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200 ug vs. 300 ug
    #23541829 - 08/14/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm curious, what's everyone's opinion on the difference between 200 ug vs 300 ug LSD trips? Do you feel there's a sizable gap in effects (visual, duration, headspace, etc.)  between these doses?

There's a reddit thread about this, but it's not that great. Thanks for responses in advanced!


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: DabsAndTabs]
    #23541996 - 08/14/16 07:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If you can confirm that it is LSD, because when you're buying a blotter today.. You can never be sure of its contents 100%.

Then I'd say that for me 150~200ug would be a full on trip, while on 300ug I would get ego-death and probably the visions would get more "cartoony".


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: psilosalvia] * 1
    #23542131 - 08/14/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't know if the guy dosed the tabs too much, but 300ug made me lose myself. I've never been so out of control when I did 300 ug, and I have done quarter shroom trips in the past.

200 ug is my sweet spot.


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: Kinshino]
    #23542611 - 08/15/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I've taken 300 ug on a few different occasions. Most notably for me are the OEVs get intense at 300 mics. I've yet to experience ego death, it's interesting to see folks mention it at that dose.


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: DabsAndTabs]
    #23542629 - 08/15/16 12:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

300ug is a really solid dose. Ive had massive oevs and cevs on doses that high. Ive experienced ego dissolution on that much but usually took around 500ug to destroy me haha. Id like to venture that high again.


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: DabsAndTabs] * 1
    #23542655 - 08/15/16 12:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I've yet to experience ego death, it's interesting to see folks mention it at that dose.



I feel like mindstate, environment, and how often you trip can make some amazing stuff happen at low doses!  Ego death in itself is not that wild for me though.  It's kind of expected with lsd in general. 


There is definitely a noticable difference in effects from 200ug to 300ug.  As others have said, it's rare for a single tab to actually be dosed that high.  People lie about dosages all of the time. 

My sweet spot is actually over 500ug, but I'm a strange character, and have eaten alot of lsd.  My reccomendation is to always start small, and work your way up. I actually have been taking the longest break from tripping since I first started.  I can't wait for my trip!  It's always so mind blowing when it's been awhile.  I considered taking 300ug, to blow my mind, but not risk having a bad time.  I think I'm actually going to take over 500ug, and dive into the deep end!


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: bigbitch]
    #23542672 - 08/15/16 12:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I guess I'm giving myself kinda a strict definition on ego death. Yeah mental dissolution is for sure a given. I like to think I have a strong mental fortitude, so it's gonna take a high level of shrooms or at least 500+ ug to send me into full blown ego death.

I actually think LSD + K sent me into that state one time, but that could argued I was in a k-hole...

Im contemplating my next trip this coming weekend to be 300 ug. My girl wants to do somewhere between 150-200 ug. Hence my curiousity.

bigbitch, I can relate! I just got back into the psychedelic swing of things after a 3 year hiatus! My latest trips have been spectacular! This will be the largest one since coming back and our final trip til late fall / winter.

Thanks for the responses so far everyone! :vibin:


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: DabsAndTabs]
    #23542693 - 08/15/16 12:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Always gets ego-death on 300ug+,
Individual to me maybe.. And I think that after the first time you experienced it you realize you just need to let go completely and it can be utterly beautiful , like being a little innocent kid again, which i think is one of the best perks of LSD :smile:


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: DabsAndTabs] * 1
    #23542714 - 08/15/16 01:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah it may just be your perceived definition of ego death.  I like to think of ego death as just losing your ego.  You lose your pride, you realize all humans no matter how negative some can be, have the ability to change or open their mind. (whether they do it or not)  You don't feel as if you're better than anyone.  You may be able to tap into your love for animals.  You may think about how we all come and go the same way.  I sometimes think about how we are part of the earth.  We come and go as carbon.  Astronauts have to take the earth with them in a space shuttle to survive (oxygen, food, water, etc.) Like the poster above said, it's like being a kid again! 

My hiatus has only been, just short of a year.  I think it's been long enough though!  I bet your first trip coming back after 3 years was earth shattering!  That's kind of why I want to dive into the deep end, because my mind may never be primed like this again!  Even though K is unhealthy, I love the mix of K and lsd!  Great combo.


