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Celestial Traveler
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Have you ever had psychedelic revelations?
#23541960 - 08/14/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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By "psychedelic revelations", I am not asking about philosophical realizations such as that we are all one or whatever. What I mean is that the experience basically told you what the "right path" to take was, pertaining to a real-life matter. Maybe the experience told you what career path to follow, or gave you an epiphany about how to solve a relationship problem.
If you have had a revelation of this sort, did you adhere to the revelation? And if so, did it turn out to be a correct one? Also was the trip itself pleasant or unpleasant?
In addition, which psychedelic substance did you use?
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mctaveesh
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I've had those kinds of lessons, or "revelations" on LSD, 2CB, Mushrooms and DMT... Hell even MDMA taught me something very specific.
I would place mushrooms and DMT in a different category as far as the kinds of Revelations I got for myself personally because on those two it's always worked a little different for me.
2CB and LSD both showed me things during the trips about my own personal mind. They would tell me what I'm doing right or wrong, what I need to stop doing ASAP, what is good about what I'm doing. Basically they pointed directly to my own 'Personal-Psyche'. And they could both be pretty harsh. They could just rail on me for what felt like hours about some shitty things about myself. On 2CB recently the trips had focused a lot on the fact that I judge people very harshly. And that I only do that because I am insecure about myself. It was an obvious lesson. Both 2CB and LSD can leave me with some very hard lessons. The trips aren't always bad though. Almost every time it was a mixture of amazing beauty, and the critical lesson I was taught during the trip. After the trips' over the lesson I learned is stuck in my head and I can see moments in my life for days or weeks after where I can take advantage of what I learned and better myself. But I've had trips on both 2CB and LSD where the entire trip was basically nothing but the Psychedelics telling me everything I do wrong and why I'm such a terrible person, etc... With almost no beautiful, redeeming aspect to the trip at all. (Those were my only 2 'bad trips')
On Mushrooms and DMT it's usually much different. Those two always show me extremely profound things about what it means to be a human being. What it means to be alive, what it means to be living on this planet and in this universe, what it means to be conscious. Very deep things that aren't directly pointing to my own personal mind. More pointing to the universal mind. The earth. The human species. All of that stuff. For me, they don't directly say during the trip: "Hey. Here's you. Here's what's good and bad about you. Here's what you need to fix or change." They give more profound revelations, like: "You're a member of an extremely intelligent species. You have a responsibility for yourself and others. You are part of an intelligent universe."
So the Tryptamines, for me, are always about much more general, profound, deep lessons. Of course, they get to the "personal" stuff too. But it's like that's just a side-effect of the real lessons they teach you. Which in my own opinion, are much deeper and life-changing.
Mushrooms and DMT for me have taught me some harsh things, but the trip always had a very strong optimism about it. Like a force pushing me from behind saying: "You have some things that you need to work out, but you can do it. You can do it. Believe in yourself." So that feeling of optimism always pushed me through the trip even when it got rough. And makes the trips almost always incredibly beautiful even when it's teaching me harsh lessons.
And on MDMA... Well MDMA taught me some things about my relationship with my parents that I changed soon after. The whole experience on MDMA was absolutely euphoric, obviously.
But to be honest. I feel like Mushrooms and DMT teach me everything that other Psychedelics can. They just don't focus on those things. They teach you about your own human-ness, then you come back and fix things yourself with this new understanding you have about yourself. They just take a bigger leap of faith. but it's worth it.
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Mushroom: "Stop drinking" Me: "Good idea"
Mushroom: "Quit gambling" Me: "sure"
Mushroom: "Become a vegetarian" Me: "yeah, that's healthy"
Mushroom: "Pierce your penis with this knife, so the drops of your sacred blood will replenish the earth. You are God" Me: "Now you're being silly"
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Re: Have you ever had psychedelic revelations? [Re: VedicSoma]
#23542102 - 08/14/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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VedicSoma said: Mushroom: "Stop drinking" Me: "Good idea"
Mushroom: "Quit gambling" Me: "sure"
Mushroom: "Become a vegetarian" Me: "yeah, that's healthy"
Mushroom: "Pierce your penis with this knife, so the drops of your sacred blood will replenish the earth. You are God" Me: "Now you're being silly"
Lmao
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Re: Have you ever had psychedelic revelations? [Re: mctaveesh]
#23542108 - 08/14/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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mctaveesh said: I've had those kinds of lessons, or "revelations" on LSD, 2CB, Mushrooms and DMT... Hell even MDMA taught me something very specific.
