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PsilocyBen17
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Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time....
#23544186 - 08/15/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi All,
I thought I'd share my observations on Polyfill vs. SFD's as filters. I'll give you some background first.
Recently a friend and I started growing oyster to sell to local restaurants. This plan got kiboshed due to lack of space, but left me with 24 unninoculated jars. I decided to let them sit while I put my edible strains away for long term storage...
All 24 jars were prepped on the same date in the same way and sterilized for a 90 minute cycle. The only difference is the filters.
He had prepped 12 jars with Polyfill filters and I had prepped 12 with propper SFDs. A month later here are the results:
 
Despite never being opened the Pollyfilled jars are overrun with trich.
On the other hand the jars with SFDs still look great and I expect I can use them later:
 
Interestingly, even my P. Tampensis jars inoculated with a clean agar wedge on 5/21/16 are overrun with trich, despite clean colonization 10 days after inoculating:

 I suspect this is because there are so many contams coming through the filter that they were able to overtake the myc.
This would mean that even when spawn appears clean there is probably a shitload of contams sitting on the surface that will show up during the spawn run.
From now on I won't be using anything but SFDs. The more time I spend in this hobby the more I realize that "shortcuts" can turn into more work in the end...
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#23544209 - 08/15/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't know, I use SFD's because you flop em on top of the lid and screw the ring on, however when I was new grower I ran so many jars with poly lids with horrible technique and had plenty of success, I used to even inoculate them through the poly with a syringe. Im suspecting the poly isn't stuffed super tight, which is a bitch enough to not do it properly, I remember stuffing those little holes one night and said fuck this shit and ordered enough SFD's to last a lifetime, though I only use them now for masters and do my expanding in bags.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#23544222 - 08/15/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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PsilocyBen17 said: Hi All,
I thought I'd share my observations on Polyfill vs. SFD's as filters. I'll give you some background first.
Recently a friend and I started growing oyster to sell to local restaurants. This plan got kiboshed due to lack of space, but left me with 24 unninoculated jars. I decided to let them sit while I put my edible strains away for long term storage...
All 24 jars were prepped on the same date in the same way and sterilized for a 90 minute cycle. The only difference is the filters.
He had prepped 12 jars with Polyfill filters and I had prepped 12 with propper SFDs. A month later here are the results:
 
Despite never being opened the Pollyfilled jars are overrun with trich.
On the other hand the jars with SFDs still look great and I expect I can use them later:
 
Interestingly, even my P. Tampensis jars inoculated with a clean agar wedge on 5/21/16 are overrun with trich, despite clean colonization 10 days after inoculating:

 I suspect this is because there are so many contams coming through the filter that they were able to overtake the myc.
This would mean that even when spawn appears clean there is probably a shitload of contams sitting on the surface that will show up during the spawn run.
From now on I won't be using anything but SFDs. The more time I spend in this hobby the more I realize that "shortcuts" can turn into more work in the end...
That's gnarly. Lol. I must have extremely good luck. Trich hasn't struck me yet and I usually toss my subs before anything can take them over. Swear to god though I haven't even been using poly or sfd. I just have a single hole in all my lids. Now that being said I'm making the switch because obviously they need a filter barrier, but I just wanted to share my luck haha.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Maximillion]
#23544293 - 08/15/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've done thousands of jars with poly
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: cronicr]
#23544302 - 08/15/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Besides that^^^^ I'm just gonna throw this out
I had 18 jars colonizing. Half had SFDs, half had tyvek filters. The only 2 that contaminated had SFDs.
Just one experience. It proves nothing.
I think tyvek, poly, and SFDs can all work well. I do prefer SFDs still.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: GreenRabbit]
#23544316 - 08/15/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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say it aint so , i love poly that shit is so cheap and easy to come by. Im sticking with it for those reasons.
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Just ordered 30 SFDs. I've had luck with them in the past whereas polyfill has caused lots of bacterial issues for me. It's kind of a crapshoot I've noticed.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Greg]
#23544334 - 08/15/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Greg said: Just ordered 30 SFDs. I've had luck with them in the past whereas polyfill has caused lots of bacterial issues for me. It's kind of a crapshoot I've noticed.
Could have used the polyfil already on hand to make your own SFD's
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19938845#19938845
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: h0ldthedoor]
#23544342 - 08/15/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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h0ldthedoor said: Could have used the polyfil already on hand to make your own SFD's
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19938845#19938845
Damn, wish I would have noticed that before making the order.
I guess I can try both this way though! Thanks for the link.
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Rooster Cogburn said: Im suspecting the poly isn't stuffed super tight,
There is not a lot of poly protruding out the top either. I liken it to the verm layer on PF jars, it has to be a certain depth to prevent contams making it all the way down as it does not have the micron rating as filters. I would compare it to having a sieve with holes 1mm wide, if you dropped polystyrene balls 0.9mm diameter into it many would pass through, if you had 50 sieves stacked up far less would make it all the way through. Balls only 0.5mm might not make it all the way down.
This is what I am more used to seeing.

