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Probation tips
    #23542129 - 08/14/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

got any?

Got to meet with a PO soon. I've been on medication and I don't know if they're going to want updates from my psych doctor with my appts. as I don't want to take the meds I'm on because they're notorious for false-positives on urine screens. I know false positives are sent for GC/MS confirmation, but I don't want to risk it.

I don't even know if I can use anything outside of nitrous. LSD is too much of an issue even though it's testable for 5 days, because of all the RCs out there. One copycat amphetamine and I'm in jail.

Mushrooms have a metabolite that sticks around for several weeks according to Erowid. Alcohol stays up to 120 hours in urine, and if they do GC/MS it might even be longer than that with a no-tolerance policy.

I'm not a huge drug user anymore, just had thoughts of some mushrooms here and there. It's a 2 year long process, it's very hard to think of nothing for 2 years. I already had a scare with some of the harder stuff so there's no chance in hell for me to try that.

Wow it's been basically a drug rant, that's not all I'm really writing this for, let me get back on topic.

So should I ask questions about how the random drug tests work? IE will I get called from work, how much time to report for it, do I pay (not asking what they test for obviously)

Should I appear drug dumb and just be respectable?

I assume they charge for drug tests so I really don't want them overtesting me and I'm sure they could give a shit since I'll be paying.

I already plan to stay out of trouble to the best of my ability. Going the limit, no drugs in car etc.

If I've been going to NA meetings, will they make me continue to go? I really only did it up til sentencing but I don't have a desire to go. Feels cultish. I know it helps people, but it's just not for me. I see no issue with psychedelics TBH, when used respectfully and with conscious intent.

Even the founder Bill W used LSD for spiritual purposes and was told not to and kind of talked down to because of this.

Anyway tl;dr best way to live through probation?


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Re: Probation tips [Re: Angel_Above]
    #23542135 - 08/14/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

just plan on being sober 2 years really is not a long time. compare it to what you have on the line.

your tests will all depend on your probation officer, their office and case load, and how you come across.

wishing you the best of luck.


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Re: Probation tips [Re: Angel_Above]
    #23542149 - 08/14/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Angel_Above said:
got any?

Got to meet with a PO soon. I've been on medication and I don't know if they're going to want updates from my psych doctor with my appts. as I don't want to take the meds I'm on because they're notorious for false-positives on urine screens. I know false positives are sent for GC/MS confirmation, but I don't want to risk it.





if you are prescribed the meds, then any reasonable PO would understand the inherent possibility of a specific or group false positive and should be willing to work with you (verification that you ARE indeed taking your meds); maybe they would even be willing to send the sample off for specific testing.  the standard pee-cup tests are fairly basic and don't have much room for detail. 


probation tips?  do what you're supposed to per the conditions of your probate.




i gotta go see mine tomorrow.  but i'm on the up and up, and she's just doing what she has to do to cover her ass, as well.  i've been really fortunate because 1) i'm a low-priority offender, 2) i did all of and beyond my hours/other requirements within the first 12 weeks of being on, and 3) i've not had a dirty piss/swab test thus far, and 4) there are a shitton of violent offenders and hard drug users on probation in this jurisdiction that ACTUALLY need someone watching them 24/7



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Re: Probation tips [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #23542158 - 08/14/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I just feel it's easy to say from an outside perspective, although I get the whole "do the crime pay the time" adage. Still though, I have issues beyond just the opportunistic wanting-to-voyage feelings.

Thanks for that though. I might end up doing the sobriety thing, it's just hard. It's not as if I'm a daily user of anything, but I guess I could afford to find other ways to have fun and expand my friendships. Most friends enjoy getting loaded on the weekends.

My other friend is VERY into me and it's just not the case for me. I need new friends lol.

You ever go through it?


Demi - I could get a head-start on some of the stuff I suppose. I guess I don't know if an in-patient rehab stint between the arrest/sentencing would matter for the classes I have to take or not. My social worker who set up the meeting (at the end of this month) said because of rehab I shouldn't start anything yet until I meet my PO

What is yours for if you care to share, or pm? Did you remain stone-cold sober?

So my dream of having a random nitrous field day with some mushrooms if I know I won't be tested for a bit is outta the question?

I just don't wanna pay for my meds and they haven't been doing much lol. I've weaned down to nil and the past 2 days started without em. Guess I could keep them around and say I stashed em or something.


Edited by Angel_Above (08/14/16 08:49 PM)


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Re: Probation tips [Re: Angel_Above]
    #23542165 - 08/14/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Stay sober, don't fuck up. It just gets exponentially harder when you get caught using (and don't kid yourself, you're gonna get caught).

