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Entirely unexpected experience with salvia.
    #23542351 - 08/14/16 10:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I got some 10x salvia from arenaethnobotanicals the other day, and tried it out (my first time), my best friend acting as sitter. I was worried about taking hard enough hits, so I made a gravity bong to smoke it with. I wound up doing three hits, maybe a pinch and a half each. The first was almost weed-like; I was happy, giggly, and movement felt oddly abrupt, as weed does to me. I waited a minute and decided I needed more. The second hit intensified the feeling, and I got impatient and did the third shortly after.

Half a minute laying down and reality disintegrated. I had been expecting CEVs, maybe some OEVs, but I saw nothing but cloudy gray. Everything was impressions and feelings. I didn't exist. The world didn't exist. Nothing existed. It wasn't ego-death, it wasn't otherworldy. It was just an oppressive nothingness.

I panicked, and after struggling against the surge of feelings demanding I stay still and get over the fact that nothing mattered and nothing actually existed, I jumped up, scaring the shit out of my sitter (he has even less experience with drugs than I do, but I trust him to do what needs to be done). He tried to get me to lay back down, but that was the most terrifying thing to me right then, so I more or less shoved him aside to hug my TV. That marked the beginning of the come-down. It was hard, and rough. Solid. Real. I told my sitter I needed to go outside. I'm surprised I was that coherent, but I also managed to open my door, run through the living room, put my shoes on, and leave the house.

I waited outside for what felt like ten minutes for him to get his boots on and come out. I ran to my car, grabbed my cigarettes, and lit one up. That was real, too! I sat on the grass. Real. After a few really hard drags I realized my heart was racing and I could barely breathe. Reality had returned, but apparently I was having a panic attack. I handed the cig off to my sitter, let him smoke a bit while I was trying to calm down. After he was done, we went back inside and I spent half an hour to an hour laying down, trying to fall asleep. I started calming down a hell of a lot faster then.

This whole thing left me confused as to what I'd experienced. I've read a lot of reports but never saw anything like the total nothingness. Was my initial panic a version of The Fear? I'd like your opinions. I want to try again, especially since such a "bad" feeling trip has made me appreciate life and existence for the first time in years.


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Re: Entirely unexpected experience with salvia. [Re: Riku Aotsuki]
    #23542879 - 08/15/16 03:49 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

awesome experience as terrifying that can be, thanks for sharing. That just shows you how unique Salvia is. It can create that kind of trip where there is nothing or there is only a chair and you are the chair and nothing else; from being an object to immaterial existence and everything in between...My advice would be to start lower maybe 5x or plain leaf even and always measure the dose so you know where you get with how much. Salvinorin A is active at doses as small as 200μg. As far as the fear goes, I would say that is normal. You go from being you an organism, to immaterial existence in what 30-45-60 seconds... you go from form to emptiness in the blink of an eye. Panics attacks are nasty, I experienced them too, not with Salvia but I know how nasty they are.


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Re: Entirely unexpected experience with salvia. [Re: amonra]
    #23542941 - 08/15/16 05:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Haha, my first salvia trip scared the crap out of me too.
I was alone and it was 20x. I remember it coming on before I had time to put the bong back on the table and it felt like my brain was turning into plastic. I was feeling prickly all over and was sweating profusely. Then these high pitched voices started laughing at me and talking in unison. Their smiling/laughing faces protruded out of the side of some cups and bottles that were on my table. They were cartoon-like but 3 dimensional.
I was being pulled down/left into my sofa, but somehow managed to jump up in a state of shock and panic. High pitched voices still laughing and chanting, "Hehehehehee, he's all alone, he's all alone" etc.
I remembered that it only lasts 10 minutes, which helped me chill out a bit, and was able to sit/lie back down and close my eyes.
It was a large dark hall and I was a contestant on some TV gameshow which existed in a parallel universe, and this life was the game. In this black room was just me lay on a bed, the host and the audience. I had woken up from the game momentarily and could hear the audience whispering and getting exited. Then I started coming back down to "reality" so not much else happened after that.
I just remember feeling really grateful to be alive and have a sane and sober consciousness.
Over the next few months I smoked it another 10 times or so, either with friends or alone, and none of those times were as alarming as the first. Not had any for about 7/8 years though and would like to get a plant so I can try it the traditional way. I heard a rumour that Salvia doesn't like being smoked.


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Re: Entirely unexpected experience with salvia. [Re: Psilocypher]
    #23543044 - 08/15/16 06:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Sally like to be smoked on it's own way from my experience.

First of all, things gonna get intense faster than you imagine so keep that in mind,
When smoked you should use a torch lighter to get the most out of ot.. Let it burn.
Keep the smoke in your lungs until you really can't stand it anymore.
And enjoy the ride, just let go.

Also keep in mind that opening your eyes and mouth is a good idea with Sally,
And that most of the people has "unenjoyable" trips with it mostly for first time users.