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: bigbitch]
    #23543293 - 08/15/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

300ug has been where i've liked to go recently. There is a big difference between 200-300ug imo. But I never get ego death at 200. 300 It happens to me every other trip I have I feel tho ;p It all boils down to how far I wanna go that night.


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: AVShroomer]
    #23543860 - 08/15/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah besides cannabis, LSD is my favorite substance. There's so much to learn about ourselves and L can be the key to unlocking truly profound thoughts & experiences!

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I think I'll be taking 3 hits of my WoW this weekend. I know for a fact they're solid doses so I'm pretty excited to be diving into deeper waters again!


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: bigbitch]
    #23544138 - 08/15/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah it may just be your perceived definition of ego death.  I like to think of ego death as just losing your ego.  You lose your pride, you realize all humans no matter how negative some can be, have the ability to change or open their mind. (whether they do it or not)  You don't feel as if you're better than anyone.  You may be able to tap into your love for animals.  You may think about how we all come and go the same way.  I sometimes think about how we are part of the earth.  We come and go as carbon.  Astronauts have to take the earth with them in a space shuttle to survive (oxygen, food, water, etc.) Like the poster above said, it's like being a kid again! 

My hiatus has only been, just short of a year.  I think it's been long enough though!  I bet your first trip coming back after 3 years was earth shattering!  That's kind of why I want to dive into the deep end, because my mind may never be primed like this again!  Even though K is unhealthy, I love the mix of K and lsd!  Great combo.




That's not what ego death means. Words have definitions, you know? You can't just make up your own definitions to words because you like them better.


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: healing]
    #23544279 - 08/15/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What does it mean?  That's how I always perceived it.


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: bigbitch] * 2
    #23544465 - 08/15/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Ego as in id, ego and super ego, where ego is the interface between the id, your desires, and the superego, your sense of morals. Basically the ego is the self. Ego death, then, is when you are no longer able to differentiate between yourself and your environment. Your personality ceases to exist and you become a part of your surroundings, or the universe as a whole. This means that you no longer have any perception of time, or space. You do not know who you are, what you are, you do not remember that you have taken a drug because you don't know what drugs are, because you cannot differentiate between individual objects. So you can't tell the difference between animals, and plants, and inanimate objects because animals, and plants, and inanimate objects are all one big thing of which you feel deeply a part.


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: DabsAndTabs]
    #23544726 - 08/15/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Colors more radiant and definitely more melting and ripples, the overall experience becomes more hyperdimesnional and surging for me and things seem more alien. More trancelike

The difference between 100 to 200mics for me though is MUCH bigger than the difference between 200 and 300.
With LSD I have to pass a certain threshold and for me that threshold is around 200 micrograms. It's pretty much like a "breakthrough" at that point in that it feels almost like a different drug and the effects are very very different.

Low doses of LSD (doses below 150ug) for me are usually just a dramatic change in perception, there's nothing really hyperdimensional until I hit the 200ug mark. The experience completely changes.
The difference between 200 and 300 though isn't as dramatic but still notable.

Usually takes 400 or 500 mics for me to get ego death however.


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23544856 - 08/15/16 06:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

can you describe the difference in 100ug and 200ug trips? And that is typically between 1 and 2 tabs right? I am going to be doing my first LSD trip soon so I am just trying to understand as much as I can. And take different peoples experiences into account.


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: Noobtrip]
    #23545084 - 08/15/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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can you describe the difference in 100ug and 200ug trips? And that is typically between 1 and 2 tabs right? I am going to be doing my first LSD trip soon so I am just trying to understand as much as I can. And take different peoples experiences into account.




I've tripped with some friends on their first LSD trips which was never over 120ug, and most of them say in retrospective that it's just as doing a slight bigger dose they're doing now, you should expect the change in the surrounding feeling, a little anxiety and some bright colors, with some people waves and ripples, sensation merging.

For me 100ug now would be only the "body high" with some brighter colors


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: psilosalvia]
    #23545105 - 08/15/16 07:23 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

IME, most recently off of a 100 ug 1p tab with zero tolerance, 100 ug produced the full spectrum of lysegeric goodness! I had visual morphing, breathing, introspective headspace, color enhancement, etc. Nothing overwhelming, but nothing underwhelming that's forsure.