I was there btw, that's not looking from the outside in.


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Re: Probation tips [Re: Angel_Above]
    #23542188 - 08/14/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The best thing to do might be to continue with the white lie, but the truth is that I have never heard of mushrooms having a metabolite that stays around in your urine for a few weeks. 

From what I'm aware, most probation drug tests use a 5-class testing system that basically tests for marijuana, cocaine, PCP, opiates, barbiturates and amphetamines (somehow I listed 6, yet I said it was a 5-class system.) :sad:

Anyways I don't remember all the details but I dealt with this kind of thing a few years ago, and I also had a friend who went through a probation of his own, and I believe that he did mushrooms many times while on probation without ever failing a drug test.

With that said, it's still best by far simply not to use drugs until probation's over..


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Re: Probation tips [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23542224 - 08/14/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Since they're making me pay (I've talked to people who have said it's about $50 they charge) it might even be a 12-13 panel. positive must be explainable and then can go to GC/MS for confirmation, though I'm sure they would only look into the breakdown components of chemically similar-to-the-positive structures. Like if it were amphetamines or coke then all the relatable ones.

I got the info from Erowid https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_testing.shtml
"In the high dose study of rats, all but 6 pecent of the psilocybin was excreted within twenty-four hours. In humans, only 80-85% of psilocybin and its metabolites is excerted within 8 hours, in the urine (about 65%), bile and feces (15-20%). Some 15-20% olingers on, stored in fatty tissues; significant quantitites appear in urine up to a week later. A full 25% of the originally administered dose enters urine as psilocin."


I did a DUI eval test that costed me about 300 buck outta pocket. They put the cup in a sealed back to be sent somewhere I'm sure, I don't know about the dipstick method even though it's cheaper. I just gotta make sure I CAN piss because a hair test goes back 90 days. 90 days before now I'm not clean.

nitrous doesn't seem like it's even possible to test for, though alone it's a pretty boring adventure. Booze just seems silly with a 120 hour window, and all other drugs may be 1-3 days, but metabolites linger for longer. Just started learning about metabolites.


Early metabolic studies suggested that psilocin only undergoes oxidative metabolism via a presumed intermediate metabolite, 4-hydroxyindole-3-acetaldehyde, to yield 4-hydroxyindole-3-acetic acid and 4-hydroxytryptophole (Holzmann, 1995; Hasler et al., 1997). However, later pharmacokinetic and forensic studies provided evidence that psilocin is mostly eliminated by conjugative metabolism as psilocin glucuronide (Sticht and Käferstein, 2000; Grieshaber et al., 2001). It was found that addition of β-glucuronidase to the detection assays for psilocin in body fluids yielded additional psilocin, presumably released from psilocin glucuronide (Hasler et al., 2002; Kamata et al., 2003). Moreover, direct analysis by liquid chromatography-mass spectrometry (LC-MS) of serum samples 5 h after mushroom intoxication showed that up to 80% of the psilocin was present as the glucuronide conjugate (Kamata et al., 2006).

That's from some NHI journal entry. It just sucks, I have a show I am going to after my meeting with my PO and I wanted to at least eat some mushies. I already have them.

Gah, shows sober are cool but my posse will be on stuff. Guess I can DD lol.


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Re: Probation tips [Re: Angel_Above]
    #23542262 - 08/14/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I just feel it's easy to say from an outside perspective, although I get the whole "do the crime pay the time" adage. Still though, I have issues beyond just the opportunistic wanting-to-voyage feelings.

Thanks for that though. I might end up doing the sobriety thing, it's just hard. It's not as if I'm a daily user of anything, but I guess I could afford to find other ways to have fun and expand my friendships. Most friends enjoy getting loaded on the weekends.

My other friend is VERY into me and it's just not the case for me. I need new friends lol.

You ever go through it?


Demi - I could get a head-start on some of the stuff I suppose. I guess I don't know if an in-patient rehab stint between the arrest/sentencing would matter for the classes I have to take or not. My social worker who set up the meeting (at the end of this month) said because of rehab I shouldn't start anything yet until I meet my PO

What is yours for if you care to share, or pm? Did you remain stone-cold sober?

So my dream of having a random nitrous field day with some mushrooms if I know I won't be tested for a bit is outta the question?

