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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: anthiawe]
#23582667 - 08/27/16 07:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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its strange that in all of those countries the muslims areas face threat from western (sometimes south african) mining companies which benefit the nation state....philippeans has the national resistance army, the state uses their military to secure mineral zones for a myriad of western mining companies. religion is then used to foster resistance against this type of political game. there needs to be a full understanding of their social and political contexts before saying that Islam is bad. I have personally seen this in Ghana, where i went to university, where villages are torn up by chinese, american, and canadian mining companies who dont clean up anything and poision the rivers and leave everyone will skin diseases, and the state gets violent resistance and uses their military to put down and their media the slander them as a violent group of people out for greed.
hahaha... such horse shit. we went into afghanistan and Iraq and liberals were saying it was for oil, the oil we were pulling from Iraq was lower than before the war which at that time was only 4% of their production and as for afghanistan, they dont even produce oil. oh and as soon as surveyors found huge lithium deposits the nutter liberals said that's why we went to afghanistan because we wanted to rob them of all their lithium but a chinese company got the mining contract and US companies werent even allowed to bid on it because US companies arent allowed to bid on the natural resources of contries we are in conflict with
what US companies are allowed to do is get some of that government cash used to build, rebuild and upgrade the infrastructure, no, haliburton wasnt in Iraq drilling for oil, they and other contractors were in Iraq cleaning up oil spills as well as building roads, upgrading the electrical grid, water systems, rebuilding homes, schools, businesses and government buildings so all the trillions you believe were wasted in bombs, nearly 3/4 of it was actually spent improving the country's infrastructure. did you know that every time a doog was kicked in looking for insurgents the family of the home was paid $10,000 and a construction crew was sent to repair the door and other damages
so you went to school in a country where the nation allowed foreign mining operations to pollute, I'm betting the government of the poor nation of Ghana were more than happy to suggest a fee to look the other way which shows an inherent flaw in your thinking and in the government of a poor, undeveloped nation
the reason so many say that islam is bad is because you have a large portion, still a minority because it's less than half, but enough to outnumber the population of the US, that are radicalized, Quran thumpers that will use violent means to achieve their goal of converting you to islam and those that arent radicalized dont seem to care what the others are doing
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23582681 - 08/27/16 07:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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aghanistan has a ton of rare earth minerals....lithium most notable.
they (Ghana) dont just allow it acutally, they had to cut government spending because imf and world bank condiotons on loans they they were told were to fix macro econmic instability but in reality they were to benefit western corpoartions....
you seem very unaware of history and the social and political contexts of many countries, perhaps thats the tunnel vision of americans
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: anthiawe]
#23582684 - 08/27/16 07:54 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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all of those infrastructural projects give the US contracting companies plenty of work but is too specialized to actually do anything for domestic labourers, and its the old mind to port where the infrastructure thats said to be helping the people actually is set up to benefit the extraction of resources..
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23582690 - 08/27/16 07:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Christianity is just as bad as Islam, probably didnt help that they had a 600 year head start but the fact remains.
Well, that's the stupidest fucking thing I've read today, and keep in mind, I've read read some blogs and scrolled FB too
Christianity might have its whacko extremists, but there certainly isn't whole Christian fucking armies terrorizing entire fucking countries...
Regardless, just because it isnt happening as much now doesnt erase Christianity's death toll.
That's idiotic, the crusades happened centuries ago, are you really gonna chastise an entire religion based on something that happened hundreds of years ago?
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: anthiawe]
#23582702 - 08/27/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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this isn't a liberal vs. republican thing...there are actual events taking place. US aggression creates violent backlash. muslims aren't the aggressors and if they are its their government, who are supported by the US. all of the conflicts around the world are on others borders, not the US. closer to china, closer to russia, closer to all of the middle east. why? because US foreign policy is imperial. the liberal vs republican thing enters when political parties twist the actual events to suit their interests. if we could all just ignore what they say and look at whats happening neither side is ok they are both fucked. the left has more accurate critiques but their solutions are always state control, the right forgets facts and their solutions are corporate control.
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The Ecstatic said: Christianity is just as bad as Islam, probably didnt help that they had a 600 year head start but the fact remains.
Well, that's the stupidest fucking thing I've read today, and keep in mind, I've read read some blogs and scrolled FB too
Christianity might have its whacko extremists, but there certainly isn't whole Christian fucking armies terrorizing entire fucking countries...
Regardless, just because it isnt happening as much now doesnt erase Christianity's death toll.
That's idiotic, the crusades happened centuries ago, are you really gonna chastise an entire religion based on something that happened hundreds of years ago?
