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What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination?
    #23542368 - 08/14/16 10:11 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

These are supposed to be some type of Cubie, maybe B+ or KSSS, I've had a labeling fail.

Anyway, they don't look like the pics of any strain that I've acquired. I'm having trouble finding pics of such strangely contorted fruits anywhere. Despite the veils being fully opened, they do not seem to be dropping spores at all.

Is this likely environmental, contaminated spawn, genetics...other?















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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #23542393 - 08/14/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #23542407 - 08/14/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Looks like a cluster fuck of all 3 factors
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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: CosmoKramer]
    #23542419 - 08/14/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

1. over-mature
2. lacking fae
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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23542437 - 08/14/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Just goes to show how hardy cubes are


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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23542477 - 08/14/16 11:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What kind of fruiting chamber do you have going there?


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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: morty422]
    #23542516 - 08/14/16 11:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's a standard 20 gallon monotub with 6 holes, 4 low, 2 high, each covered with 100% polyester eco-fleece.

It would be interesting to know it was the tub design. The best flush I've ever had, wall-to-wall, just came from tubs of the same exact configuration but with different genetics--AA+. In addition, I have 3 other tubs, all the same design, growing normal looking shrooms, one with a decent pinset.

Nearly all of these deformed ones pinned on the side of the sub and grew up to the top. If due to lack of FAE, could it possibly be because they spent much of their lives stuck between the tub and sub?

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What kind of fruiting chamber do you have going there?




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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #23542746 - 08/15/16 01:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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It's a standard 20 gallon monotub with 6 holes, 4 low, 2 high, each covered with 100% polyester eco-fleece.

It would be interesting to know it was the tub design. The best flush I've ever had, wall-to-wall, just came from tubs of the same exact configuration but with different genetics--AA+. In addition, I have 3 other tubs, all the same design, growing normal looking shrooms, one with a decent pinset.

Nearly all of these deformed ones pinned on the side of the sub and grew up to the top. If due to lack of FAE, could it possibly be because they spent much of their lives stuck between the tub and sub?

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What kind of fruiting chamber do you have going there?







I'm a bit new to indoor grows and a lot of this forum's teks. My main experience comes from oysters grown commercially.
I would heed pasty and TC's advice though - the mushrooms looks as though they have lived a dry life with little to no FAE.


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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: morty422]
    #23544398 - 08/15/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I would heed pasty and TC's advice though - the mushrooms looks as though they have lived a dry life with little to no FAE.




Even these with the weird growth pinned like mad on the sides but very little on top. I suspect it was unclean spawn and some type of contamination preventing decent top pinning. Contamination may also have slowed fruiting and created time for it to become dry.

I am experimenting with FAE but some of my tubs have flushed well and other current ones do seem somewhat happy and normal, all with the same design.

I have been modifying my tubs as they are recycled back into operation though. I've increased the size of all the holes by about 3-4x and now have them double layered with 3M micropore. One of the new ones setup like this is putting on an OK pinset and the one next to it seems to be trying to do the same. I might still have some spawn issues with this one:





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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #23545072 - 08/15/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I would heed pasty and TC's advice though - the mushrooms looks as though they have lived a dry life with little to no FAE.




Even these with the weird growth pinned like mad on the sides but very little on top. I suspect it was unclean spawn and some type of contamination preventing decent top pinning. Contamination may also have slowed fruiting and created time for it to become dry.

I am experimenting with FAE but some of my tubs have flushed well and other current ones do seem somewhat happy and normal, all with the same design.

I have been modifying my tubs as they are recycled back into operation though. I've increased the size of all the holes by about 3-4x and now have them double layered with 3M micropore. One of the new ones setup like this is putting on an OK pinset and the one next to it seems to be trying to do the same. I might still have some spawn issues with this one:








Just out of curiosity, why not roll with polyfil and holesaw style holes? It seems to be a proven method here that everyone has had luck with. There are teks available for you to read that teach you how to dial in said holes as well?

Also, as I said, I'm a bit new to these indoor teks so this might be something I haven't seen quite yet.


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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: morty422]
    #23545540 - 08/15/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Just out of curiosity, why not roll with polyfil and holesaw style holes? It seems to be a proven method here that everyone has had luck with. There are teks available for you to read that teach you how to dial in said holes as well?

Also, as I said, I'm a bit new to these indoor teks so this might be something I haven't seen quite yet.




Just because there are quicker and easier ways to do the same thing. 3M micropore tape is relatively cheap in bulk and it is super fast to slap on and take off--much more so than stuffing polyester and trying to achieve uniformity.