I also heard and can say for myself that though scientifically not a fact but salvironin A has a reverse tolerancy, and on a month when I did it seven times I can tell you that maybe as a placebo because of what I've heard I needed less and less to get to the same state.

Awesome report man! Keep writing.

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Re: Entirely unexpected experience with salvia. [Re: Psilocypher]
    #23546676 - 08/16/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Haha, my first salvia trip scared the crap out of me too.
I was alone and it was 20x. I remember it coming on before I had time to put the bong back on the table and it felt like my brain was turning into plastic. I was feeling prickly all over and was sweating profusely. Then these high pitched voices started laughing at me and talking in unison. Their smiling/laughing faces protruded out of the side of some cups and bottles that were on my table. They were cartoon-like but 3 dimensional.
I was being pulled down/left into my sofa, but somehow managed to jump up in a state of shock and panic. High pitched voices still laughing and chanting, "Hehehehehee, he's all alone, he's all alone" etc.
I remembered that it only lasts 10 minutes, which helped me chill out a bit, and was able to sit/lie back down and close my eyes.
It was a large dark hall and I was a contestant on some TV gameshow which existed in a parallel universe, and this life was the game. In this black room was just me lay on a bed, the host and the audience. I had woken up from the game momentarily and could hear the audience whispering and getting exited. Then I started coming back down to "reality" so not much else happened after that.
I just remember feeling really grateful to be alive and have a sane and sober consciousness.
Over the next few months I smoked it another 10 times or so, either with friends or alone, and none of those times were as alarming as the first. Not had any for about 7/8 years though and would like to get a plant so I can try it the traditional way. I heard a rumour that Salvia doesn't like being smoked.




What do you think would happen if you microdosed the stuff?


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Re: Entirely unexpected experience with salvia. [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23547985 - 08/16/16 07:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

you did too much for your first time, thats why it was so scary. many salvia users, myself included, made the same mistake. it gets easier with more experience.


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Re: Entirely unexpected experience with salvia. [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23548001 - 08/16/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Thatt shit freaks me out. I only hear of people freaking out on that shit


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Re: Entirely unexpected experience with salvia. [Re: fungi-funguy]
    #23548070 - 08/16/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I was dragged through an interdimensional black hole by and evil kaleidoscopic da jin. Never again. Not for me.


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Re: Entirely unexpected experience with salvia. [Re: fungi-funguy]
    #23548231 - 08/16/16 09:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Thatt shit freaks me out. I only hear of people freaking out on that shit




Ive had good trips also, real beautiful trips, the key for me has been to work my way up gradually. I admit I am still terrified of high doses, but I would be scared to eat a real high dose of shrooms also.


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Re: Entirely unexpected experience with salvia. [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23548427 - 08/16/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So how does salvia differ from shrooms? Like its chemical properties and how it is extracted or whatever. Its just that I usually only feel comfortable with "natural" things like shrooms and bud.


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Re: Entirely unexpected experience with salvia. [Re: fungi-funguy]
    #23549068 - 08/17/16 05:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It is natural. It's a plant. Just smoke plain leaf instead of extracts and concentrates and you should be good. The traditional way of chewing on 20 fresh leaves for 30 minutes is supposed to be the most pleasant way of experiencing this plant.


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Re: Entirely unexpected experience with salvia. [Re: fungi-funguy]
    #23549084 - 08/17/16 05:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Thatt shit freaks me out. I only hear of people freaking out on that shit




It only tends to be the first time, and that is mainly because it's impossible to prepare for what Salvia has in store. Well maybe not impossible but I certainly wasn't expecting it to be capable of morphing reality into whatever it wanted. I was expecting somewhere inbetween weed and mushrooms. I had no idea it could do what it does, and there's no way to describe that to someone in words. Once you know what's coming it isn't too bad. I remember laughing uncontrollably on more than one occasion.
Most freakouts are probably from smoking strong extracts, so if you're concerned about that just start with 5x or plain leaf.


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Re: Entirely unexpected experience with salvia. [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23549093 - 08/17/16 06:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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What do you think would happen if you microdosed the stuff?




I'm not sure. Look it up. It would depend on what strength Salvia you have and the method of ingestion, how hot your flame is etc.


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Re: Entirely unexpected experience with salvia. [Re: Riku Aotsuki]
    #23549292 - 08/17/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

My first Salvia trip I did 20x and was told it was like weed so my breakthrough was pretty unexpected too haha. I loaded a full bowl of it in my bubbler and took the whole thing in one rip. Held it in for about 10 seconds, and as soon as I exhaled instantly felt it. Started off as a weird body high that I felt mostly in my face, which lasted about three seconds. Then everything went black and I fell on the floor.

At that point I had the sensation that my body was covered in fire, but it wasn't painful at all for some reason. The sensation then changed to were it felt like I had a bunch of very powerful large rectangular magnets all over my body trying to magnetize themselves to everything around me while also trying to push me away from everything at the same time. Worst feeling ever honestly.

