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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23583015 - 08/27/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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no read the last two posts
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: anthiawe]
#23583022 - 08/27/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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but please how about your answer it this time?
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: anthiawe]
#23583195 - 08/27/16 11:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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crusades vs muslim invasions
Muhammeds wars were defence? right. His monthly Jihad was defensive, because these pieces of garbae attack and play the victem.
also, Japanese buddhism isnt really. The farther east you go the more twisted it gets. The Buddhist texts were written in Pali, the equivilent to ancient Sumerian(Sanskrit)
the west was introduced to Budhissm by German scholars who also twisted it, because the language is very difficult and pretty much dead
the only Pali scholar I had heard talk(a bas le ciel, Eizel Mazard) talks briefly about it, and that Theravata buddhism was what he followed, which is predominant in Thailand, Myanmar, and Laos
people also sometimes act with inconsistancy toward their ethics
The Japanese are Zen Budhhists, and that philosophy was easilly twisted to allow them to dive their lanes into Americsn ships as theey began loosing the war
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the crusades were aggressive, a jihad is defensive. i'm not saying one is worse than the other. they have both had aggressive histories, so does secularism. its about securing power for those who are chasing it, whether its muslims wanting it, atheists, or chirstians.
Islam didn't come to sub-saharan africa with battles. he has also lumped in political wars of numerous different civilizations. And when they are aggressors its not a jihad, so his very understanding of terms within islam is faulty. also slaves were mostly taken from the balkan areas, at least during the ottoman rule - but he has lumped in numerous civilizations with muslims as some kind of Islamic collective that doesnt exist - thats like saying the Biritsh and the US are the same place because they both are founded on christian principles so anything the US does britain can be blamed for and vice versa.
There is no clash of civilizations going on, as this video portrays. but i do agree that when jihad is brought up the crusades get brought up --neither of which address the issue. who is on the defensive? and given US imperial history i think most can deduce a logical answer that the US has fostered violent resistance. Their powerful media apparatus sways the opinions of the masses with imagery and lies.
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: anthiawe] 1
#23583240 - 08/27/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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the crusades were the defensive one. what you are saying is so dishonest.
the Muslims literally attacked Greek City States
Ive come to the conclusion that you are a lier
the Balkins pushed the Muslims out after centuries of war. The Muslims were why the Carolingian came together. They ccme over and slaughtered Gaulish people
The Muslims mostly raised goats. They would settle next to agreculteral places and let their goats kill the crops, and slowly assymilate the area.
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What Muslims? The ottomans? Arabian? Baghdad?
What were the crusades? Where did the armies go and where were they from?
What your talking about with the goat herding this is the second Arab invasion of north Africa. Where they took the rural areas, not by battle by populating. That was Arabs, the Bedouin cultures, not the ottomans or any other Muslims. They are not a giant collective.
I didn't say Muslims never attacked grease. I'm saying using the term jihadists for an aggressive war is wrong simply because a jihad has to be defensive in order to dictate it as a jihadists other wise Muslims theming wouldn't call it a jihad. Are ya with me or did you get lost again?
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: anthiawe]
#23583369 - 08/27/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yoi are wisting things and mixing in ethnic desegnations to facilitate in your obvious disgusting lies
The crusades were mostly French people, and were a reaction to the Muslems atttacking urope and Jerusalem.
A Muslim is a Muslim. Whatever you want to call it, when Muhammed was banished to Madina, he and his group started by robbing nearby groups. Of course, to them, because they think they are rightious, this is somehow defensive. They are the victems
You didnt loose me. I see what you are doing. You are dishonest. I remember 9/11, islam is easy to understand, as are all the people beheaded in Chop Chop Square in Mecca forthings like blasphomy or doing drugs
Call it what you like, muslems do agress, 9/11 was on them, not us
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so ethnic groups dont exist? The ottomans are an ethnic group?
a shia and sunni and ismaili and sufi and the other denominations are actually the exact same then? they all have the exact same belief and ethnic group oorr ...?
long before 9/11 there was the gulf war, the iran iraq war (US gave iraq full support and lots of weapons), there was the US support for the Shah dictator in Iran, the shooting down of an Iranian passenger jet by the US navy....etc,etc.
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: anthiawe]
#23583430 - 08/27/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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anthiawe said: a jihad is defensive. And when they are aggressors its not a jihad
that is absolutely false, as if you just made the shit up right on the spot
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23583444 - 08/27/16 12:58 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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so youre going with the internal struggle of a jihad then? still waiting for your answer from before.....
its used politically to create fervor for an aggressive war by politicians of muslim countries, but religiously not the case. its like how kings and monarchies aren't allowed in islam yet saudi arabia has a king and monarchy, they change certain aspects of religion for power. like a jihad. so if its used to term aggressive wars its because they are convincing their people of lies so they can have power. Islamic societies are also based on economic classes; another reason that islam is not a big collective threatening the world - divided ethnically, nationally, and by classes - no clash of civilizations.