I have not used polyfil but have used sponges with success and would have a lot of sponge on the outside and inside.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: cronicr]
#23544360 - 08/15/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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cronicr said: I've done thousands of jars with poly
Maybe not 1000 here but it works it has to be tighter. Polyfil is my second choice only to SFDs I would go back to poly if I had to make more lids
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: bodhisatta]
#23544416 - 08/15/16 03:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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ive used alot of poly lids but ya sfd ftw
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: tripdawg420] 1
#23544462 - 08/15/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Soooo Ben how you feeling about your post now?
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Inocuole]
#23544577 - 08/15/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Not feeling any younger. Thats for sure.
I think you said it best....Its way too easy to get the right tools for the job. When it comes to mushroom cultivation, you can't beat something that is designed for mushroom cultivation.
Sucks I had to learn the hard way, but I'm glad I learned. I'll be using SFDs from now on.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: PsilocyBen17] 1
#23544928 - 08/15/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fuck it all get bags ya won't regret it lol
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: cronicr]
#23545292 - 08/15/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Mad Season]
#23546113 - 08/16/16 06:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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How many bags can you guys do in a pc? Whats the bags vs. jars ratio? Lol. Do you NEED a heat sealer. Cant afford it right now but it does sound nice not to have crates and crates of jars around....drives the gf nuts.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#23546131 - 08/16/16 07:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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sealers are like $20, not pricey.
u don't need one, but if that flow hood in ur signature is still in commission, they are 110% worth it compared to zip ties IMO.
Bags are amazing man, especially with a hood. I maybe have 24 jars total.
in a 921, u can fit 4 bags at 5-6 qts each, and 6 bags at 3.5-4qts each.
the downside is waste stream. the upside is grain volume consolidation and space saving, and every filter is brand new every time (unless u reuse the bags, which some do i think).
they have their own set of problems (namely pinholes and occasional sealing problems if the top of bag is wet), but nothing u won't quickly figure out in time as u work with them.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: cronicr]
#23546638 - 08/16/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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cronicr said: I've done thousands of jars with poly
This. If it's not working, it needs to be tighter. IME, if you can inoculate through it, it's not tight enough.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: 36fuckin5]
#23546737 - 08/16/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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good tip, thanks kindly.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#23546768 - 08/16/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I notice that the mold is not trich. Looks like penicillium sp.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23546871 - 08/16/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I notice that the mold is not trich. Looks like penicillium sp.
Tiny spored bastards!
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Juiceh]
#23547938 - 08/16/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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hmmm interesting. I guess that just means that I have more Penicillium floating around in my room than trich?
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#23547944 - 08/16/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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some poly is also shittier then others some is thick and feels weird, i like the soft fluffy stuff
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: 36fuckin5]
#23577672 - 08/25/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I hope I can ask a side question without hijacking. been gone for a while. When you say: Quote:
36fuckin5 said:
This. If it's not working, it needs to be tighter. IME, if you can inoculate through it, it's not tight enough.
If it should be so tight, then how do you inoculate? maybe i've smoked too much bud, but I thought I remember doing it that way...?
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: MaJiK_420]
#23577680 - 08/25/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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MaJiK_420 said: I hope I can ask a side question without hijacking. been gone for a while. When you say: Quote:
36fuckin5 said:
This. If it's not working, it needs to be tighter. IME, if you can inoculate through it, it's not tight enough.
If it should be so tight, then how do you inoculate? maybe i've smoked too much bud, but I thought I remember doing it that way...?
You don't go through the poly to inoculate. You go through a SHIP, or lift the jar lid while in a SAB.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Psychedel.EXE]
#23577686 - 08/25/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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you can still go through the poly just need a sharp needle, careful don't push the poly into the jar.
SHIP is probably better or easier.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: bodhisatta]
#23577703 - 08/25/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Or just crack the lid...
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: bodhisatta]