Some of the strains really seem to like the eco-fleece, which is just another form of polyester, but it is a PITA to administer. This is also how I discovered that Gorilla tape is sometimes major overkill--it can be work to peal that stuff off!


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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #23545551 - 08/15/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Just out of curiosity, why not roll with polyfil and holesaw style holes? It seems to be a proven method here that everyone has had luck with. There are teks available for you to read that teach you how to dial in said holes as well?

Also, as I said, I'm a bit new to these indoor teks so this might be something I haven't seen quite yet.




Just because there are quicker and easier ways to do the same thing. 3M micropore tape is relatively cheap in bulk and it is super fast to slap on and take off--much more so than stuffing polyester and trying to achieve uniformity.

Some of the strains really seem to like the eco-fleece, which is just another form of polyester, but it is a PITA to administer. This is also how I discovered that Gorilla tape is sometimes major overkill--it can be work to peal that stuff off!



you can dial in polyfil. you can't dial in tape. tape is a poor replacement for polyfil because you cannot adjust for FAE. lets not gloss over the fact that everyone in this thread has already mentioned your FC seriously lacks in FAE. so I would scrap that design you have ASAP and build a real mono and stop fucking around with tape.

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much more so than stuffing polyester and trying to achieve uniformity




you make it sound like stuffing a hole with stuffing is some sort of complicated maneuver. its definitely not, and its very easy to make it uniform.

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Some of the strains really seem to like the eco-fleece,




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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23545573 - 08/15/16 10:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23545585 - 08/15/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I dial in micropore tape. I will probably do a grow here soon if only to demonstrate.


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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23545588 - 08/15/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23545594 - 08/15/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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all this shit you are saying is :thumbdown: you've been given tons of good info here. time to apply it and move away from this sad, sad grow you have shared with us.




Maybe my advice was too passive. Hehe.
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I dial in micropore tape. I will probably do a grow here soon if only to demonstrate.




Shots fired...

Bahaaha

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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23545629 - 08/15/16 10:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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all this shit you are saying is :thumbdown: you've been given tons of good info here. time to apply it and move away from this sad, sad grow you have shared with us.




I agree, I have been given tons of great info on here.

One of the more revered growers on here has figured out how to dial in tape and has posted serious success using it. Check out Pasty's "Clone test" in mini monos:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23399203

There are several ways to vary FAE with tape...size of the vent, 1 single or multiple layers of tape, and only taping over part of a vent hole--they don't have to be completely closed.

Sure, it's not considered standard, but that doesn't mean it doesn't or can't work. If I continue to have problems I will make adjustments but I've had the greatest success I've ever had yet with my :thumbdown: eco-fleece. Come on, it is just another form of polyester that can be adjusted in various ways too :smile:

Eco-fleece obviously can't work:



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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #23545640 - 08/15/16 10:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I dial in micropore tape. I will probably do a grow here soon if only to demonstrate.



ya sure you can do this kind of shit when you know how to grow, but OP can't even tell what low FAE looks like on his fruits, let alone use that info to dial in tape. so for the beginner, I'm gonna say check the tape at the door.

OP, you seem like the kind of person that has to fuck with shit just because. The rectangular holes, the square holes, the fleece, the tape... I just don't see the point. and to clarify, it wasn't your usage of said fleece, but rather your statement that "Some of the strains really seem to like [it]." Which, I'm sure, is just an anecdotal statement.


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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #23545648 - 08/15/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Hmm...

Are you saying this grow was done with your tape, etc??


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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: morty422]
    #23545658 - 08/15/16 11:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Dude that looks nuts! hahaha


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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: morty422]
    #23545688 - 08/15/16 11:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I've used the thin felt sheets (I think that's what you are talking about) as the bottom holes but as mudafuka does them with three small holes on the bottom instead of two larger ones. that style did work well for me and was easy to hot glue the sheets together then hotglue those patches over the holes. just not sure if the permanent filters would harbor contams.

I like the uniformity on the bottom but really I didn't experience much difference other than me being able to dial in properly and a slight yield gain but that could be due to other factors though I strongly feel that was a major one.



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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: tombosley8]
    #23545696 - 08/15/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

look at you kids and all your new-fangled filtration mechanisms! in my day, we ripped open an old pillow and stuffed that shit in there!