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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: DabsAndTabs]
    #23545290 - 08/15/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Talking about ego death, I wouldn't say that ego death is a result of any specific measured dose. Sure, it's more commonly reported in larger to heroic doses of LSD and mushrooms, but that doesn't mean we should disregard the many reports of its occurrence in normal doses. I've read many reports of ego death and disillusion as a result of, say, 2 gram mushroom trips and 120ug LSD experiences.
To say that ego death is triggered by any dose or controllable factor of environment or mindset is ungrounded because it is such a simply unpredictable thing. Who knows under whose will the ego death experience is conjured... :tongue2:


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: Epistrophy]
    #23545319 - 08/15/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I feel like it really just depends on the individual, but the definition a few posts above is what I consider true ego death.

Throughout my psychedelic usage I've admittedly only done heavy trips, like 7 g mush or 5 strip trips, on a few occasions. None of those has resulted in ego death, but one of my best friends is more susceptible psychedelics and has bridged that gap on only a moderate dose of L during one of our trips together. With that being said, I believe it's a mixture of the dosage level & the individual's psyche that brings out extreme mind states such as ego death.

Mental dissolution of a mild variety is expected though at any level. I think the phrase ego death gets thrown around pretty loosely.


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: DabsAndTabs]
    #23545338 - 08/15/16 08:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

300 Ugs is My SweetSPot, 200ug;s feels a bit under whelming, I lOve  :lsdabc: Me & Some friends eat about 200ug's for them 300ug's for me, YUmmy!:trippinbawelz: Aldo some MDMA:aweyeah: for the candy Flip with No2 for the whole TRip!:seriousthumbsup:Super Stoked Due to It Being the First Time My 2 Best Friends & I will Finally Trip Together :hug::manofapproval:
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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: Noobtrip]
    #23546318 - 08/16/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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can you describe the difference in 100ug and 200ug trips? And that is typically between 1 and 2 tabs right? I am going to be doing my first LSD trip soon so I am just trying to understand as much as I can. And take different peoples experiences into account.




Well you're a first timer so this is where it get's kinda complicated. Because I feel these drugs are significantly stronger the first time you take them since your body is not used to them at all. In other words my first LSD I took 100ug but it FELT like 200ug. Same thing with mushrooms, my first time I had 3.5 grams but it FELT like 4.5 grams simply because it was new to my body. That's the only reason I never recommend eighths to first timers because theoretically it would feel like 4.5 or even 5 grams. I'm pretty surprised no one ever talks about this.

100ug for a first timer should give the whole spectrum of LSD's effects but to someone who's done L even just once their bodies recognize it and 100ug will most likely not do that. As I said before LSD for me is a threshold drug in that once I pass that magical threshold (around 200ug) it's like a totally different drug. I was able to pass this threshold on 100ug my first time but now and after that 100ug can be somewhat underwhelming.

For me now taking 100ug only feels like taking half an eighth; I feel halfway there but not all the way. It can also give me the 'stuck in the waiting room' feeling. 

So I think first timers should take 100ug simply because of the fact that it feels stronger the first time you take it, typically twice as strong if you ask me.


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: healing]
    #23546739 - 08/16/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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You do not know who you are, what you are, you do not remember that you have taken a drug because you don't know what drugs are, because you cannot differentiate between individual objects. So you can't tell the difference between animals, and plants, and inanimate objects because animals, and plants, and inanimate objects are all one big thing of which you feel deeply a part.




hmm.  Well, that is interesting.  Most of the part I quoted, except feeling deeply a part of one big thing, only happens to me while peaking on completely epic doses.  Doses that are so epic that I am having memory lapses and don't remember that part of my trip.  I pretty much always know that I took a drug, and what drugs are, or what animals and plants are. 

Some of the other part of your definition I did not quote, I feel happens to me on smaller doses.  Such as losing perception of time somewhat, or losing your normal personality. 

I googled the definition of ego death as well, and it was so loosely defined, it could almost apply to both of our definitions.

So, I'm not trying to say I'm right. As you said, I kind of did just make up my own definition of ego death.  I thought that was what ego death was though, and now I'm just confused.  None of these ego death definitions from you or google, make complete sense to me.