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: anthiawe]
#23583448 - 08/27/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Islamic scholar Rudolph Peters also wrote that with the stagnation of Islamic expansionism, the concept of jihad became internalized as a moral or spiritual struggle.[71] Earlier classical works on fiqh emphasized jihad as war for God's religion, Peters found. Later Muslims (in this case modernists such as Muhammad Abduh and Rashid Rida) emphasized the defensive aspect of jihad—which was similar to the Western concept of a "just war".[72] Today, some Muslim authors only recognize wars with the aim of territorial defense as well as the defense of religious freedom as legitimate.
from wikipedia
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: anthiawe]
#23583451 - 08/27/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
anthiawe said: What your talking about with the goat herding this is the second Arab invasion of north Africa. Where they took the rural areas, not by battle by populating. That was Arabs, the Bedouin cultures, not the ottomans or any other Muslims. They are not a giant collective.
bullshit, the second invisaion of north africa was immediately following the first and the third immediately followed the second, there was no lapse in time, only changes in leadership over a period of about 150 years
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23583473 - 08/27/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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waiting for you to answer your earlier question...
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specialpeopleclub said: the crusades were the defensive one. what you are saying is so dishonest.
the Muslims literally attacked Greek City States
Ive come to the conclusion that you are a lier
the Balkins pushed the Muslims out after centuries of war. The Muslims were why the Carolingian came together. They ccme over and slaughtered Gaulish people
The Muslims mostly raised goats. They would settle next to agreculteral places and let their goats kill the crops, and slowly assymilate the area.
The crusades were defensive?

Why is it so hard to accept that religion is bad for people? Oh no. Allllllll the other 4000 religions are bad for people but Christianity is okay...
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: anthiawe]
#23583481 - 08/27/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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"ATIMID EGYPT (969-1171) In a repeat of the pattern that followed the institutionalization of Ummayyid rule, reform movements developed to challenge Abbassid rule. After reformers expelled the Abbassid governor in Yemen in 901, other reformers established a rival caliphate among the Berbers in Tunisia in 908. Their movement spread eastward, overthrew the Abbassid governor in Egypt in 969 and created the Fatimid Muslim state which lasted until the 12th century.
The first Fatimid caliph, Al-Mu'izz, established his capital in Egypt in 973. He chose a site next to the Abbassid capital of Fustat, which was located next to the former Byzantine fortress of Babylon and just downriver from the ancient Egyptian capital of Memphis near Giza, site of the Great Pyramid. The caliph called his new capital al- Khaira, or Cairo.
Later Fatimid caliphs established the University of al-Azhar in Cairo, and by the 11th century, the Cairo- based Fatimids were more powerful than the Abbassids in Baghdad. The Fatimids briefly occupied Baghdad in 1056 and captured Jerusalem in 1098, only to lose it the following year to soldiers of the First Crusade. To protect their western flank, the Fatimids encouraged nomads from the Arabian peninsula (ethnic bedouin groups led by the Bani Hillal and Beni Sullaim) to cross the Red Sea and invade northwest Africa. The bedouins began to arrive in the mid-11th century."
so who are the fatimids? who are the Abbasids? are they just leaders changing power?? ooorrr....?
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23583482 - 08/27/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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He's just the Muslims... Convinced HIS religion is the one true religion.
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: anthiawe]
#23583489 - 08/27/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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anthiawe said: waiting for you to answer your earlier question...
I'm waiting on an answer to it as well since I am the one that asked it
I also know I wont ever see an answer because that simple question is apparently far too difficult
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: koods]
#23583496 - 08/27/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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so is secular american expansionist ideology also bad? they are aggressive without religion? i think its something to do with power than just religion. religions had a lot of power in europe at times and killed, secular ideology reigns in europe and north america now and there are armies of theres throughout the globe. killing. power or religion? thoughts...?
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: anthiawe]
#23583503 - 08/27/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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i believe i mentioned power dynamics, if you cant read the full message earlier well go back. please, enlighten me, why did the US invade Iraq?
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23583506 - 08/27/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: The crusades were defensive?
they were as defensive as every single other war
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Why is it so hard to accept that religion is bad for people? Oh no. Allllllll the other 4000 religions are bad for people but Christianity is okay...
some religions are good for some people but your religion is bad for me
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