#23577704 - 08/25/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I personally like to lift the jar lid while in a SAB, feels safer to me.
(i will stop sidetracking the thread)
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Psychedel.EXE]
#23577708 - 08/25/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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cronicr said: Or just crack the lid...
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Psychedel.EXE said: I personally like to lift the jar lid while in a SAB, feels safer to me.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: bodhisatta]
#23579519 - 08/26/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Trusted Cultivator said: you can still go through the poly just need a sharp needle, careful don't push the poly into the jar.
If it's tight enough to be up to my standards then you can't inoculate through it. I've had problems with anything less.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: 36fuckin5]
#23579591 - 08/26/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I used to use poly without problems bit it's too much work if youre lazy like me. Sfd's all the way baby
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Kenetic]
#23579844 - 08/26/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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its not lazy. Its efficient
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#23580234 - 08/26/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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now I can't wait until we find a solid solution to replacing the poly in monotubs.   
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: tombosley8]
#23580473 - 08/26/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ha nice but that's too much work too
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Kenetic]
#23580688 - 08/26/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Never used poly.. Only micropore tape, sfds, and band aids lol
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: spore-ty]
#23580701 - 08/26/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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fuck I take that back I might want to try it. I was just talking shit about that method but it'd be a nice way to test some grows. What tek is that
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Kenetic]
#23580711 - 08/26/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Plus each cup has it's own microclimate. I can see the usefulness in it now.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: tombosley8]
#23580765 - 08/26/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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tombosley8 said: now I can't wait until we find a solid solution to replacing the poly in monotubs.   ;)
Because that's the worst part of cultivation.. replacing polyfill in holes.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: spore-ty]
#23581492 - 08/26/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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spore-ty said: Never used poly.. Only micropore tape, sfds, and band aids lol
If you use micropore tape on monotub holes, you are just asking for fuzzy feet. Microspore makes for good GE, but not so much in the way of FAE. Also hard to dial in a tub if you can't adjust the parameters much. Just sayin. I know you didn't outright say you use micropore on monos, you were prolly JUST talking about filters for jars, but I still felt obligated to say such. It does look sexier, but its a shit practice.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Psychedel.EXE]
#23581520 - 08/26/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Psychedel.EXE]
#23581532 - 08/26/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I feel like one day, you'll be in for a surprise.
Edit: pasty with the timing
Edited by dankington (08/26/16 08:00 PM)
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: dankington]
#23581538 - 08/26/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It can be done!
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23581547 - 08/26/16 08:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well holy hell. That looks beautiful. I just read that the other day too. I can't remember who said it, but I wouldnt have repeated it if it was from some unmemorable poster. Maybe i'll find the link, but who knows. Looks good mang!
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Psychedel.EXE]
#23581561 - 08/26/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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dankington said: I feel like one day, you'll be in for a surprise.
Also, I will add... The timing of this could not be shittier. I JUST got back from walmart like 30 minutes ago. I JUST bought a bag of polyfil to stuff my monos BASED ON THAT SHIT I READ. lol I would have loved to use micropore. Now what imma do with all this poly!
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Psychedel.EXE]
#23581580 - 08/26/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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you can take that poly and stuff it
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Kenetic]
#23581594 - 08/26/16 08:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: cronicr]
#23581701 - 08/26/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Maybe this was it?? Or this?
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PussyFart said: If micropore tape allowed for enough FAE in a monotub, we would not use it as GE filters on our grain jars or cakes.
Use polyfill for monotubs. Micropore tape will not allow sufficient FAE.
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Munchauzen said: you are right. micropore is a poor choice for fae. just take out your polyfill and iron it flat.
Who knows, and who gives a fuck. When I run out of poly I'll give micropore a try.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Psychedel.EXE]
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Well put. Sexiness is also the reason I do FH work naked...