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: DabsAndTabs]
    #23546764 - 08/16/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm that range, there are largely noticeable differences, ime. It's once you start pushing that envelope a lot more that you have to take bigger and bigger leaps.

Think of it as increasing in altitude.
When you're off the ground, you're off the ground. Then how high up are you and how does it compare to lower heights? 100ft, 200ft, 300ft, 1000ft... Once you're beyond orbit it takes a larger increase to be a noteably different experience.


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: Into The Woods]
    #23547212 - 08/16/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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can you describe the difference in 100ug and 200ug trips? And that is typically between 1 and 2 tabs right? I am going to be doing my first LSD trip soon so I am just trying to understand as much as I can. And take different peoples experiences into account.




Well you're a first timer so this is where it get's kinda complicated. Because I feel these drugs are significantly stronger the first time you take them since your body is not used to them at all. In other words my first LSD I took 100ug but it FELT like 200ug. Same thing with mushrooms, my first time I had 3.5 grams but it FELT like 4.5 grams simply because it was new to my body. That's the only reason I never recommend eighths to first timers because theoretically it would feel like 4.5 or even 5 grams. I'm pretty surprised no one ever talks about this.

100ug for a first timer should give the whole spectrum of LSD's effects but to someone who's done L even just once their bodies recognize it and 100ug will most likely not do that. As I said before LSD for me is a threshold drug in that once I pass that magical threshold (around 200ug) it's like a totally different drug. I was able to pass this threshold on 100ug my first time but now and after that 100ug can be somewhat underwhelming.

For me now taking 100ug only feels like taking half an eighth; I feel halfway there but not all the way. It can also give me the 'stuck in the waiting room' feeling. 

So I think first timers should take 100ug simply because of the fact that it feels stronger the first time you take it, typically twice as strong if you ask me.




Thanks this was very helpful. I am going to try my best to find some quality tabs. And of course I'm going to test them. My girl friend  and my life is way more important. I been talking to the guy I am buying from and he don't know shit. (didn't lay them himself). So I'm working on a more reliable source also. Stay tuned for my trip report. Cant wait!


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: Noobtrip]
    #23547686 - 08/16/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Stay tuned for my trip report. Cant wait!




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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23548112 - 08/16/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Its mind and mindset. I have a acid tolerance, usually dose once every week or two. I seem to taking more tabs, and it doesnt seem to get very much stronger. The visuals get stronger, but its like you just get used to the effects. 500UG this last weekend felt pretty similar to my first 200ug+ exp, minus the visuals being a bit more intense and the mindfuck a little harder.


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: LSDollar]
    #23548179 - 08/16/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'll be taking 300 ug and my girlfriend will be taking 200 ug on Thursday. We'll see how the trips stack up compared to each other. Our recent 100 ug trip together yielded similar experiences!


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: DabsAndTabs]
    #23549554 - 08/17/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I've taken 300 ug on a few different occasions. Most notably for me are the OEVs get intense at 300 mics. I've yet to experience ego death, it's interesting to see folks mention it at that dose.




For me 5-7 =  Ego Death
Ego death is sometimes pleasant , sometimes quite unplesant.

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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: DabsAndTabs]
    #23549693 - 08/17/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

For me with ALD52 and 1P-LSD, the sweet spot is near 200ug, and 300ug is an almost uncomfortably strong experience (but not an ego death experience).


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: nooneman]
    #23550691 - 08/17/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

300ug is my sweet spot. Normally I am able to hold my shit together. Set and setting makes the differences sometimes.
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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: nooneman]
    #23550848 - 08/17/16 06:52 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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For me with ALD52 and 1P-LSD, the sweet spot is near 200ug, and 300ug is an almost uncomfortably strong experience (but not an ego death experience).




How would 300ug of ALD-52 compare to 300ug of LSD?

I feel like ALD-52 would feel closer to real LSD than 1P but I don't know.


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23550899 - 08/17/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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For me with ALD52 and 1P-LSD, the sweet spot is near 200ug, and 300ug is an almost uncomfortably strong experience (but not an ego death experience).




How would 300ug of ALD-52 compare to 300ug of LSD?