I would place mushrooms and DMT in a different category as far as the kinds of Revelations I got for myself personally because on those two it's always worked a little different for me.
2CB and LSD both showed me things during the trips about my own personal mind. They would tell me what I'm doing right or wrong, what I need to stop doing ASAP, what is good about what I'm doing. Basically they pointed directly to my own 'Personal-Psyche'. And they could both be pretty harsh. They could just rail on me for what felt like hours about some shitty things about myself. On 2CB recently the trips had focused a lot on the fact that I judge people very harshly. And that I only do that because I am insecure about myself. It was an obvious lesson. Both 2CB and LSD can leave me with some very hard lessons. The trips aren't always bad though. Almost every time it was a mixture of amazing beauty, and the critical lesson I was taught during the trip. After the trips' over the lesson I learned is stuck in my head and I can see moments in my life for days or weeks after where I can take advantage of what I learned and better myself. But I've had trips on both 2CB and LSD where the entire trip was basically nothing but the Psychedelics telling me everything I do wrong and why I'm such a terrible person, etc... With almost no beautiful, redeeming aspect to the trip at all. (Those were my only 2 'bad trips')
On Mushrooms and DMT it's usually much different. Those two always show me extremely profound things about what it means to be a human being. What it means to be alive, what it means to be living on this planet and in this universe, what it means to be conscious. Very deep things that aren't directly pointing to my own personal mind. More pointing to the universal mind. The earth. The human species. All of that stuff. For me, they don't directly say during the trip: "Hey. Here's you. Here's what's good and bad about you. Here's what you need to fix or change." They give more profound revelations, like: "You're a member of an extremely intelligent species. You have a responsibility for yourself and others. You are part of an intelligent universe."
So the Tryptamines, for me, are always about much more general, profound, deep lessons. Of course, they get to the "personal" stuff too. But it's like that's just a side-effect of the real lessons they teach you. Which in my own opinion, are much deeper and life-changing.
Mushrooms and DMT for me have taught me some harsh things, but the trip always had a very strong optimism about it. Like a force pushing me from behind saying: "You have some things that you need to work out, but you can do it. You can do it. Believe in yourself." So that feeling of optimism always pushed me through the trip even when it got rough. And makes the trips almost always incredibly beautiful even when it's teaching me harsh lessons.
And on MDMA... Well MDMA taught me some things about my relationship with my parents that I changed soon after. The whole experience on MDMA was absolutely euphoric, obviously.
But to be honest. I feel like Mushrooms and DMT teach me everything that other Psychedelics can. They just don't focus on those things. They teach you about your own human-ness, then you come back and fix things yourself with this new understanding you have about yourself. They just take a bigger leap of faith. but it's worth it.
I liked your response. The reason I am asking this though is because of a mescaline trip I had several years ago. It taught me more personal lessons than the type of lessons that you say you get from the tryptamines (I know mescaline isn't a tryptamine).
How "correct" would you say your MDMA revelation was?
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I guess the MDMA lesson wasn't as obvious as 2CB or LSD (or probably mescaline) are.
It was like MDMA made me feel really good and confident about myself for a while. I called up a girl I had been sort of talking to, told her I was on MDMA, and then we had a conversation that was very open and honest that I'm glad we had. Then I got clear CEV's at the peak. The CEV's didn't really teach me anything themselves but felt and looked really beautiful. The experience basically left me with a strong Self-Justification.
That self-justification lingered on a couple days. Then on the 3rd day I got the 'After-effects' from MDMA. Interestingly enough, it was during the recovery-period from the MDMA hangover when I felt kind of down and empty when I realized the thing about my relationship to my parents.