Umm yes...
If the Nazis were still around 100 years from now would you forgive their crimes simply because theyre a generation or two removed from personal responsibility? They still carry the flag. They still advocate nazism. They still read Mein Kampf regularly. They might not throw Jews en masse into train cars that often, but theyre still Nazis.
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: anthiawe]
#23582803 - 08/27/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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anthiawe said: aghanistan has a ton of rare earth minerals....lithium most notable.
they (Ghana) dont just allow it acutally, they had to cut government spending because imf and world bank condiotons on loans they they were told were to fix macro econmic instability but in reality they were to benefit western corpoartions....
you seem very unaware of history and the social and political contexts of many countries, perhaps thats the tunnel vision of americans
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anthiawe said: all of those infrastructural projects give the US contracting companies plenty of work but is too specialized to actually do anything for domestic labourers, and its the old mind to port where the infrastructure thats said to be helping the people actually is set up to benefit the extraction of resources..
neither of these statements mean a thing unless.... you'd like to show us where the US is taking Iraq's oil and Afghanistan's resources
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hostileuniverse said: That's idiotic, the crusades happened centuries ago, are you really gonna chastise an entire religion based on something that happened hundreds of years ago?
why did the US go to war in Iraq?
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#23582817 - 08/27/16 09:04 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pris you should read a book called Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John (i believe) Perkins
Very insightful
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23582829 - 08/27/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I probably should but I likely will not which is why I ask questions here of those making many statements that they cant seem to answer
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23582926 - 08/27/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1475-682X.2009.00280.x/full
here is an explanation of justification for war with iraq http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1475-682X.2009.00280.x/full
...still dont know how to upload so if you dont have access i'll have to post the whole paper.
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23582938 - 08/27/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: I probably should but I likely will not which is why I ask questions here of those making many statements that they cant seem to answer
Theres an audiobook version on youtube
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23582955 - 08/27/16 10:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Best of Times and the Worst of Times: Structural Adjustment Programs and Uneven Development in Africa: The Case Of Ghana Authors Kwadwo Konadu-Agyemang there is an article that explains structural adjustment in Ghana.
structural adjustment programs happened in a lot of countries as a response to the global debt crisis which came after the rise in oil prices when OPEC countries put their wealth in western banks - they then leant it out to all different countries, whether they could pay back or not. that led to the debt crisis and the establishment of structural adjustment programs from the IMF and world bank.
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: anthiawe]
#23582957 - 08/27/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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anthiawe said: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1475-682X.2009.00280.x/full
here is an explanation of justification for war with iraq http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1475-682X.2009.00280.x/full
...still dont know how to upload so if you dont have access i'll have to post the whole paper.
my question was pretty straight forward and easy to answer without the posting of links to studies that try and explain away the beliefs of people under the guise of 'bush said'
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23582966 - 08/27/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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US is an imperial power, you just dont believe it and then you cant read anything contrary to what you're saying. the answers are there, stop just denying events and read then you might see that you're wrong. you might deny they are after oil, but they are also in a game with Iran, because the US supports Saudi arabia and russia wants to build a pipeline from iran to russia to supply europe with oil - and they are already Europes biggest energy supplier, the US is trying to compete and destabilize so that israel can become the regional power. Iraq is still powerful but now they have invaded and since the invasion they have simply fostered internal conflict to displace their regional power.
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: anthiawe]
#23582973 - 08/27/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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anthiawe said: US is an imperial power, you just dont believe it and then you cant read anything contrary to what you're saying. the answers are there, stop just denying events and read then you might see that you're wrong. you might deny they are after oil, but they are also in a game with Iran, because the US supports Saudi arabia and russia wants to build a pipeline from iran to russia to supply europe with oil - and they are already Europes biggest energy supplier, the US is trying to compete and destabilize so that israel can become the regional power. Iraq is still powerful but now they have invaded and since the invasion they have simply fostered internal conflict to displace their regional power.
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: anthiawe]
#23582979 - 08/27/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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they are destabilizing the region to change power dynamics in thier favor and compete with russian power....fucking read already
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: anthiawe]
#23582988 - 08/27/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23582995 - 08/27/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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how about you answer it this time?
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Re: Racist Muslims at the OlympicsIThe [Re: anthiawe]
#23583006 - 08/27/16 10:22 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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was this your answer? because that looked to me like you said you dont have a fucking clue what the answer is and you just spewed out a bunch of shit to make yourself look intelligent but it certainly didnt answer the question I posed
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the answers are there, stop just denying events and read then you might see that you're wrong
it was a simple question, there probably arent any wrong answers
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