I feel like ALD-52 would feel closer to real LSD than 1P but I don't know.



I've never had ALD 52 but 1p is very similar to good ole LSD 25. 1p in my opinion has a quicker come up and the trip felt a bit shorter compared to the tradition stuff.


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: DabsAndTabs]
    #23550942 - 08/17/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

How long does 1P last? Like 8 to 10 hours?

LSD for me usually lasts 10 to 12 hours


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23550974 - 08/17/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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How long does 1P last? Like 8 to 10 hours?

LSD for me usually lasts 10 to 12 hours



Based off a 100 ug trip, yeah. 50 ug was 7ish.


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    #23551037 - 08/17/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

200 micrograms of LSD will leave a pattern crisscrossing through my vision as if etched into the air, the pattern may go on forever even though the farthest wall in the room is only ten feet away. My body feels electric and i can feel static around myself and everything. I can see static and energies coming off or going into things. I wont be able to talk, or make words make sense coming out of my mouth. My brains tricked me into believing ive had full on conversations with people all night but never actually said a word
complete color replacement of everything, possibly extremely raipdly. Periods of calms and cools and other times it feels as If your going to have a heart attack. At some points my vision has gone partly black leaving me only a small window of space is my vision to see the real world. Every breath you take will feel like three because everything's vibratiing so rapidly. You'll become aware of your major bodily functions and feel everything doing its job. You may be able to see these functions happening in other people as if there skin isn't even there, as well as their mind pouring out of their head as if you were in it. If you look at the stars each one will be connected by rays of light to each other star, of the most beautiful and vibrant colors ever seen. You'll be able to see the depth of the sky and even furthur into it because of the size of your pupils.

300 micrograms comes on hard and fast, almost like a firework going off in your head. And once before you even start peaking you'll be wondering if you should be coming down yet because of how long its been, only to realize you have another 9 hours to go. Once you start peaking you'll have a hard time seeing through the flash of light strobing from seemingly inside your eyeballs, and bouncing off of twenty mirrors before the light make sit out, or oops I mean into your eyeballs, if you believe its coming from out there and not from within. It will seem as if everything that is anything that ever lead up to anything then this is fucking it, the most intense build up of the feeling of life and love flowing through you, truly feeling alive, feeling nothing but life force and love penetrate into the very core of every atom that makes up yourself and then sending it into the world around us, at the first peak, within the peak I am completely gone, usually slipping back in time, Ill make it 100 years forwards or backwards in time, living past lives, or future ones. Ive even seen the way in going to die in this body, along with every second of this life and the four before this one, I saw it, I was there, I don't remember anything that I saw now. But I know I saw it. The rest of the peak consists of me reminding myself I took a drug that is designed to make your brain mess with you in super realistic ways. Contemplating life, aspirations, things I need. To do to better myself or to help others or the environment im in. In a serious almost ass kicking way, but a little less forceful than mushrooms, a lot easier to think on LSD. By the 11/12 hour im usually still seeing colors way more vibrantly with tracers. And will until I fall asleep, even if I don't sleep for the next day I dont feel fully down until I sleep.

The more LSD i eat the furthur back in time I slip. I got dosed super hard one night 3500~ish micrograms and i went so far into the future I ended up in the past and got reborn into my life im living now up until the point I got dosed and started tripping, went around that circle for a while.


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: whitelights]
    #23551045 - 08/17/16 07:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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i went so far into the future I ended up in the past




Now THAT'S tripping


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: healing]
    #24484104 - 07/14/17 11:48 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Is this really what happens to most people when they achieve ego death?

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Ego as in id, ego and super ego, where ego is the interface between the id, your desires, and the superego, your sense of morals. Basically the ego is the self. Ego death, then, is when you are no longer able to differentiate between yourself and your environment. Your personality ceases to exist and you become a part of your surroundings, or the universe as a whole. This means that you no longer have any perception of time, or space. You do not know who you are, what you are, you do not remember that you have taken a drug because you don't know what drugs are, because you cannot differentiate between individual objects. So you can't tell the difference between animals, and plants, and inanimate objects because animals, and plants, and inanimate objects are all one big thing of which you feel deeply a part.