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#23581760 - 08/26/16 08:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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ah ah ah I work out...
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Kenetic] 1
#23581795 - 08/26/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I will be doing a writeup/ grow demonstration here soon.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23581859 - 08/26/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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 Nice! I look forward to reading that.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Psychedel.EXE]
#23582027 - 08/26/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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All filters are a waste of time IMO. Flip your lids upside down (rubber side up) and keep it very loosely secured, cover it with foil - you have to anyway for PC'ing and retain it as a dust cover / label spot. I've never noticed any difference in contams provided my technique is good.
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#23582038 - 08/26/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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yea!Quote:
Wiscoregon said: All filters are a waste of time IMO. Flip your lids upside down (rubber side up) and keep it very loosely secured, cover it with foil - you have to anyway for PC'ing and retain it as a dust cover / label spot. I've never noticed any difference in contams provided my technique is good.
Yeah!! just squirt a spore syringe into a blob of brown rice and vermiculite. Water every once in a while you feel like. That shit's straight. Muchroom's easy mashrooms are easier than grass. :onelove: you don't need no effort. Squirt syringe every place you want mashroom.
Or do shit right.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: dankington]
#23582044 - 08/26/16 10:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Have you tried it? Condescending fool. If you can handle G2G i'm sure you can wrap your mind around popping the lid corner super fast to squirt LC. Its actually quite useful you can modulate the moisture / air exchange to your liking (by making the lid more loose or more tight) depending on the conditions you're working with. Maybe I'll grace you with a write up sometime...save you a few dollars on poly fill and tyvek nonsense. Cheers.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: dankington]
#23582045 - 08/26/16 10:57 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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dankington said: yea!Quote:
Wiscoregon said: All filters are a waste of time IMO. Flip your lids upside down (rubber side up) and keep it very loosely secured, cover it with foil - you have to anyway for PC'ing and retain it as a dust cover / label spot. I've never noticed any difference in contams provided my technique is good.
Yeah!! just squirt a spore syringe into a blob of brown rice and vermiculite. Water every once in a while you feel like. That shit's straight. Muchroom's easy mashrooms are easier than grass. :onelove: you don't need no effort. Squirt syringe every place you want mashroom.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Wiscoregon]
#23582050 - 08/26/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wiscoregon said: All filters are a waste of time IMO. Flip your lids upside down (rubber side up) and keep it very loosely secured, cover it with foil - you have to anyway for PC'ing and retain it as a dust cover / label spot. I've never noticed any difference in contams provided my technique is good.
The worste peice of advice I've seen on the shroomery to date....
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Wiscoregon]
#23582068 - 08/26/16 11:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wiscoregon said: Have you tried it? Condescending fool. If you can handle G2G i'm sure you can wrap your mind around popping the lid corner super fast to squirt LC. Its actually quite useful you can modulate the moisture / air exchange to your liking depending on the conditions you're working with. Maybe I'll grace you with a write up sometime...save you a few dollars on poly fill and tyvek nonsense. Cheers.
Do you realize the irony of this post? You literally just posted about potential contamination in your current grow.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Dactylium]
#23582080 - 08/26/16 11:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, I get 100% success rates, or often 95%. I open air everything. In my kitchen. Which is normally quite messy. I'm literally about to knock up 27+ using this method, i'll be HAPPY to post the results. I'm in no way surprised there's bacterial contamination in jars that rocked over 90F. Common sense stuff. I was out of town when they temp spiked unfortunately and my caretaker didn't know any better. I'm actually eager to demonstrate it for you because a picture is worth a thousand words. I've had colonized quart jars in 8 days on popcorn using flipped lids. Its been fairly field tested over a handful of years.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Wiscoregon]
#23582088 - 08/26/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wiscoregon said: If you can handle G2G i'm sure you can wrap your mind around popping the lid corner super fast to squirt LC. .
The only thing worse than saying filters are pointless is saying that lids have corners
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#23582092 - 08/26/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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oh filter the shit out of your tubs. I'm just saying, for grain jars, it isn't strictly speaking necessary and in some cases may create new vectors for contamination.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: PsilocyBen17]
#23582096 - 08/26/16 11:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wiscoregon said: Yeah, I get 100% success rates, or often 95%. I open air everything. In my kitchen. Which is normally quite messy. I'm literally about to knock up 27+ using this method, i'll be HAPPY to post the results.
Open air everything?? I look forward to seeing your future posts.

