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ID request nsw qld
    #23488421 - 07/29/16 08:59 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Habitat:
Where does it grow? Eg. woods, pasture, state, province, country, altitude, etc. What does it grow on? Eg. soil, dung, wood (dead, living, what kind of wood?), etc.

Gills:
Color, attached/not, gills/pores, etc.

Stem:
Length, diameter, color, texture, hollow/solid, thin/thick, etc.

Cap:
Diameter, color, texture, conical/spherical, convex/concave, etc.

Spore print color:
Very important!

Bruising:
Color that the mushroom bruises, if any.

Other information:
Scent of the mushroom, anything else you think is important, large close-up pictures showing stem, cap and gills.

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Hello - I would really appreciate some help ID-ing these mushrooms I found while working (gardener). I have a feeling they are active but I'd like to get a positive ID from the community.



Background information -



Climate/Location - Sub-tropical northern Queensland



Weather - 3 days of rain followed by slight temperature drop. Fruit appeared 1-2 days later.



Habitat - All found on mulch (mulch is most likely hardwood mixed with palms, etc) and the mulch layer is extremely think (10-25 cm) and probably mulched multiple times. Shaded area of garden bed.



Stem - Tan/brown colour, but with very obvious blue bruising around bottom of stem and where stem meets mycelium. Relatively weak and thin. Very thin once dried, but blue colour more apparent with dried stems (see photos)



Cap - Tannish light brown. 1-4 cm diameter. Most are around 2 cm (pretty small).



Gills - Black or dark dark brown.



Spore print - Looks black to dark brown. Sporulation on unharvested fruit looks black to dark brown (see photos).



Odour - Very mushroomy and psilo-esque.



I have a few more photos if any more are needed for a positive ID on these guys.



Thanks for the guidance!







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Re: ID request nsw qld [Re: Fractaliopsybe]
    #23488608 - 07/29/16 10:45 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

IMO those look like the pan subs, but I'm still trying to ID pans, so don't take my word for it, wait for a more experienced member to responded. Did they look like this?



I'm still trying to positively ID these little guys which I think are pan subs, same deal black spore print,
Substrate: cow poo
Stem: 4 in tan
Gills: very dark fresh turn more black when dried,

No real noticeable blue bruising,


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Re: ID request nsw qld [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23490558 - 07/29/16 11:49 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Yes they look somewhat similar to those pics in your post, especially when first fruited directly after rain event. Stems didn't really noticeably bruise blue until they were more noticeably dried - so like 2-3 days after fruiting and noticeably lower moisture content. Blue was very noticeable at base of fruit near where it connected to mycelium. Thanks for the input and I will say tuned to this thread, thanks to all that help with this ID.


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Re: ID request nsw qld [Re: strangedays_indeed]
    #23500642 - 08/02/16 05:57 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Any other thoughts on this Northern QLD fungi? I suspect they may be Coplandia cyanescens aka Pan. cyanescens rather than pan subs? Thanks for any help with the positive ID.


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Re: ID request nsw qld [Re: strangedays_indeed]
    #23504336 - 08/03/16 04:36 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Here are some better photos of these fruit which I suspect to be some Panaeolus species. Would love some feedback on IDing these guys. Cheers.





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Re: ID request nsw qld [Re: strangedays_indeed]
    #23504346 - 08/03/16 04:49 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

They are Panaeolus papilionaceus


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Re: ID request nsw qld [Re: TimmiT]
    #23504349 - 08/03/16 04:51 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

:fonz::excellent:


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Re: ID request nsw qld [Re: TimmiT]
    #23504353 - 08/03/16 04:57 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Ah bummer - That is a non-active but still edible fruit yes?

The blue brusing at the base of the stems had me confident they were an active Panaeolus species, but I am not an expert nor do I know much about the local actives in N. QLD.

Thanks for the input - much appreciated.

Also - Fractilocybe - Does that mean a combonation of thumbs up and Mr. Burns saying "excellent" at the same time. :tongue:

Just kidding I think you are saying yes to TimmiT's ID yes on the Pan. papilionaceus?


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Re: ID request nsw qld [Re: strangedays_indeed]
    #23504358 - 08/03/16 05:03 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Correct. They're not active but edible (or at least not toxic).


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Re: ID request nsw qld [Re: TimmiT]
    #23504368 - 08/03/16 05:14 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I'm confused by this thread. The first pics of the dried out specimens look like Copelandia cyanescens. There is obvious bluing on the stem and the mycelium.