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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: Ant89]
    #24484167 - 07/15/17 12:19 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Pretty much, except the becoming your environment thing though. That doesn't always happen.


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #24484285 - 07/15/17 01:31 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

If you have no tolerance, I would not advise over 400 ug, I did take 20,000 micrograms once.. hell of a ride


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: thelastoneleft]
    #24485080 - 07/15/17 12:48 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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If you have no tolerance, I would not advise over 400 ug, I did take 20,000 micrograms once.. hell of a ride



What? So you're saying you took 20,000 ug? All at once? Dude thats like 200 hits of good LSD....


????

And 400 ug (4 hits) is a monstrous dose for someone who has never taken acid before


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: Ant89]
    #24485408 - 07/15/17 03:23 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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What? So you're saying you took 20,000 ug? All at once? Dude thats like 200 hits of good LSD....


????

And 400 ug (4 hits) is a monstrous dose for someone who has never taken acid before





Yeah I don't really get this guy's reasoning. Where did he get this 400ug number from if he was drawing conclusions from his "20,000ug" trip?


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: Ant89]
    #24485496 - 07/15/17 03:56 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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If you have no tolerance, I would not advise over 400 ug, I did take 20,000 micrograms once.. hell of a ride



What? So you're saying you took 20,000 ug? All at once? Dude thats like 200 hits of good LSD....


????

And 400 ug (4 hits) is a monstrous dose for someone who has never taken acid before





my first and last dose of LSD was 600ug... I was naive and thought it was weak acid since one tab did nothing to me the first time I tried it...  I upped it to two tabs, they were 300ug each... the reason I didn't feel it the first time was because I had taken shrooms a day before and had a cross tolerance and also there was xanax taken inbetween..

reading peoples posts in this thread has made me feel better as I really haven't talked to many people with experience about this and now I see people who take it a lot saying 300ug is a lot for the first time, 400 etc. and im like yeah no shit man... Ive never had ssuch a feeling of "dont tell anyone this shit, or else" like lsd gave me... just way deep i wont say too deep.. but maybe... because i will never take lsd again.. ive thought about trying a small dose and its just pointless... I would love to see colors and fun stuff but thats just... I shot way past that on my first go and I just feel like Ill never need to to do that stuff again. 

im convinced if you take enough lsd, youll go through what i did... as if theres like a dmt dose to lsd, where people discard the subjective color change reports and come back with the same exact narrative... there is some quote that goes you cant mess around with lsd for long without dealing with jesus.... that would be part of the narrative if it exists


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #24486296 - 07/15/17 11:41 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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What? So you're saying you took 20,000 ug? All at once? Dude thats like 200 hits of good LSD....


????

And 400 ug (4 hits) is a monstrous dose for someone who has never taken acid before





Yeah I don't really get this guy's reasoning. Where did he get this 400ug number from if he was drawing conclusions from his "20,000ug" trip?




Lil' over your vice to note. Was over 200 hits, two sheets of WOW and half a vial,  you're not going to be able to contradict myself, unless you have taken a trip that high of a dose. I believe I was drawing a comparison to the O.P


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: thelastoneleft]
    #24486299 - 07/15/17 11:43 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Ever take a dose worth 3 grand?


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: thelastoneleft]
    #24486314 - 07/15/17 11:52 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

It still doesn't make sense regardless.

How can you use a 20,000 microgram trip to make a point about how someone shouldn't take "over 400" because those two doses have nothing to do with each other.
It's not that you contradicted yourself it's just that you are drawing a conclusion about a particular thing with something else that isn't even related to that thing. Your post has 2 statements that are seemingly unrelated.


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #24486332 - 07/16/17 12:02 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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It still doesn't make sense regardless.

How can you use a 20,000 microgram trip to make a point about how someone shouldn't take "over 400" because those two doses have nothing to do with each other.
It's not that you contradicted yourself it's just that you are drawing a conclusion about a particular thing with something else that isn't even related to that thing. Your post has 2 statements that are seemingly unrelated.




Tolerance. I may have read the main O.P wrong, healthy debate never bad.


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: thelastoneleft]
    #24486355 - 07/16/17 12:19 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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Ant89 said:
What? So you're saying you took 20,000 ug? All at once? Dude thats like 200 hits of good LSD....


