAR.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: morrowasted]
    #23547573 - 08/16/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Diet soda is the most rediculous thing I've ever seen

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not a single prisonner in nazi concentration camp was fat

purely genetics.. doubt it




:mindblown::thisisterrible:


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: trees]
    #23547590 - 08/16/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:smugjerry:


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Crystal G]
    #23548101 - 08/16/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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A lot of 50+ year olds in my family are still skinny. So the so called fact that everyone gets fat once you reach 30+ is bullshit.




Nobody said everyone gets fat, that is a statistical anomaly. Plenty of elderly people are skin and bones.





it's not a statistical anomaly, only about 1/3 of the US is obese, that's different
than being overweight, overweight can include people with a lot of muscle mass


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23548125 - 08/16/16 08:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

all aboard the counterintuition train!


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: trees]
    #23548222 - 08/16/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Shut up, fatty.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23548223 - 08/16/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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A lot of 50+ year olds in my family are still skinny. So the so called fact that everyone gets fat once you reach 30+ is bullshit.




Nobody said everyone gets fat, that is a statistical anomaly. Plenty of elderly people are skin and bones.





it's not a statistical anomaly, only about 1/3 of the US is obese, that's different
than being overweight, overweight can include people with a lot of muscle mass




What do you mean "only" 1/3rd, that's 1 out of 3 people, there's even more if you include the numbers of people who are overweight.

The numbers of people who are overweight from being massively buff are nowhere near the amount of people who are just overweight from excess fat.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: trees] * 1
    #23548232 - 08/16/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Tell the people that were in Nazi Germany prison camps that being fat or skinny is genetic, LOL. 
You are ignorant


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Asante] * 1
    #23548250 - 08/16/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Its not all genetic. Its genetics, a bad food environment and advanced metabolic syndrome.




Developmental, psychological and epigenetic factors, and the metabolic and endocrine factors of gut microbiome composition, need to be considered as well.

Nobody is saying that it is simple. I just think that it is cruel to point fingers and make judgments about people's temperament and lifestyle when it's obvious there is so much about it that is not understood or not under our direct control.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23548541 - 08/16/16 11:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yo can change your gut biome. Its mosty lifestyle. Id say, 90%. Look at the average weight of someone from 1950, or the civil war


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23548587 - 08/16/16 11:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, you can change your gut microbiome by putting somebody else's poop up your own butt.

I've never been on a fad diet so I wouldn't know, but I'm guessing "ask your skinny friends who treat you like garbage because you're fat to give you their poop so you can stick it up your butt and balance out your gut microbiome" isn't a part of most fad diets.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 4
    #23548600 - 08/17/16 12:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I thought I had to eat the poop
what a mistake I made


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23548612 - 08/17/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I honestly don't know if that would be an easier sell or not. Either way, fad diets have nothing to do with skinny people's poop, and therein lies the crux of the problem.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #23548660 - 08/17/16 12:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I have just been eating healthy, and in a couple years, lost the weight. 240 to 180 or so. It takes time and effort. I thought I had cancer I was so sick. I threw up, daily. Was ready to just die
cooking cabbage isnt as apetizing as a greasy burger though

I was eating walmart everything bread as a staple, wth hummas and salami. I also liked kettle chips, sweet things.

then I bought liver and some veggies and turned it around


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23548738 - 08/17/16 01:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I actually have a similar experience, around two or so years ago, I began feeling really sick all the time. It happened pretty suddenly, like one day out of the blue. It was like hunger mixed with nausea. I would get these horrible hunger pangs, then go and gorge on my usual greasy, starchy proteinacious staples and promptly be overcome with nausea, and vomit. So I just stopped eating. And I continued to cycle through extreme hunger and dryheaving nausea, every hour or so, regardless to whether I ate or not. After a couple days of being gnawed at by this awful nauseous hunger, I closed my eyes and meditated. I wondered what sort of feeling food could have in my stomach that wouldn't be nauseating. And what came to mind was fresh greens. Up to that point in my life I'd always hated salad, but I never bothered to experiment with it and figure out what I liked. I just dismissed it. But at that point, I suddenly felt that I needed salad. In my nauseous hunger, it was the only food that I could think of without worsening the nausea.

So I went and got some salad, and it felt so good to eat it. I didn't like the way it tasted, but it felt so fucking good when I got it down. The nausea faded and I could eat other foods again. Since then I've sussed out a great salad recipe with a taste that I truly enjoy, and do regularly, and I generally feel pretty fine.

This happened a couple months after I changed my hormones, so I always just figured it was a hormonal thing. Like estrogen makes you crave fresh greens and makes you puke if you don't get them, or something. But I was also 27 at the time, and it's possible the years of shitty eating just caught up with me. Either way, I don't get the impression most people with unhealthy diets, at any age, have been through the experience we've had where the body begins to reject food altogether until it gets something healthy. I also haven't actually lost any significant amount of weight since then. That's probably a good thing, since I was never overweight in the first place.

The point of this post was partially just to share my experience, but also to point out that people's digestion and metabolism are hugely variable. Again, I think it's tremendously fucked up to judge anybody based on the degree of fat accumulation visible on their body when such a simple experience as hunger and eating is so tremendously variable. And this is to say nothing of the variability of actual metabolism, where the body decides whether to immediately metabolize the various forms of chemical energy it takes in or to store them as fat. These are obviously forces which are beyond our willpower and which act on each of us in tremendously different ways, for reasons we can at best explain with educated guesses. It is way too complicated to boil down to a simplistic fat-shaming rubric without being a complete asshole for no good reason to people who don't deserve it.


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Re: Being fat, or skinny, is purley genetic [Re: Jean-guy Masta]
    #23548792 - 08/17/16 02:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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not a single prisonner in nazi concentration camp was fat

purely genetics.. doubt it





For some context: they were being startved to death while being sorked to death. Their bodies were used as an expendable resource to last only a few months and they were given 300 calories a day.

It would take a concentration camp or a seriously diseased mind to get these kinds of "weightloss results".


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