I just don't wanna pay for my meds and they haven't been doing much lol. I've weaned down to nil and the past 2 days started without em. Guess I could keep them around and say I stashed em or something.






cannabis.


i was using quite a bit the first year or so of probation.  they weren't testing me.  i had even had my check-ins spaced to every six months, from once per month originally, before a round of local funding kicked in this past spring; and they decided to hire a bunch of new PO's and make EVERYONE check-in regularly.  In retrospect, it was pretty shitty smoking for two+ months, then being sober for the few weeks right before checking-in just in case they'd random me.  i was causing myself a lot of emotional stress, which turned into physical stress, for nothing worthwhile.  i finally transitioned to full-blown sobriety and am tolerable of it.  while it sucks being told what to do and being treated like you're back in high school living with the 'rents, it's what you (we all) brought upon yourself (ourselves) in one way or another.


if it weren't for the county/state that i was initially arrested in, i'd still be able to have a medical marijuana card and use/grow.  however, the originating jurisdiction are a bunch of fuckwads, despite state supreme court laws being handed down preventing them from restricting use; and my jurisdiction has to follow their rules, on paper. 




i'm not telling you not to use.  there are safe-ways if you know your body's metabolism or if you want to spend money buying home piss tests and risking your PO showing up at your place and finding them (doesn't look good if you have your own tests, ya dig?).  but you asked for tips.  the safest way to play it is to stay clean.

know the ins and outs of your probate.  if you have roommates, make sure their actions/possessions can't get you in trouble. 

as far as your friends go, it'll be hard to not indulge if you're around them indulging.  and you can't really ask them not to use when you're around (you can, but kind of a dick-move).  avoid those situations if at all possible.  hang out with them in non-drug related manners.


get your hours done asap.  if you have to do 5 hours/week, do 10-14.  if you have to do 8 hours/week, do 16-20 if possible. 

do everything in your power to show that you are a good, upstanding citizen that cares about and contributes to your community.


luckily for me, i already do other forms of community service, outside the limited scope of activities needed to fulfill my hours, and have been for years.  that helps my case.  i also had quite a few letters of character reference from friends.  i have a full-time job and do legit side-work.  i pay taxes and have done so for many years.

don't give them any reason to doubt you.  they deal with lying, slimy-squirming shitbags all day long and will be able to see through you almost instantly.




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Angel_Above said:
Since they're making me pay (I've talked to people who have said it's about $50 they charge) it might even be a 12-13 panel. positive must be explainable and then can go to GC/MS for confirmation, though I'm sure they would only look into the breakdown components of chemically similar-to-the-positive structures. Like if it were amphetamines or coke then all the relatable ones.





do you  have health insurance?  if so, see if your plan covers drug tests or at least a portion of the cost.  $50 sounds ridiculous.  shouldn't be more than $5-10 unless they are sending it to an independent lab


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Re: Probation tips [Re: demiu5]
    #23542265 - 08/14/16 09:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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    #23542275 - 08/14/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

also, if you know you are dirty, don't EVER sign a statement of guilt (sometimes have other names).  make them prove that you are dirty, because the tests are wrong [often enough it's worth the gamble]



that being said, again, just stay clean


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Re: Probation tips [Re: MkUltra117]
    #23542276 - 08/14/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

dont do drugs, or get into trouble. do what your P.O. tells you to do. maybe pick up a hobby to keep you busy outside of work.


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    #23542280 - 08/14/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I just got off a year of probation. Got caught 3 times using, 3rd time they violated me. Somehow they just let me go when i went for my sentencing. I really wish i would have just complied and not drank or smoked or popped a pill here and there while on probation, it turns you into a nervous wreck.

Its no fun going to piss test and jnsure if you are clean. Then getting a phone call a few days later to have it lab tested, then you gotta fess up to your PO and hopefully they are understanding.

Dont try and beat the system. You cant. Do what they ask, and before you know it, itll be over.


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    #23542282 - 08/14/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Probation tips [Re: demiu5]
    #23542291 - 08/14/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Appreciate all the words! And to everyone else who replied, thanks very much.

I heard the PO can make house calls/check ins. I don't think it's a problem. With regard to my depression, I stopped attending university and was a bad drug user for a long time. I got in my fair share of trouble. This was sort of a God-send as it did force me to at the bare minimum use responsibly.

I'm already going to the show there's no going around it, I've gone sober to shows before alone so maybe it could still be a good time. I have no car, very little money due to past habits, and live at home with the rents. It's sort of a sad reality but I'm doing my best to be better. I suppose with my higher than normal anxiety, it's best to just call it quits for the time being.

Besides a random trip here or there, I plan not to use anything else. That being said, I don't think a home test would be a problem lol. Can't find OTC drug tests for DMT or mushrooms or acid as far as I know, and I'd be more concerned my parents found them.

My ISSUE with the hours and stuff is my social worker told me not to worry about getting the alcohol classes done ASAP until I meet with my PO to see if I have to complete the 100% of the class hours and continuing treatment or if rehab helps any. I meet in 2 weeks so I suppose I can try to manage a few classes in between, calling tomorrow.