????

And 400 ug (4 hits) is a monstrous dose for someone who has never taken acid before





Yeah I don't really get this guy's reasoning. Where did he get this 400ug number from if he was drawing conclusions from his "20,000ug" trip?




Lil' over your vice to note
. Was over 200 hits, two sheets of WOW and half a vial,  you're not going to be able to contradict myself, unless you have taken a trip that high of a dose. I believe I was drawing a comparison to the O.P




What does that even mean


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: Ant89]
    #24486364 - 07/16/17 12:22 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Gaps in dosage..


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    #24486368 - 07/16/17 12:24 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Makes no sense just like a lot of this now...


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: Ant89]
    #24486378 - 07/16/17 12:37 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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Makes no sense just like a lot of this now...




The difference in dosage is like taking an Advil or two


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: Ant89] * 1
    #24486796 - 07/16/17 08:23 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

You can't expect someone who goes overboard with dosing like that to make any kind of sense.


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: Dark_Star]
    #24487211 - 07/16/17 11:58 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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Is this really what happens to most people when they achieve ego death?

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Ego as in id, ego and super ego, where ego is the interface between the id, your desires, and the superego, your sense of morals. Basically the ego is the self. Ego death, then, is when you are no longer able to differentiate between yourself and your environment. Your personality ceases to exist and you become a part of your surroundings, or the universe as a whole. This means that you no longer have any perception of time, or space. You do not know who you are, what you are, you do not remember that you have taken a drug because you don't know what drugs are, because you cannot differentiate between individual objects. So you can't tell the difference between animals, and plants, and inanimate objects because animals, and plants, and inanimate objects are all one big thing of which you feel deeply a part.







that is what happens during true ego death. i've only had it once from dmt. it's not just feeling a oneness with all. you actually will not know your name, or where you are, or what you are, or that you've taken anything at all.


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: thelastoneleft]
    #24487538 - 07/16/17 02:21 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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Makes no sense just like a lot of this now...




The difference in dosage is like taking an Advil or two



Dude your posts make no sense.  Your sentences make no sense. What you are saying isnt even put together correctly which makes no sense at all.

You make no sense


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: theshrumnub]
    #24487726 - 07/16/17 03:47 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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Ant89 said:
Is this really what happens to most people when they achieve ego death?

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Ego as in id, ego and super ego, where ego is the interface between the id, your desires, and the superego, your sense of morals. Basically the ego is the self. Ego death, then, is when you are no longer able to differentiate between yourself and your environment. Your personality ceases to exist and you become a part of your surroundings, or the universe as a whole. This means that you no longer have any perception of time, or space. You do not know who you are, what you are, you do not remember that you have taken a drug because you don't know what drugs are, because you cannot differentiate between individual objects. So you can't tell the difference between animals, and plants, and inanimate objects because animals, and plants, and inanimate objects are all one big thing of which you feel deeply a part.







that is what happens during true ego death. i've only had it once from dmt. it's not just feeling a oneness with all. you actually will not know your name, or where you are, or what you are, or that you've taken anything at all.





i sort of disagree.. in my experiences I still atleast knew I was a human, I could think of my parents my friends.. and I always could go back to the fact that I was on something.. although delusions definitely arised on both occasions regarding the quality of whatever I ingested, on LSD I imagine it being easier for this to happen because theres less chance you have any idea of where it came from and its a piece of paper, that can mean nothing to you when your riding the rings of saturn listening to mars... its easy to convince yourself you fucked up. but thats to an extent still the ego letting go, or a symptom of it dying, its gonna try to reason with you in unbelievable ways... I feel like the only times ive had anything near ego death, each time I tried getting someone to take me to the hospital even with fungi I knew where it came from.. but luckily no one answered me on psilo, and I was forced to go through hell and I changed my life because of it


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: Dark_Star]
    #24488832 - 07/17/17 03:32 AM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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You can't expect someone who goes overboard with dosing like that to make any kind of sense.




you're really going to call any of my ideals as making no sense, one, this is not my original account, and you have agreed with myself on many topics more or less for many years.


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Re: 200 ug vs. 300 ug [Re: thelastoneleft]
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