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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Wiscoregon]
#23582103 - 08/26/16 11:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cutting corners
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Wiscoregon] 2
#23582106 - 08/26/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wiscoregon said: oh filter the shit out of your tubs. I'm just saying, for grain jars, it isn't strictly speaking necessary and in some cases may create new vectors for contamination.
Filter tubs but not grain jars?

You do not have 95-100% success in open air.. quit bullshitting.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Wiscoregon]
#23582115 - 08/26/16 11:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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These are purple mystics I was doing to test a LC. They are 4 days old. Doing well as always. Its 88 in my house unfortunately but supposed to cool down finally tomorrow. LOL i'll let ya know if they spoil! I'm sweating bullets! oh the irony

Lol and whats more this LC was made using COCONUT PALM SAP. LOL. I bought it at a discount grocery store. Horrible mistake. 3/4 LC's failed miserably. THE purple mystic showed its resilience.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Psychedel.EXE]
#23582123 - 08/26/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes open air everything meaning I don't have a laminar flow hood lying around and a nice clean room to work within. We work within the conditions we have not always the conditions we want. Sometimes it makes us better in what we do. I'm looking forward to sharing them.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Wiscoregon] 1
#23582136 - 08/26/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm no expert but those jars on the top look bacterial to me. Just build a still air box man it isn't hard.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Dactylium]
#23582139 - 08/26/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You're mistaken. I mostly lurk on this forum and don't really post much. but i've been on this forum since around 2006 - using a different user name prior to this one. So don't be mislead by my post count. I'm going to be doing a write up soon for basically all of my methodologies that work well for me. My 95 gallon steamer pasteurizer / process. Flipped lids. Straw logs. Monotubs. Zoodoo tek. etc etc. I'll do my best to teach what I know. If it works for you - great. If it doesn't, that's ok, there's plenty of other methods / teks for you to choose from. Find your method. as always.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Wiscoregon]
#23582595 - 08/27/16 06:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is this a joke?
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: PsilocyBen17] 1
#23582741 - 08/27/16 08:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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No some people really are this ignorant.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Kenetic]
#23582764 - 08/27/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wiscoregon, modless lids do work. But leaving foil on them is retarded practice. Almost as retarded as your practice of working open-air in your kitchen.
Most of the lids I have colonizing are modless. But you gotta know what you're doing, and it seems you don't.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: dankington]
#23582775 - 08/27/16 08:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I did open air in my kitchen for a long time
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#23582782 - 08/27/16 08:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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goddamn it azur. You always gotta contradict me.
So how were your results, open air, in your kitchen? Were you making LC with spore syringes too? Frying up some eggs on the side? Why u do dis?
Just because you've done it doesn't mean it's a good idea. I mean do you still shit in the bathwater too?
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: dankington]
#23582806 - 08/27/16 08:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, I made lots of spore LC's. Make 5 and plan on tossing 4. No food going on when I did this. One half of the kitchen was dedicated space. I'm not saying it's the right way. Just saying it worked fine.
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Did it work so well you got a flowhood just for the fun of it?
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: azur]
#23582815 - 08/27/16 09:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol, BD never really left did he?
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: dankington]
#23582830 - 08/27/16 09:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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No. I got a flow hood to increase production.
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#23582833 - 08/27/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Every time some fuck is going on about their shitty ways azur has to come throw a wrench in the cog by validating that shit..
Enjoy your 95-100% open air success rate bro. I'm sure you're such an expert that you can just skip all the techniques that everybody else had to master.
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Inocuole] 1
#23582838 - 08/27/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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then he'll disappear for a few months while said person is asking why everything is fucking up for them
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#23582839 - 08/27/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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no its great, BTW if you didnt know already your PC is pointless, throw it away, I've steamed popcorn for 90mins in a normal pot guess what? It worked!
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: Inocuole]
#23582842 - 08/27/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Like I said, I'm not advocating it. But it can work. Cloning in ziploc bags to LC's in open air definitely does work. But you obviously need to have a clean house and yada yada yada, which I'm sure most people don't. Now I work in a very clean lab in front of a huge flow hood. So obviously I don't think my older ways are how things should be done
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: spacechildo]
#23582844 - 08/27/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: no its great, BTW if you didnt know already your PC is pointless, throw it away, I've steamed popcorn for 90mins in a normal pot guess what? It worked!
Now you're just trolling. I've always remained decently humble, but don't get upset because I can grow circles around you...
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: spacechildo]
#23582845 - 08/27/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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well, in the end you could. I mean Cronicr has done a lot without a PC. It's just that if you really know what you're doing, you could feasibly get away with a lot.
But some newb could get the wrong impression for sure.
And thanks for that clarification, Azur. We all know you rock, I just have to give you some shit
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: azur]
#23582849 - 08/27/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: no its great, BTW if you didnt know already your PC is pointless, throw it away, I've steamed popcorn for 90mins in a normal pot guess what? It worked!
Now you're just trolling. I've always remained decently humble, but don't get upset because I can grow circles around you...
no, I did grow like this before I found the shroomery. Now I now better, its a horrible method just like open air anything so of course I dont go around telling noobs "it can be done".
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Re: Why Pollyfill is a Waste of Time.... [Re: azur]
#23582860 - 08/27/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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haha, dude I just saw this now
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