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tombosley8
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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: morty422]
#23545688 - 08/15/16 11:15 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've used the thin felt sheets (I think that's what you are talking about) as the bottom holes but as mudafuka does them with three small holes on the bottom instead of two larger ones . that style did work well for me and was easy to hot glue the sheets together then hotglue those patches over the holes. just not sure if the permanent filters would harbor contams.
I like the uniformity on the bottom but really I didn't experience much difference other than me being able to dial in properly and a slight yield gain but that could be due to other factors though I strongly feel that was a major one.
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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: tombosley8]
#23545696 - 08/15/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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look at you kids and all your new-fangled filtration mechanisms! in my day, we ripped open an old pillow and stuffed that shit in there!
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tombosley8
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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: Munchauzen]
#23545716 - 08/15/16 11:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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ok grampdon't make me pull this one out again   now back on level ground ... Noobs just stick to the basics until you got things down and then you can veer off to wonderland once your comfortable with the idea of getting the sweet spot with dialing in... All in all the standard monotub is the most beginner and pro friendly method and very tried and true. just understand it's going to be hard for people to help you adjust your tub other than first changing the style back to the norm which is that for a reason.
Edited by tombosley8 (08/15/16 11:35 PM)
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PutACapInHisAss
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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: morty422]
#23545773 - 08/15/16 11:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Actually this was before I started playing with the tape. This was with eco-fleece which was purely experimental--I've never heard of anyone else using it. Yes, it is anecdotal but two tubs of the same genetics turned out nearly this good. I posted the best but its twin made on the same day was close.
As pointed out above, I am the kind of person who likes to try different things. I have a lot to learn. When I've never dialed in micropore or polyfil, I fail to see much difference between which I choose to learn if both can work.
I get the sense that some think I'm am resisting or disagreeing. That is not the case. I am not saying that the OP pics do not have FAE problems. But, they are the only two tubs that turned out like that, among many with eco-fleece, neither of them pinned on the top, and I think they were both from contaminated spawn.
I'm sure the FAE was very poor while they were pinning and growing between the sub and the tub--not to mention they took a very long time to grow those fruits up above the sub top--long enough to also dry out significantly. I'm not disagreeing at all, I just think that there were more fundamental/prior problems. I believe if I can clean up my spawn most of my problems will go away.
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Hmm...
Are you saying this grow was done with your tape, etc??
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PutACapInHisAss
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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: tombosley8]
#23545782 - 08/16/16 12:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Eco-fleece is kind of like the thin felt sheets. It is just thin sheet polyester (or cotton), not as compressed as felt, used for making thin quilts. It is usually right next to or sometimes above the polyfil in big box stores. You have to buy it in yards off of a bolt. I taped mine on instead of installing permanently so it could be replaced each time to prevent harboring contams. It looks a little like the ironed polyfil presented in a tek here.
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tombosley8 said: I've used the thin felt sheets (I think that's what you are talking about) as the bottom holes but as mudafuka does them with three small holes on the bottom instead of two larger ones . that style did work well for me and was easy to hot glue the sheets together then hotglue those patches over the holes. just not sure if the permanent filters would harbor contams.
Edited by PutACapInHisAss (08/16/16 12:16 AM)
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LocN9ne
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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
#23545814 - 08/16/16 12:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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PutACapInHisAss
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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: LocN9ne]
#23545857 - 08/16/16 01:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for the post!
I almost typed something to defend my rectangular holes but I'm not really here to argue, test my ego, etc.
I'll enjoy reading this in more detail when I have the time. Clearly, I think the same thing as GreenRabbit, utilizing monotubs boils down to principles and physics. Dialing them in could also mean using them slightly differently for different genetics but I'm not sure how diverse cubie strains are yet--I know they are found in many naturally different climates.
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LocN9ne said: There's a section on hole shape in here...
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=21371089&page=0&vc=1#21371089
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morty422
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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: LocN9ne]
#23546355 - 08/16/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said: There's a section on hole shape in here...
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=21371089&page=0&vc=1#21371089
Hmmm. This thread intrigues me!
I like to be able to view actual data instead of the generic 'cuz I said so' response seen far too often.
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PutACapInHisAss
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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: morty422]
#23546874 - 08/16/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I suppose I understand why I got the "cuz I said so" attitude. Uniformity certainly leads to easier diagnosis of problems through elimination of variables.
However, it isn't like there aren't a zillion people on here doing the same thing differently...pf tek, monotubs, Martha's, SGFC's, invitro, open air, and more...and doing them in a ton of different environments, clean to dirty, dry and humid, cool and hot, still to windy...with a fairly wide variety of genetics. Nailing down variables is actually quite difficult without creating a highly controlled situation.
I like playing around with things and so far I've had my best personal success ever through my eco-fleece experiment.
My one tub fruiting with micropore looks like it is going to be on par or very near. I'm stoked on the pinset. Also, I have 3 more just like it with scads of knots. Time will tell.
I still think my biggest difficulty is spawn cleanliness. Once I work this end out I doubt I will have many problems.
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morty422 said: I like to be able to view actual data instead of the generic 'cuz I said so' response seen far too often.
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Re: What Deformity Did I Grow (With Pics)? Does It Belong In Contamination? [Re: PutACapInHisAss]
#23546927 - 08/16/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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PutACapInHisAss said: However, it isn't like there aren't a zillion people on here doing the same thing differently...pf tek, monotubs, Martha's, SGFC's, invitro, open air, and more...and doing them in a ton of different environments, clean to dirty, dry and humid, cool and hot, still to windy...with a fairly wide variety of genetics. Nailing down variables is actually quite difficult without creating a highly controlled situation.
That's actually exactly what happens here... Ppl come up with all kinds of crazy ways to deviate from teks... and on top of that we have growers all over the world contributing.
Let's not forget that the common FCs were troubleshooted by actual real mycologists before they ever were published to the public. You can rediscover all you want, but you won't find any revelations that weren't already uncovered by the likes of RR or others. I'm sure they understood "variables."
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