Then out of the same compost heap/mulch bed there are fresh specimens of Panaeolus papilionaceus as ID by TimmiT.

The first lot of photos are an active panaeolus species most likely cyanescens. The caps are different to the second ones.

Has manure of some kind been put in the mulch bed?


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Re: ID request nsw qld [Re: TimmiT]
    #23504377 - 08/03/16 05:23 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, thanks for the help TimmiT.

I will continue the search for actives in N Qld - I am mainly around thickly mulched garden beds for work - so I would assume I should mainly continue looking for Panaeolus species like P. subs or P. cyans.

I know you're down south but is there any other species I should keep my eyes out for on that type of substrate in this location?

Anyways thanks for the solid ID.

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Ok - Heyowana - I am 99% positive these are the exact same fruit just at different stages. I saw the fruit right after a rain, looked, took pics, pinched stem, no blue bruising. 2 days later I go back to same location where I took pics, and saw what I am 99% sure are the same fruit, but with clear blue bruising and harvested some, seeing more blue bruising on where mycelium and stem connect.

Mulch is semi composted yes. Only mammals around are Wallaby but there are a lot of them around and they poop everywhere in those garden beds.

That is why I was thinking they were P. cyans initially but now I am leaning towards P. Papilionaceus as TimmiT stated.

At least I now know they are safe to "try" none the less and will determine if they are active or not since I know it is safe.

Thanks for the comment let me know your thoughts on the first paragraph?

Do both species grow near each other or in same substrate ie mulch?


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Re: ID request nsw qld [Re: strangedays_indeed]
    #23504405 - 08/03/16 05:52 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I'm certain that those first five images you posted are Copelandia cyanescens. Their caps have flattened out as they matured. The stem is different to Panaeolus pap....( I'm a crappy speller) They have all the characteristics of  Copelandia cyanescens.

Both species grow off cow manure. That's the most likely source to find Copelandia cyanescens. I've read Panaeolus cinctulus is cosmopolitan. I've found them in NSW. They probably fruit in Qld as well off horse or cow dung.

I don't like Panaeolus pap... because I get a funny head after eating them. It feels a bit like a migraine. They are not supposed to contain psilocybin/psilocin. I've never felt out of it after eating them. Just a weird headache kind of feeling.


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Re: ID request nsw qld [Re: Heyowana]
    #23504494 - 08/03/16 07:34 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

:takingnotes:
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Re: ID request nsw qld [Re: strangedays_indeed]
    #23504660 - 08/03/16 09:41 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

I believe these are the same species I've been finding all over, they look similar to the panaeolus cyanescens, but the first pictures you posted look a lot like the ones I had identified as definitely active, !!!possibly!!! pan cyan here is a pic of them. Looks like we are in the same boat here strangerdays lol



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Re: ID request nsw qld [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23504690 - 08/03/16 09:58 AM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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IMO those look like the pan subs, but I'm still trying to ID pans, so don't take my word for it, wait for a more experienced member to responded. Did they look like this?



I'm still trying to positively ID these little guys which I think are pan subs, same deal black spore print,
Substrate: cow poo
Stem: 4 in tan
Gills: very dark fresh turn more black when dried,

No real noticeable blue bruising,





These guys are not panaeolus cyanescens from what I've learned, I'm with you guys on these being non active panaeolus pap.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but if your seeing very noticeable blue bruising then it's safe to say you have some type of copelandia at least. So stranger days I would go with the blue stuff only


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Re: ID request nsw qld [Re: Ruyguy]
    #23514462 - 08/05/16 11:46 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the reply Heyowana and Ruyguy. Right on. P. cyans, "most likely" is the take away I am getting from this. They seem active to me from sampling 1/2 cap before bed some activity but I had work in the AM so I just wanted to test for activity not a for real trial run. They look a lot like the photos you posted - Exactly when the cap opens up and the fruit begins sporulation and dropping in moisture content THAT is when I saw blue bruising, and thus harvest. I will try to trail them and get back to this thread for a full-circle positive ID thread. Thanks too all for reply. :thumbup:


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Re: ID request nsw qld [Re: strangedays_indeed]
    #23542782 - 08/15/16 04:06 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

Active :thumbup:


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Re: ID request nsw qld [Re: strangedays_indeed]
    #23542859 - 08/15/16 05:16 AM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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