While i was in "recovery-mode" I could feel my mind healing back to its' normal state. During the healing period I realized that I was much too distant from my parents and should begin speaking to them at least every once in a while about something that wold not cause us to fight and would brighten their day at least a little bit.
That lesson was undoubtedly 'correct'. And the actions I took after getting that insight were undoubtedly good, correct actions to take.
MDMA taught me in a much less obvious, clear-cut way though. So saying it was 'Correct' is a little bit of an awkward way to put it, but it definitely was. No doubt in my mind.
Also. During the healing period I noticed an increased ability to see things from different viewpoints and solve problems from new angles. Which I think stuck with but. But which you also generally get from all Psychedelics.
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I've followed revelations obtained from mushrooms quite a few times. The information from hyperspace is pretty damn accurate IME.
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Re: Have you ever had psychedelic revelations? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#23542166 - 08/14/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: I've followed revelations obtained from mushrooms quite a few times. The information from hyperspace is pretty damn accurate IME.
Were they concrete revelations pertaining to your personal life (i.e. I should say this to that person, or do this with my life)? Or were they more abstract and philosophical in nature?
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Re: Have you ever had psychedelic revelations? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#23542183 - 08/14/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes. I have had revelations while using cacti about resolving issues about myself. Anger, hate, self loathing. Those revelations and the continued learning process has changed the direction of my life. Im a better person. None of that stereotypical hippie type stuff... I still eat meat and work for a living and am a member of society, I'm just a better person learning to deal with my demons in a new way. The sacred cacti allows me to confront my demons in a literal sense and learn how to move on.
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yes.I learned that im okay. cant adhere
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PrimalSoup said: I've followed revelations obtained from mushrooms quite a few times. The information from hyperspace is pretty damn accurate IME.
Were they concrete revelations pertaining to your personal life (i.e. I should say this to that person, or do this with my life)? Or were they more abstract and philosophical in nature?
No they were concrete and very accurate - played out just as shown. But part of the deal about having and following them is not really being able to discuss in any detail what exactly happened. Or at least I don't want to take that step - this has happened before with mushroom related information.
Sometimes, though, they are physiological (medical), me or other people; sometimes they are psychological - to do this particular thing to solve a particular problem; sometimes they are more general purpose, at other times quite specific and detailed. So I'd yes this kind of thing happens, and it's certainly something you can find lots of corroboration for in shamanic tradition (which is what I consider all of it to be).
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Re: Have you ever had psychedelic revelations? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#23542326 - 08/14/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said: [ But part of the deal about having and following them is not really being able to discuss in any detail what exactly happened. Or at least I don't want to take that step - this has happened before with mushroom related information.
Is the reason why you don't want to discuss it because you feel it was meant to be your secret?
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Re: Have you ever had psychedelic revelations? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#23542331 - 08/14/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Mushrooms totally helped in my drinking and pills intake. It showed me parts of myself that I knew had to change. Not even inshowing visions but more just a way of thinking and analyzing myself.
It can be so personal and you can feel very vunerable at those points so it is hard to talk about. Very private alot of the time.
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PrimalSoup said: [ But part of the deal about having and following them is not really being able to discuss in any detail what exactly happened. Or at least I don't want to take that step - this has happened before with mushroom related information.
Is the reason why you don't want to discuss it because you feel it was meant to be your secret?
No, it's that every time I try to discuss it for some reason I can't. It's happened before, it's like people have to come upon this stuff for themselves, they can't get it by explanation. It's like what I've heard about shamanic tools, you don't ever show them to people or the power leaks out somehow. This is one of those things that just is that way, I can't explain why exactly. Probably it doesn't matter why.
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Sure, all the time. I can't tell if it helps one way or the other.
Mainly it helps when my decision making process is roadblocked. It's much easier to come to a decision and stick to it on psychedelics. I haven't always had the best follow through.
When I have followed through, I am unconvinced about whether the actions/decisions had a good/bad impact. I feel like they've had a lot of good impacts, but I can also think of other times when it didn't matter, or still other times when it had a negative impact. Some have been very good, others have been very bad.