I also have no vehicle. I'm lucky to be alive, have a full time job, and even though living at home sucks being at my age, it's better than the streets. My family makes it easier to not use because they know of my predicament.


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Re: Probation tips [Re: Angel_Above]
    #23542292 - 08/14/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Angel_Above said:
I just feel it's easy to say from an outside perspective, although I get the whole "do the crime pay the time" adage. Still though, I have issues beyond just the opportunistic wanting-to-voyage feelings.

Thanks for that though. I might end up doing the sobriety thing, it's just hard. It's not as if I'm a daily user of anything, but I guess I could afford to find other ways to have fun and expand my friendships. Most friends enjoy getting loaded on the weekends.

My other friend is VERY into me and it's just not the case for me. I need new friends lol.

You ever go through it?


Demi - I could get a head-start on some of the stuff I suppose. I guess I don't know if an in-patient rehab stint between the arrest/sentencing would matter for the classes I have to take or not. My social worker who set up the meeting (at the end of this month) said because of rehab I shouldn't start anything yet until I meet my PO

What is yours for if you care to share, or pm? Did you remain stone-cold sober?

So my dream of having a random nitrous field day with some mushrooms if I know I won't be tested for a bit is outta the question?

I just don't wanna pay for my meds and they haven't been doing much lol. I've weaned down to nil and the past 2 days started without em. Guess I could keep them around and say I stashed em or something.



i went a year without anything... it sucked but i was up against 7 years so as you can imagine it was worth it. i had another 4 years of paper after that but i was across the country and only had to send a letter. i also had people who would have given me clean pee if i had to test again. honestly once i paid off my fines right with the end of the first year of testing they didn't give too shits about me, i was paid up and out of their hair.

it sucks but yes you need friends that won't put you in a difficult situation.


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Re: Probation tips [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #23542298 - 08/14/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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kava kava , lsd, mushrooms, kratom



LSD has a metabolite testable for at least 5 days though. Knowing that LSD/mushroom metabolites require an extra-special test (something blocking light from coming in) could help, but if for some reason I forgot to tell them I took an aleve 4 days ago and it's positive for something can't they "spin the reel" meaning test for ANY possible active/inactive metabolite pretty inexpensively through GC/MS?

This is court ordered we are talking here, not some job thing. I'm just wondering what makes you think it's ok for mushrooms (LSD is out because I can't prove anything is LSD and I'm not ordering 4 test kits to prove a hit is a hit for a few uses. Mushrooms seem safer n I already got em, it's the fatty-tissue distribution that's concerning to me.


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    #23542365 - 08/14/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

tests for lsd cost like 100 bucks er somethin' and are very uncommon


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    #23542518 - 08/14/16 11:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If I were in your shoes - I would have a "real" backup plan, if you think its going to be a problem being sober. Buy one of the Whizzinator's - it's a fake dick/underwear thing (like a 3" flacid realistic looking dick, in whatever color closest matches your skin color) and just keep that available. It comes with a powdered urine that you add water to, and a heating element - so when you piss, its real piss, thats clean (drug free), and the right temp (they have a range gauge on the cups usually).

Alternatively, if your supposed to take certain meds, clean out long enough to get a sample that has no illegal drugs, and just what you actually take - and freeze it, then use it when you need to - in the whizzinator if you screw up and make a mistake. You can thaw it out in warm water quickly (I'd assume you'd use a bottle to freeze in, but whatev's) - but dont microwave it. To get the liquid out, you squeeze the whizzinator a little. The UA collector may not even watch you, but its a lot safer not having a little pee bottle in your pocket if you got searched. They are not watching your dick, they are watching that your actually peeing, so having something that resembles a penis, and squirts liquid - its pretty freaking legit, unless they are holding onto your balls when your giving a sample.



Other than that - if your looking for what substances to use, Kratom is legit. Salvia also isn't testable - but thats not something I would recommend to people because it isn't really fun at all.

The easiest thing is to actually be clean, you wont be worried, lose sleep, be paranoid, and its cheaper than doing drugs - and if you really have a problem, you'll be more healthy if you clean up, depending on what drugs you do. I am sure you can do it, especially if your motivated by not going to jail for an extended stay.


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Re: Probation tips [Re: Angel_Above]
    #23542526 - 08/14/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I got probation tomorrow, been going for over 3.5 years


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Re: Probation tips [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23543134 - 08/15/16 07:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I got probation tomorrow, been going for over 3.5 years





no early/half-time dismissal?


that's what's i'm aiming for.  PO already said when the time comes she'd write a positive report to the judge recommending early dismissal


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