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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23545716 - 08/15/16 11:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

ok grampdon't make me pull this one out again:rockon:
now back on level ground ...
Noobs just stick to the basics until you got things down and then you can veer off to wonderland once your comfortable with the idea of getting the sweet spot with dialing in... All in all the standard monotub is the most beginner and pro friendly method and very tried and true.  just understand it's going to be hard for people to help you adjust your tub other than first changing the style back to the norm which is that for a reason.



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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: morty422]
    #23545773 - 08/15/16 11:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Actually this was before I started playing with the tape. This was with eco-fleece which was purely experimental--I've never heard of anyone else using it. Yes, it is anecdotal but two tubs of the same genetics turned out nearly this good. I posted the best but its twin made on the same day was close.

As pointed out above, I am the kind of person who likes to try different things. I have a lot to learn. When I've never dialed in micropore or polyfil, I fail to see much difference between which I choose to learn if both can work.

I get the sense that some think I'm am resisting or disagreeing. That is not the case. I am not saying that the OP pics do not have FAE problems. But, they are the only two tubs that turned out like that, among many with eco-fleece, neither of them pinned on the top, and I think they were both from contaminated spawn.

I'm sure the FAE was very poor while they were pinning and growing between the sub and the tub--not to mention they took a very long time to grow those fruits up above the sub top--long enough to also dry out significantly. I'm not disagreeing at all, I just think that there were more fundamental/prior problems. I believe if I can clean up my spawn most of my problems will go away.


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Hmm...

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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: tombosley8]
    #23545782 - 08/16/16 12:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Eco-fleece is kind of like the thin felt sheets. It is just thin sheet polyester (or cotton), not as compressed as felt, used for making thin quilts. It is usually right next to or sometimes above the polyfil in big box stores. You have to buy it in yards off of a bolt. I taped mine on instead of installing permanently so it could be replaced each time to prevent harboring contams. It looks a little like the ironed polyfil presented in a tek here.

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I've used the thin felt sheets (I think that's what you are talking about) as the bottom holes but as mudafuka does them with three small holes on the bottom instead of two larger ones. that style did work well for me and was easy to hot glue the sheets together then hotglue those patches over the holes. just not sure if the permanent filters would harbor contams.





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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #23545814 - 08/16/16 12:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #23545857 - 08/16/16 01:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the post!

I almost typed something to defend  my rectangular holes but I'm not really here to argue, test my ego, etc.

I'll enjoy reading this in more detail when I have the time. Clearly, I think the same thing as GreenRabbit, utilizing monotubs boils down to principles and physics. Dialing them in could also mean using them slightly differently for different genetics but I'm not sure how diverse cubie strains are yet--I know they are found in many naturally different climates.

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There's a section on hole shape in here...

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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #23546355 - 08/16/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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There's a section on hole shape in here...

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=21371089&page=0&vc=1#21371089




Hmmm. This thread intrigues me!

I like to be able to view actual data instead of the generic 'cuz I said so' response seen far too often.


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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: morty422]
    #23546874 - 08/16/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I suppose I understand why I got the "cuz I said so" attitude. Uniformity certainly leads to easier diagnosis of problems through elimination of variables.

However, it isn't like there aren't a zillion people on here doing the same thing differently...pf tek, monotubs, Martha's, SGFC's, invitro, open air, and more...and doing them in a ton of different environments, clean to dirty, dry and humid, cool and hot, still to windy...with a fairly wide variety of genetics. Nailing down variables is actually quite difficult without creating a highly controlled situation.

I like playing around with things and so far I've had my best personal success ever through my eco-fleece experiment.

My one tub fruiting with micropore looks like it is going to be on par or very near. I'm stoked on the pinset. Also, I have 3 more just like it with scads of knots. Time will tell.

I still think my biggest difficulty is spawn cleanliness. Once I work this end out I doubt I will have many problems.

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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
    #23546927 - 08/16/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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However, it isn't like there aren't a zillion people on here doing the same thing differently...pf tek, monotubs, Martha's, SGFC's, invitro, open air, and more...and doing them in a ton of different environments, clean to dirty, dry and humid, cool and hot, still to windy...with a fairly wide variety of genetics. Nailing down variables is actually quite difficult without creating a highly controlled situation.




That's actually exactly what happens here... Ppl come up with all kinds of crazy ways to deviate from teks... and on top of that we have growers all over the world contributing.

Let's not forget that the common FCs were troubleshooted by actual real mycologists before they ever were published to the public. You can rediscover all you want, but you won't find any revelations that weren't already uncovered by the likes of RR or others. I'm sure they understood "variables."


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