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Re: Have you ever had psychedelic revelations? [Re: VedicSoma]
#23542777 - 08/15/16 02:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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VedicSoma said: Mushroom: "Stop drinking" Me: "Good idea"
Mushroom: "Quit gambling" Me: "sure"
Mushroom: "Become a vegetarian" Me: "yeah, that's healthy"
Mushroom: "Pierce your penis with this knife, so the drops of your sacred blood will replenish the earth. You are God" Me: "Now you're being silly"
You're supposed to pierce your penis with a stingray spine
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Re: Have you ever had psychedelic revelations? [Re: Mike4aco]
#23542796 - 08/15/16 02:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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5 years ago I started my run on psychedelics, all I can say is that before my first LSD trip which was a bit intense taking 3 hits accidentally rated at 120ug from what was supposed to be "Dali's" not to mention it shook the world underneath my feet... I was a complete asshole to my friends, my family and everyone around me. Something from that moment on just changed in me as I started to see things in another blissful way, I am completely unimaginably ashamed of who I was, which until today 5 years later I find myself beating myself up for my past, it completely changed me into who I am today and I'm in awe for psych's for what they've thought me.
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Re: Have you ever had psychedelic revelations? [Re: psilosalvia]
#23543052 - 08/15/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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yes and I believe now that while some of them can actually be true and from a higher existence
most of it is just drug induced mania, I've had it convince me I was an angel, a girl I liked was an angel etc. etc.
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Revelation is a strange word to use if you are talking about mundane stuff like careers and relationship problems, seeing as the wikipedia definition is also perfectly possible while you are tripping:
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the revealing or disclosing of some form of truth or knowledge through communication with a deity or other supernatural entity or entities
In terms of personal stuff, I find that the beginning of a mushroom trip can often involve a lot of personal introspection where I get a clear perspective about what I should do about a particular personal or relationship issue. This part of a trip is usually uncomfortable for me and there is a sense of "uncomfortable truths" being revealed. It's also good for getting a kind of disconnected, external viewpoint on your life.
There is also the more manic kind of personal revelations I can get during the main part of a trip (although to be honest if the main part of a trip is dwelling on real life then I'm pissed off because the trip is too weak to get the point where real life is an irrelevance). These can be more delusional, such as crazy business ideas that would never work, although I do get some very interesting "out of the box" thinking going on and I think you could use this stuff to generate interesting ideas in a business context....
Often I think to myself: "of course, yes, this idea will solve all my problems!" which it never does.
I'd say overall some of the more introspective "mushroom advice" is actually quite sensible, but the plans laid down in the main part of a trip would be hard to follow because it's giving me suggestions that would only be realistic if I could carry on my "tripping personality" into my real life. Just as you can't maintain a drunken bravado when you are sober, I can't live life in the kind of manic state that would be required to implement some of these ideas....
I think shrooms are good for reflection and giving you ideas, but not necessarily a big help when it comes to achieving stuff in real life, because the grind of daily life and work is pulling you in the opposite direction, where you have to take on a very non-psychedelic persona just to get through the working day.
In fact, I think shrooms are best for achieving a sense of inner peace which enables you to drop the pretence that by changing a few insignificant things your life would suddenly dramatically improve.....so maybe its a kind of internal change that they help you to implement.
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Re: Have you ever had psychedelic revelations? [Re: mctaveesh]
#23543353 - 08/15/16 09:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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mctaveesh said:
On Mushrooms and DMT it's usually much different. Those two always show me extremely profound things about what it means to be a human being. What it means to be alive, what it means to be living on this planet and in this universe, what it means to be conscious. Very deep things that aren't directly pointing to my own personal mind.
Ya I found the reevaluations and epiphanies on mushrooms to be not so personal, a lot of people regard mushrooms as being one of the most introspective psychedelics but for me I was way too small and unimportant for the mushrooms to focus on me in particular. The mushrooms seemed to have much bigger things to deal with. It was almost like "we don't have time for you but look at all this!"
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