After a little bit of that it went away and my vision came back to me, but I wasn't in my apartment anymore. It was a room in the shape of my apartment, but it was empty and the walls, ceiling, and floor were no longer there. Replacing my walls, ceiling, and floor was this this transparent energy that looked just like water. It was vibrating and had these rectangles floating through it that had lots of colors flowing through them ( similar to the sort of colors you see in bubbles when you blow them and the sun reflects off them).

I realized at that point they were the same rectangles I felt magnetizing my body. Not sure how, but I just knew. Beyond my empty transparent energy apartment was nothingness, as far as the eye could see in every direction and it was grey, like the grey of fog. After a little bit of taking in my surroundings I noticed something coming out of my chest. It was this cylinder of the same sort of energy the walls were made of, it was vibrating out of my chest and the flow of energy was spinning in an infinity shape at the end. There were also these thin streams of very bright colors red, blue, green etc. floating up into the infinity symbol and back into my chest.

After about maybe 20 seconds of looking at it I got thrown back into reality. It was really intense and the part where I was in the blackness was pretty horrible, but I don't remember ever really feeling any fear. For some reason I just got really angry and ended up getting pissed off and being a dick to my friend for no reason haha. I was also extremely confused at what I had seen, I got this feeling i'd learned something really big, but it happened so fast that I really couldn't figure out what it was.

This is the part that confuses me the most. A few weeks later II was doing some acid with a new friend and he wanted to show me this really weird movie called Donnie Darko. I had never seen it before and it sounded interesting so I thought it'd be cool to experience it for the first time tripping. We were watching it for awhile and it was pretty cool so far, but then this part comes on that completely blows my mind. Donnies family is going about their normal activities, but there's this cylinder of water like energy coming out of their chest almost like leading them where they're going to go.

It was the same exact cylinder that was coming out of my chest in my salvia trip just without the end infinity symbol coming out of the ends of them and mine had brighter colors floating through it. I still don't completely understand what it is they're meant for exactly, but if I remember right in the movie they were basically like the invisible cords of fate that everyone has. They can also be used to travel through time if you can find a portal to put them through, and if you can somehow manage to be able to see them than you'll be able to change your fate or something like that.

I don't know if I actually believe those things are possible, but I still thought it was pretty crazy that I saw these things in a Salvia trip weeks before I had ever even heard of the movie. And I don't see how it could just be a coincidence, because besides in my trip and in that movie I have never seen them or heard them talked about anywhere else. It's weird haha.


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Re: Entirely unexpected experience with salvia. [Re: UniverseOfTheMind8]
    #23549316 - 08/17/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ever since then i've really wanted to delve back in, maybe take some oral salvia so it lasts longer and I can learn more, but I don't really feel as if i've been in the right state of mind for something that intense.


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Re: Entirely unexpected experience with salvia. [Re: UniverseOfTheMind8]
    #23554819 - 08/18/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I'll admit that I probably dosed a bit high. I DID wait a minute or two between doses... Or maybe time was already dilating after the second and I should have left it at that XD


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Re: Entirely unexpected experience with salvia. [Re: Riku Aotsuki]
    #23554858 - 08/18/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I have some extract and also a live plant, i intend to try smoking some in the near future. Reports from salvia are so varied, i kinda accept i cant really plan for it, just try start low and see where she takes me :shrug:

Cool report though :thumbup: seems like the first time is the worst.


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Re: Entirely unexpected experience with salvia. [Re: Spellbound]
    #23555385 - 08/18/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

salvia is one of my favs but i respect its power. SIT STILL. its great and all to walk around until that spiral hits and who knows where you go.

I took a MASSIVE saliva hit once and blasted child in time by purple while lying on the floor. I wanted to move. I wanted to get up and escape but you cant do that. When i came down the song was still blasting but i couldnt hear it in a way. i was the sound wave. i didnt need to hear it.


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Re: Entirely unexpected experience with salvia. [Re: mushboy]
    #23555671 - 08/19/16 12:42 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Music on Salvia gets a little to out of hand imo, it's not like DMT where it kind've sooths and enhances your trip. In my experience it almost tears existence and repeats the experience over and over again if that makes sense.


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Re: Entirely unexpected experience with salvia. [Re: mushboy]
    #23556309 - 08/19/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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salvia is one of my favs but i respect its power. SIT STILL. its great and all to walk around until that spiral hits and who knows where you go.

I took a MASSIVE saliva hit once and blasted child in time by purple while lying on the floor. I wanted to move. I wanted to get up and escape but you cant do that. When i came down the song was still blasting but i couldnt hear it in a way. i was the sound wave. i didnt need to hear it.




maybe the music is a little out of hand on salvia but I disagree overall.... The music experience is however unique as you enter a space where body, mind and music they all fuse into one ,  where you are the sound wave:)  to me Salvia makes music sound godly... :smile:


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